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Sorry maybe I was a little unclear

When final drives and gearboxes are failing, what is the variable
they come from the same source have roughly the same exposure
to stress and duration (useage) the only variable as far as I can see would
be the fluid to stop the thing self destructing due to friction and heat.

Maybe as the ad men say 'oils ain't oils'


Cheers Tony
 

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Hi Tony,

First, I think you tried to use that dirty 6-letter A***** word that's been banned around here. :)

Second, it's just not as simple as that. We've taken tons of data on rear drive failures over the years and there really isn't a common factor. We've looked at gear lube weights, synthetic vs dino, one or two-up riding, trailers, high mileage versus low, thrashing twisties versus local or freeway miles, etc. Noting pops up with any sort of statistical significance, except to say that failures have dropped off (but not stopped) on '03 and newer bikes.

Believe me, if it was that simple, we would have figured it out years ago. :)
 

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:)
Thanks Ken,
I'm a newbie to 1200LT also the forum, it good to hear that the failures
are dropping off. Thanks for the feedback.

Tony
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FYI...I have been using Mobile 1 gear oil in the tranny and rear drive on 2 LT's for a total of over 160,000 miles and had no rear drive or transmission problems to date.

Ron
 

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Not possible Ron. Have you not read the WHITE PAPER? You've probably already had failures, you're just not aware of them yet.
 

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Actually, the Mobil 1 tested 2nd overall in the 14 gear oil test, verifying it is a fine product.
 

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meese said:
First, I think you tried to use that dirty 6-letter A***** word that's been banned around here. :)
:wow: Wow, this is the first I've heard of this. I guess I haven't been following the oil threads lately.

:rant:

:think: Perhaps someone can explain how the censorship of a brand name on this site fits in with the claim made in the McNews postings in Chit Chat by an owner of this board that states:

"We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members. The only control we impose on posting in our forums is if there is a violation of our clearly stated site guidelines."

:rulez:

Exactly what section of the site guidelines are being violated by a member when stating the brand name of oil they use or like? If there are individuals violating the site guidelines on commercialism then ban the individual from the site. Banning brand names is total BS, IMHO. :mad: While I agree it may be annoying to repeatedly hear about a certain topic or brand name, singling one out over all the others for censorship does not seem to be appropriate. If one oil brand name is inappropriate then all oil brand names should be inappropriate and treated in the same manner.

:deadhorse

Perhaps the policy makers should enforce sections of the site guidelines that are clearly being violated by members of this site. Like this one for example:

"Search the Archives: Use the forum search feature or one of the major internet search engines BEFORE you ask your next question. Being asked the same old question over and over is very irritating. By not taking the time to search the archives or make a search of other internet resources BEFORE asking the group is like saying, "my time is more valuable than yours, so I'm just going to ask here instead of looking for it myself"."

Why not sensor, as in delete, every question that has been asked at least a hundred times and could easily be answered by following this site guideline or by looking through the technical section of the site. Of course I am being facetious and don't propose anything like this to ever be done. However I see clear grounds for this kind of censorship based on the site guidelines, whereas I can see no clear connection to the guidelines concerning the censorship of a product brand name.

I have to assume that this censorship is the result of the prejudice of some apparently influential person or persons on this site. Individuals whose dislike of a word supersedes the rights of anyone else to use the word.

Either the claim that there is free flow of information between members of this forum is a lie or people who use or like the not to be mentioned product are not considered members of this forum.

I wonder which it is? :stir:

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Quick...somebody buy jwd98056 a sense of humor !! I think Walmart has a 15% off sale on them this week ! :D

Take a big deep breath..now exhale slowly...there you go.

Couldn't figure out where the inner rage was coming from then I saw on the bottom that he also rides a '02 HD FLSTC Custom (JDsHOG). :bike:

Then I realized it must be the residual from the vibrations. :histerica


Calm down I'm just kidding..hey it's Friday ! :dance:


Hey Tim..good to see your still around lurking behind the scenes. Thought that after all the whippings you took that you may have fled the scene leaving behind a pool of FD lube..

I actually found some of your posts interesting and thought provoking, at least in the sense of conducting my own research.

JD..really I'm just kidding....... :cool:
 

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jwd98056 said:
:think: Perhaps someone can explain how the censorship of a brand name on this site fits in with the claim made in the McNews postings in Chit Chat by an owner of this board that states:

"We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members. The only control we impose on posting in our forums is if there is a violation of our clearly stated site guidelines."


I think I can explain: in the not so distant past we have been inundated with hidden Snake Oil ads. Hidden as in "but I only gave advice what I am using/selling" Unfortunately even multiple PM's to this member asking him to loosen up and to quit selling his Snake Oil here were unfruitful. The moderator community then decided to treat A**** as SPAM and it still is. Unfortunately we see it again and again that absolutely unfounded claims are being made, over and over.

This is the reason why one companies Name got inserted into the dirty word list. We are not trying nor did we ever try to stifle the free flow of information. You can still discuss (almost) everything as much as you like. We are just very sensitive to SPAM. And unfounded claims from Snake Oil salesmen *ARE* SPAM.
 

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I use the ****** product line in all my vehicles... very satisfied... yes, JD there are some who attempt to "restrict"....

BTW.. I typed the whole name out a m soil without the spaces between letters.. a m azing
 

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andy said:
I think I can explain: in the not so distant past we have been inundated with hidden Snake Oil ads. Hidden as in "but I only gave advice what I am using/selling" Unfortunately even multiple PM's to this member asking him to loosen up and to quit selling his Snake Oil here were unfruitful. The moderator community then decided to treat A**** as SPAM and it still is. Unfortunately we see it again and again that absolutely unfounded claims are being made, over and over.

This is the reason why one companies Name got inserted into the dirty word list. We are not trying nor did we ever try to stifle the free flow of information. You can still discuss (almost) everything as much as you like. We are just very sensitive to SPAM. And unfounded claims from Snake Oil salesmen *ARE* SPAM.
I for one, thank you for the ban.
 

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I hate censoring or banning as much as anybody.

This particular one in my opinion was long overdue. This forum is for "friendly" conversations, not for monitoring it for any opening to get a pitch for your product in. No matter how beneficial your product may be. In the case of ***** I believe it is an ok product, just not vastly superior to 100's of similar products on the market worldwide as its claimed.
 

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andy said:
absolutely unfounded claims are being made, over and over.

And unfounded claims from Snake Oil salesmen *ARE* SPAM.
What "unfounded claims" were made?
 

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Some interesting posts here, re oils. I am going to use the bad word here as far as this forum is concerned. I have used ****** in everything I own with an engine or almost 10 years, including my K1200LT, my 1200RS in the past and our vehicles. It is an excellent product overall, that is why I am confident in its use. There are other good products out there for sure, there are products not very good that others swear by. I don't know why I or anyone else would try and push their lubricants preference on others. Who cares how well someone cares for their bike? I sure as heck don't, unless I am riding with such an owner on a long trip. This forum is very good with a great deal of excellent information from others experience. It bothers me that somebody may think they have the right to censor information. On the other hand if someone has their head in the sand and thinks ****** is snake oil, let them keep it there. I think BMW makes a very, very good motorcylce. Those who don't are free to buy another brand. Some on this forum appear to not be aware of that.
 

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What "unfounded claims" were made?
Don't take the bait guys... :)
 
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