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I had a strange anomaly the other day with my 2009 R1200RT that just doesn’t make any sense! Did some service work on it 2 days ago, oil, filter, put on the Sahara pegs that’s been laying around for over a year and put in a new PC680 battery as the previous one was near the end of its life. It was a beautiful day out yesterday and I thought it would be nice to grab some lunch takeout and head to the bay to eat with the wife, “Sittin’ on the Dock of the Bay” and watching the tide roll away!!
:b2topic:, I pulled out of the Food Mart, (Wawa), rolled on the throttle through first and second gear, the engine sputtered and died along with all the dash instruments. Coasted to the side of the road in bewilderment! No dash instruments, no engine, no warning triangle. Turned the key off and back on, still no instrumentation/signal lights but the engine started and ran OK. Figured I better return home so I made a u-turn and down the road a few hundred feet everything came on and was good all the way home. It isn’t the battery cause that’s the first thing checked. Is it possible the ignition switch could be the source? Anyone else have anything remotely like this? I didn’t do the TPS as some say it isn’t necessary and I really didn’t think of it at the time. I’ve only owned this for a couple of years so I’m not up on any quirks of this era/model. Up until this point it has been flawless! I’m going to put the GS-911 on to see if anything shows but I have my doubts.....:wtf:
 

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PC680 is a great battery, but is it fresh? The first thing that I would do is to recheck the battery connection and make sure that everything is good and tight. The symptom sounds battery related to me! If that battery isn't new, then you might want to do a load test on it.



BTW, is case you are not aware, but whenever you remove the battery from the bike, and reconnect, you need to "reteach" the throttle positioner by turning the bike on, but do NOT start, then slowly roll the throttle to the maximum stop, and back. Repeat a couple of times before turning the bike off. No, I don't think that this is your problem, if you haven't done it. BTW, this procedure needs to be done on bikes earlier than the wetheads that has ride-by-wire throttle.
 
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Based on this comment " Turned the key off and back on, still no instrumentation/signal lights but the engine started and ran OK." My go to is the ignition switch since the dash was dead but the bike started and if it was the battery it would not have started. They can and do act flaky with age. Now having said that I see the 09 has a ZFE module so it is CANBUS and all bets are off on the ignition switch.
 

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PC680 is a great battery, but is it fresh? The first thing that I would do is to recheck the battery connection and make sure that everything is good and tight. The symptom sounds battery related to me! If that battery isn't new, then you might want to do a load test on it.
The battery is only about 9 months old from new and has been on a tender. Load test with the Schumacher BT-100 indicates a good battery.

Based on this comment " Turned the key off and back on, still no instrumentation/signal lights but the engine started and ran OK." My go to is the ignition switch since the dash was dead but the bike started and if it was the battery it would not have started. They can and do act flaky with age. Now having said that I see the 09 has a ZFE module so it is CANBUS and all bets are off on the ignition switch.
ZFE module ??? Damn, now I have to study for the next test! Better start reading.........:confused:
ZFE=Zentrale Fahrzeugelektronik----why can't it be simple, like me?
 

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Don't fret about the ZFE!!! ;) It's just the onboard computer that runs everything, like on any modern vehicles! BTW, you should also know that CANBUS isn't really a "thing", it stands for the protocol that the computer uses to communicate with any "smart" devices onboard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus
 

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Don't fret about the ZFE!!! ;) It's just the onboard computer that runs everything, like on any modern vehicles! BTW, you should also know that CANBUS isn't really a "thing", it stands for the protocol that the computer uses to communicate with any "smart" devices onboard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus
Guess I'll start by using my GS-911 and see if anything shows up. See if I have this right; the ZFE controls Central chassis electronics, BMS-K, engine management and the I-cluster-rider information. But the initial problem was as if somebody pulled the plug, everything went dead! The engine started right back up and the instruments a few feet down the road. So CAN-bus, being the link between all of this, where would you start? It's possible with John Z's initial assessment of ignition switch or your cause of battery fault, even though the battery is fairly new, is looking more probable. I'm open to any suggestions. Man, these electronically controlled systems! I say bring back the carburetor fed, manual linkage, individually wired component vehicle!.........:wink::grin:
 

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As above, I still suspect your battery. Nine months old. Don't know the brand smart charger you used but if it is "Battery Tender" brand, I have little faith in them for long term use. A few days at a time fine. Same with many other inexpensive units out there. You can do a load test by hooking up a volt meter to your battery terminals, observe it while starting the bike. If voltage drops below 9.5 volts it is no good. (even below 10 merits a hard look)
 

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Since you have a GS-911, it will be most interesting to see what error codes shows up!
 

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Since you have a GS-911, it will be most interesting to see what error codes shows up!
I've been fairly busy lately with some updates around the house and finally got around to plugging in the GS-911 today and this is what came up;

3 fault codes found:
10218 CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with KOMBI (Instrument Cluster) control unit
The fault is not present now.
10491 Electronic Immobiliser malfunction
The fault is not present now.
10219 CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with ZFE (Central Vehicle Electronics) control unit
The fault is not present now.

