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I just found this video on youtube by chance. I never heard anybody talking so badly about the LT and he spent a whole 25mns just doing that in this video. While he raises some true points the way he describes the LT being such a bad bike is purely ridiculous in my opinion.. He must have had a bad day with the one he was working on at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxbO7QV067s
 

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This guy's a knucklehead (in the video). Why would anyone take ANY bike to a "professional" like this?
 

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evidently he does not like the LT

perhaps he was asked to leave (or be fired) - seems like he is more upset with BMW than the bike
 

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He's a bmw trained mechanic, who has been involved from the beginning with the LT. As such, he's been through the growing pains with the bike. As a mechanic, we look at stuff differently. We look at issues like how well was something designed initially, and how is it to service or repair when the inevitable time comes. I completely understand his frustration, because you have a company telling you "this is the pinnacle of motorcycle technology" and then you see recurring issues like failing clutches and FD's because of improper setup of poor engineering.

Now let me show how that relates to the non - mechanic consumer, and how it affects resale value.

First, folks who are the original purchaser of the LT fully expect a motorcycle marvel. When the find out it has flaws common to the many of the units, and that they are going to have to pay the mechanic to rebuild said part at considerable expense, the FIRST person to hear the complaining and negotiations for price is the mechanic. As mechanics, that gets old. I mean, we didn't design it, we didn't break it, why are you asking us to fix it and save YOU money, etc...so that builds a resentment towards the vehicle from the mechanic. Kinda like "oh no, not another one of THOSE" because it also means an unhappy customer right from the start.

Second, Resale value. If you consider a comparable GW vs an LT, the GW has a much higher resale value. Is it that superior of a motorcycle? Probably not, but it doesn't have a reputation of blowing the final drive in BF North Dakota and leaving you stranded, either. LT's are bashed internet wide for reliability issues, GW's are not. This causes the LT's to have a low resale value, as original owners dump them for fear of a large inpending failure and repair bill.

Iin my opinion, you will see the LT's being resold until they are in the hands of the "right" person. That's the guy who can maintain and fix his own LT. He doesn't rely on the dealer, except for parts. He comes to internet forums (me, here) and learns all the known issues and fixes, and becomes knowledgeable in his bike. He becomes an enthusiast. The Lt lives on though such owners.

Finally, Chris Harris, from that video, isn't an enthusiast of the LT. he's burned out on what was touted to be the marvel of 2 wheels being no more than any other bike once you get past the slick styling. He's entitled to his opinion, as you are to yours. His, IMO is born from experience, which I have learned is a great teacher. Steve
 

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Hmmm he does raise some good points (e.g. oil filler and sight glass etc are pretty poorly designed), but I'm not sure I'd want to take my bike to a guy who has so much disrespect. Made me wonder if he'd had a brew or two actually. The best mechanic for me is one who knows his stuff (he does seem to so I guess "check" there), tells the truth (largely the tech spec stuff he mentions is accurate except for his fuel economy comments, so 3/4 check there) and respects a machine(fail there) and its owner.

As a marketing exec, I'm not sure what he's expecting to gain from this video - who would take their bike of any brand to someone who comes across as so opinionated that he won't listen (not having met him, who knows whether that's true or not, but customer perception is reality). He's probably trying to impress people with his knowledge, but he's not helping his business, unless of course he doesn't want to be in that business any more. There are better ways to tell his story than this.
 

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He calls it like he sees it and he is entitled to his opinion. Things he didn't knock but could have, IABS, terrible headlight, terrible driver's seat, having to remove the transmission to service the starter or altinator, how easy the bike rolls off the side stand.

Things he said that I don't agree with, poor fuel mileage, poor wind protection, poor windshield. The LT with it's 6 gallon tank will nearly go 300 miles, lets see a Goldwing do that. The fairing on a LT does a very good job of keeping you dry and warm in winter and those little adjustable wings do a great job of directing air onto the rider when it's hot. My windshield at least is very clear and it is stock.

I've watched other videos of his and he displays the same type of attitude toward BMW and how they designed stuff. I usually find him entertaining and he does offer some good advise on how to fix stuff on our bikes.
 
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Any "mechanic" truly capable of informed statements regarding mechanical design should go ahead and get an engineering degree so s/he can actually achieve credibility.
 

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All I hear is more negative BS,
I certainly don't know it all but, I have been some kind of mechanic my whole life,

I worked on everything from motorcyles to million dollar machinery
that had many more millions of dollars of research and development to bring them to market,
and they all had "issues" and design flaws that required "upgrades" and numerous repairs and changes
you could take just about any piece of machinery on the planet,
pick it apart and find design flaws from your basic household toaster to the space shuttle.

If the LT is such a P.O.S. why are there so many riders right here on this forum
that have ridden hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles???

I am so tired of hearing about the final drive,
it has bean beat to death for over ten years now,
sure it's a design flaw, get over it.

We have long ago established that approximately 4% of the earlier (pre- 2005) drives failed,
that means 96% did not,.......hello!!!

even if you have the BMW shop repair it we're talking about a $400 fix,
I spend damn near that on a set of tires a couple times a year.

So.... how many billions did they spend on the space shuttle?
and what was their percentage of failure??
 

