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And we should care what the world thinks....WHY?
 

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JCabranes said:
And we should care what the world thinks....WHY?
Because it is called foreign policies?
 

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"As full of fun facts as the Pew Report is, however, it has a fairly limited scope. Lots of numbers and percentages are bandied about but with very little historical context or explanation."
 

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JCabranes said:
And we should care what the world thinks....WHY?

Are you French? ;)
 

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080617/wl_time/pewsurveywhattheworldthinksoftheus

In my extensive international travels, it is clear that after the initial Bush election folks didn't like Bush, but felt he "stole" the election so they did not blame the American people. After Bush election #2, they pretty much hated Bush and the American people...
Bush squandered our credibility as a nation. He also changed the way the world looks at defence to one of ptevention through attack based on whatever premise one can come up with.
Sadly the two elites (Obama and McCain) who are running for king, will also be war mongers because they are owned by the imperialist corporate machines that rob the rest of the world of their wealth.
 

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BMWphreak said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080617/wl_time/pewsurveywhattheworldthinksoftheus

In my extensive international travels, it is clear that after the initial Bush election folks didn't like Bush, but felt he "stole" the election so they did not blame the American people. After Bush election #2, they pretty much hated Bush and the American people...
Interesting...In my international travels, which I would wager are more extensive than yours, my experience has been quite different. I think your political bias is framing your perception.
 

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If it wasn't for this forum, I dread to think what I would think the American people were like.
This forum has shown me that the US has an amazingly warm and generous group of people.
Contact with people of a nation is always better than relying on the media to form your views.
As I have not spoken to Bush I try hard not to judge him too much. But I sure wish he had never got on with Tony B-Lier
 

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If it wasn't for this forum, I dread to think what I would think the American people were like.
This forum has shown me that the US has an amazingly warm and generous group of people.
Contact with people of a nation is always better than relying on the media to form your views.
As I have not spoken to Bush I try hard not to judge him too much. But I sure wish he had never got on with Tony B-Lier
Thanks, c00k1e, FWIW I like the UK and it's people and two of my cousins were born in Cuba (pre Castro). What the heck do you do in Cuba?
 

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BMWphreak said:
....it is clear that after the initial Bush election folks didn't like Bush, but felt he "stole" the election so they did not blame the American people. After Bush election #2, they pretty much hated Bush and the American people...
A shame we wasted valuable time not being hated right from the beginning. A true badge on honor!
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Bush squandered our credibility as a nation. He also changed the way the world looks at defence to one of prevention through attack based on whatever premise one can come up with....
No more or less than any other recent president....as if, say, Clinton's FAILURE to act didn't bring us just as much discredit?

All politicians are WORTHLESS! Live by the spin (lie), die by it.
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Go tell it to paalao, I don't give a shit!
:histerica Not that we don't love our socialist/communist friends also....
c00k1e said:
If it wasn't for this forum, I dread to think what I would think the American people were like.
This forum has shown me that the US has an amazingly warm and generous group of people....
Well Cookie, I hope you find several other places, besides this one, where you can find out about the true American spirit.
 

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BMWphreak said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080617/wl_time/pewsurveywhattheworldthinksoftheus

In my extensive international travels, it is clear that after the initial Bush election folks didn't like Bush, but felt he "stole" the election so they did not blame the American people. After Bush election #2, they pretty much hated Bush and the American people...
It really does not matter who wins the election because the U.S. is a single party elite driven political machine. I love this country, but I detest what it has become. Our founding fathers must be turning in their graves at the actions of the fascists in Washington DC.
 

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zippy_gg said:
Because it is called foreign policies?
LOL!
Those "Foreign Policy Skills" sure worked (and are currently working) well for Europe the last 100 years or so! :rolleyes: :histerica :histerica
If it wasn't for the "foreign policy" of the United States, all of Europe would either be goose-stepping their way to work in the morning, and/or drinking vodka with every meal today! And don't ever let anyone EVER forget that "little" fact! :dance:
 

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Oisin said:
Our founding fathers must be turning in their graves at the actions of the fascists in Washington DC.
True dat! :mad:
 