3 fault codes found:
24052 Electrical System under-voltage
The fault is not present now.
54104 CAN-bus timeout from KOMBI
The fault is not present now.
54113 CAN-bus timeout from ZFE
The fault is not present now.

I've read the ring antenna could possibly be at fault with a fault indication showing only 50% of the time from the BMS-K. And if I understand this correctly if the low beam comes on and “EWS” is displayed, when the ignition is switched on the first time after the battery has been removed, the Ring antenna is NOT faulty! But I had no visible codes at start-up!

From looking at the following fault codes, what would be a good analysis or where would you concentrate the effort?
 

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I've been fairly busy lately with some updates around the house and finally got around to plugging in the GS-911 today and this is what came up;

3 fault codes found:
10218 CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with KOMBI (Instrument Cluster) control unit
The fault is not present now.
10491 Electronic Immobiliser malfunction
The fault is not present now.
10219 CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with ZFE (Central Vehicle Electronics) control unit
The fault is not present now.

3 fault codes found:
24052 Electrical System under-voltage
The fault is not present now.
54104 CAN-bus timeout from KOMBI
The fault is not present now.
54113 CAN-bus timeout from ZFE
The fault is not present now.

I've read the ring antenna could possibly be at fault with a fault indication showing only 50% of the time from the BMS-K. And if I understand this correctly if the low beam comes on and “EWS” is displayed, when the ignition is switched on the first time after the battery has been removed, the Ring antenna is NOT faulty! But I had no visible codes at start-up!

From looking at the following fault codes, what would be a good analysis or where would you concentrate the effort?
Did you check the voltage of the new battery prior to installation? Was it above the 12.65V specified? It sounds like a low voltage problem.
 

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Did you check the voltage of the new battery prior to installation? Was it above the 12.65V specified? It sounds like a low voltage problem.
No, I didn't check it prior to installation. After the fault I performed a static and charging voltage test, load test and starter draw. All indicate a good battery. It was on a battery tender prior to installation, battery dated 08/2019. The first 3 codes are listed under BMS-K(P) and second 3 under Integral ABS 2.
 

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My 07 did something similar last year
On the 3rd day of a 7 day trip, I started the bike after a fuel stop and the dash went suddenly blank (The bike was still running though)

I pulled over, stopped the bike, turn the kill switch off and back on, restarted the bike and everything was fine again.
It never happened since.(20,000km +)


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At my next service my GS-911 showed the following fault codes


10218CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with KOMBI (Instrument Cluster) control unit
The fault is not present now.10219CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with ZFE (Central Vehicle Electronics) control unit
The fault is not present now.
 

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My 07 did something similar last year
On the 3rd day of a 7 day trip, I started the bike after a fuel stop and the dash went suddenly blank (The bike was still running though)

I pulled over, stopped the bike, turn the kill switch off and back on, restarted the bike and everything was fine again.
It never happened since.(20,000km +)


:confused:

At my next service my GS-911 showed the following fault codes


10218CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with KOMBI (Instrument Cluster) control unit
The fault is not present now.10219CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with ZFE (Central Vehicle Electronics) control unit
The fault is not present now.
Hmmm, I think that very same Gremlin moved south to NJ and is now trying to aggravate me!!.....>:):surprise:
Well that's OK he won't stay long once he finds out about the high taxes, COL and Socialist government........
 

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I've been fairly busy lately with some updates around the house and finally got around to plugging in the GS-911 today and this is what came up;

3 fault codes found:
10218 CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with KOMBI (Instrument Cluster) control unit
The fault is not present now.
10491 Electronic Immobiliser malfunction
The fault is not present now.
10219 CAN-bus Timeout: no communication with ZFE (Central Vehicle Electronics) control unit
The fault is not present now.


3 fault codes found:
24052 Electrical System under-voltage
The fault is not present now.
54104 CAN-bus timeout from KOMBI
The fault is not present now.
54113 CAN-bus timeout from ZFE
The fault is not present now.


I've read the ring antenna could possibly be at fault with a fault indication showing only 50% of the time from the BMS-K. And if I understand this correctly if the low beam comes on and “EWS” is displayed, when the ignition is switched on the first time after the battery has been removed, the Ring antenna is NOT faulty! But I had no visible codes at start-up!

From looking at the following fault codes, what would be a good analysis or where would you concentrate the effort?
I am far from being the expert on fault codes here, but it seems to me that these 3 codes do indicate some issues that did cause the bike to shut down! Therefore, NOT a battery issue. Hopefully, Beech (or others more knowledgeable with fault codes) will see this, and perhaps he can give you some input.

EDIT: Just looked at the details again, and perhaps it IS the battery! I am looking at: 24052 Electrical System under-voltage
The fault is not present now.
 

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First, since none of the faults are present now, I would clear ALL faults and ride for a while and recheck to see if any come back.
 

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First, since none of the faults are present now, I would clear ALL faults and ride for a while and recheck to see if any come back.
I was leaning toward the same thought. I cleared the fault codes and will run it for a bit to see if the Gremlin returns!.....:wink:
 

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