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lkchris said:
Any "mechanic" truly capable of informed statements regarding mechanical design should go ahead and get an engineering degree so s/he can actually achieve credibility.
I very rarely take comments on the internet to heart, but I find this to be offensive. I am a mechanic. I have exceptional credibility with anyone I work for, and I do not have an engineering degree. Your statement is truly uninformed. Steve
 

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SilverBuffalo said:
So.... how many billions did they spend on the space shuttle?
and what was their percentage of failure??
I just happened to read the answer to that in "Finding Florida" a very interesting book: Approximate 15 billion a year for NASA over the last 50 years!

OK, back to bashing the LT, my favorite bike up until the K1600...
 

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Ok, I made it to 3:07. Couldn't take it anymore.

First of all this guy's attitude is completely fried, and it makes his entire assessment suspect. He says that the bike, starting with a full tank, nearly ran out of fuel on a 120 mile test loop? Now you know that's complete bull.

But let's back up 1 min; at the introduction of the bike in San Antonio he says he had to endure the "bullshit orating of BMW specialist and fricken corporate pin heads".

How are you going to get an honest review out of this nut case. He'd have more credibility if he just came out and said - here's why I'm so down on this brand, model, etc.

Can't imagine listening to all 25 min of this tortured diatribe.


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I didn't even make it to 3 minutes. I did not see anything that says he is a BMW tech just a tech, hell, I can call myself a tech, I change the oil etc. He referenced how small the tank is..really? Ran out of gas nearly after 120 miles? Really? Mine still has well over half a tank at that point. And a reference point, the first time my LT went into the shop after I got it, I had to show the BMW tech where the load shed relay bolt is on the starter (it was missing) and he was just going to slap in any old bolt he could find to fit. Just because you are a tech does not mean you know what you are doing. That guy just needs to go run flat out at 100 + mph some more and get over it.
 

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Well. He brings up some good points about design flaws. Hell some I've bitched about. But he also is full of it with the Fuel range comment. COME ON!! I get better MPG than a GW. Does the bike have design flaws? Sure . Does a Gold Wing? Sure it does. Does a Victory? Sure.. Show me a machine that's perfect. And I'll show you a Flying Bigfoot. There has never been a bike I owned that didn't have flaws specific to that model bike.But it's in his delivery. He comes off being very bias. Tonight for example. I just had to pull the left side of the fairing off to correct bad wiring and pulled my left Moto light off the caliper to find a broken wire in the jacket wire, and had to slice the jacket open to fix it.. Did I like it? hell no.. But it's like any machine.it has it's quirks. Take the good with the bad.But with some of the trouble I had, I'm still on my LT. Cause I do indeed love it, despite the issues. Would I trade it for a Goldwing?? No.. :cool:
 

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I watched the whole thing and I wanted to slap the guy. I became wary, too, when he said he almost ran out of fuel on a 120 mile loop. I agree with the tuning down of the motor as a mistake. Can't see the reasoning there. The LT is a pain to work on but I still love it. I've been stranded by it in Grand Junction but I bought another one anyway. I fixed it and I rode it some more. I wouldn't trade it for a GW. And I didn't buy it to resell it.................. :D
 

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I watched the whole video just to see what all the fuss was about. I knew I was in for a "treat" when he included this verbiage in his video's caption:

"If the language bothers you... FYYFF! And if you don't know what that means then you truly are among the new Kool-Aid sipping BMW customers that BMWNA was pursuing in 1999."

OK, so if we ignore his language - which I have to assume is his way of injecting sarcasm/humor into his admitted rant - he flat out says he doesn't want to work on these bikes. I'd think as an independent tech that he'd welcome the LT in his shop because it means more labor hours for most maintenance jobs and that's how he makes a living.

Other points aside, I've always thought how instructive it would be to have an official BMW Motorrad rep residing on this site to answer questions about why they designed this or that, or why they did something a certain way. A BMW engineer should be able to slice this rant up into little pieces with facts, design history, and experience... and he should be able to say "yes, we didn't do a good job of XYZ"

Near the end of the video he lists the things that should have been done differently/better. Seems to me all those items exist today on a K1600, so why does he limit his BMW shop to 2004 and older model years? Would he not work on a newer R1200RT, GS, or other models?
 

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The guys delivery "is" condescending. Having said that...he has a few valid points. This is not a common mans motorcycle. If you can't afford to maintain the "greater than mean" frequency of repair...you should purchase something that has a better track record of reliability.
I will say that when everything with this bike is operating properly...it is a pleasure to ride. But if you are a person of limited funds and/or mechanical ability...buy the Honda. Just saying.
 

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...so why does he limit his BMW shop to 2004 and older model years? Would he not work on a newer R1200RT, GS, or other models?
He cant afford to buy the new computer system diagnostic hardware. Honestly with his attitude he probably doesn't get much work and just can not afford to buy new tools.

I know his public rant will drive away a LOT of work, I personally will recommend people stay away from his shop just from his video rant. My first impression is that this guy is not a professional, as he does not act professional.
 

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I'm not getting the attitude, most everything he's saying is correct. By way of apology, I'm wondering what a long term, honest, Harley tech would say about their bikes.

Is it a pig? yeah. Does it have a cowbell for a rear brake? yeah. Do you need a flashlight to check the oil? yeah.

Having worked on it, I'll heartily admit it's a freeking pain in the ass.

I'm happy with, and I love the bike. It's been as reliable as the sunrise. But I cannot fault pretty much all of what he's saying. (at the 20 minute mark)

("and a bike that weighs 900 lbs should have a central vac." I laughed. )
 
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