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KMC1 said:
....If it wasn't for the "foreign policy" of the United States, all of Europe would either be goose-stepping their way to work in the morning, and/or drinking vodka with every meal today!....
Now, KMC, when you say "goose-stepping" and/or "drinking vodka," do you mean that in a bad way?! :rotf:
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I wouldn't be so quick to paint the founding fathers with a saintly brush; they were every bit as self-serving (if not more) as any contemporary politician/leader....
Now, if they had just thought of socialist security, medicare and medicaid. Then, they would have been the true slave masters!
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Don't that just show the different ways history is taught.
Over here the 'yanks' joined in when it was obvious who was winning - AND they charged us for the privilege of being on the winning side. Oh, and aparently we saved your arses against the Japs....
:rotf: And thank God (oh shit, used evil "G" word) THEY developed and dropped the atomic bomb, also! :histerica
 

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Oisin said:
It really does not matter who wins the election because the U.S. is a single party elite driven political machine. I love this country, but I detest what it has become. Our founding fathers must be turning in their graves at the actions of the fascists in Washington DC.
I wouldn't be so quick to paint the founding fathers with a saintly brush; they were every bit as self-serving (if not more) as any contemporary politician/leader.

The basic tenets of this country have not changed, they have unfortunately been convoluted by elected officials that speak a completely different dialogue after they are elected compared to what they espouse prior to being elected. I place the blame for this country's current condition to the largely ignorant population who elects our "leaders". Vote for the individual who shows the most promise/ability to reshape the USA into what you think it should be. If you are a woman, do not vote for Hillary because she is a woman. If you are black, do not vote for Obama because he has a black lineage, and if you are a Viet Nam vet, do not vote for McCain because he was a Viet Nam POW.

DO VOTE for the best person for the job based on their abilities and qualifications.

As far as the Brits hating us, I think you are greatly mistaken. The Brits are one of the few countries who have stood by the USA through thick and thin. I LIKE the Brits and have great respect for them.

To offer something contrary to your opinion of world opinion, I travelled to Italy a little over one year ago and found much support for the USA from the people we spoke with. In the city of Todi, in the Umbria region, a granite-carved memorial to the victims of the 9/11 attacks is proudly displayed in the town Piazza.

I would hate to see what this world would look like if the USA took the stance of Germany, France, Spain, etc. In today's world, there is no such thing as live and let live. Radicals and extremists throughout certain regions of the world have nothing to lose from their actions and, consequently, become very dangerous. We would be inviting total chaos to sit idly by and do nothing to prevent the progression of anarchy.

My .$02.
 

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jayjacobson said:
Now, KMC, when you say "goose-stepping" and/or "drinking vodka," do you mean that in a bad way?! :rotf:
I guess it really depends on the Vodka..... :)
 

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Thanks, c00k1e, FWIW I like the UK and it's people and two of my cousins were born in Cuba (pre Castro). What the heck do you do in Cuba?
I have been very fortunate to be able to play music with some of the very best musicians of our age. Since the Ry Cooder film with the Buena Vista Social Club I was hooked on Cuban music. I dreamed of playing in Cuba with the old guys who rock more then men a quater of their age.
I first jamed with bands there in 1999 and although never played with members of the orriginal band, have played with friends and relations of them, heard drunken stories about them and their antics and have been honered to have been invited back for festivals and music get togethers by members of bands to play with them.
Their music is never political, it is happy, enthusiastic beat intensive impro/trad mix of the best of africa and spain.
Although there is great distrust of US policiy towards them, they welcome US citizens with open arms (there are ways of visiting btw and I have met many who have gone via Canada to play there)
I so hope the US continues to alow Cuba to make there own future and it never becomes some sort of collage frat part island
 

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I have been very fortunate to be able to play music with some of the very best musicians of our age. Since the Ry Cooder film with the Buena Vista Social Club I was hooked on Cuban music. I dreamed of playing in Cuba with the old guys who rock more then men a quater of their age.
I first jamed with bands there in 1999 and although never played with members of the orriginal band, have played with friends and relations of them, heard drunken stories about them and their antics and have been honered to have been invited back for festivals and music get togethers by members of bands to play with them.
Their music is never political, it is happy, enthusiastic beat intensive impro/trad mix of the best of africa and spain.
Although there is great distrust of US policiy towards them, they welcome US citizens with open arms (there are ways of visiting btw and I have met many who have gone via Canada to play there)
I so hope the US continues to alow Cuba to make there own future and it never becomes some sort of collage frat part island
I have a friend who periodically makes the trip to Cuba, via Mexico (the only "legal" way Americans can make the trip). Boy, does he have some GREAT stories every time he comes back ... sounds like a fun place to vacation.
 
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