K12LT - auto signal cancel too long
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I think you have a valid point. I don't remember the criteria, seems like there's a distance (and maybe time) built into it. I know as you know just setting still will not cancel, you must be rolling.
I have just forced myself to get into the habit of canceling manually, but it would be nice if there was some easy way to decrease the time/distance.
I have just forced myself to get into the habit of canceling manually, but it would be nice if there was some easy way to decrease the time/distance.
What's wrong with looking handsome?mneblett said:No -- it's programmed into the turn signal control module.
I also think they stay on too long. I usually manually shut them off, and rely on the auto function to keep me from looking like a Florida retiree
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Not retired yet, but gosh, we don't pick on hmmmm DC area! But then again . . . .nah, better not!mneblett said:No -- it's programmed into the turn signal control module.
I also think they stay on too long. I usually manually shut them off, and rely on the auto function to keep me from looking like a Florida retiree
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No indignation from you, young man -- you're still to aware of your surroundings!jpalamaro said:
And as far as DC is concerned, is there *anything* that goes on up here that isn't either laughable, or makes you shake your head??? Poking fun at DC is like poking fun at ... the obvious.
signal delay
Dealer told me my 05 had a few ways to auto shut off the signal. while moving, they stay active aprox 22 sec. while at a stop they stay active, after making a turn they stay active for about 22 second. He also said there was a positional switch that if the turn invloved a leaning of any amount, the signal would stop when the bike returned to vert. ( Mine does)
New York requires advance notice of intention to turn and IMOP 22 sec. seems just about right to inform cagers of my intentions. If I give notice to early the termination may confuse followers. On high speed multi lane roads I activate the signal several times to give clear notice of intent. and still have cagers try to cut me off.
Dealer told me my 05 had a few ways to auto shut off the signal. while moving, they stay active aprox 22 sec. while at a stop they stay active, after making a turn they stay active for about 22 second. He also said there was a positional switch that if the turn invloved a leaning of any amount, the signal would stop when the bike returned to vert. ( Mine does)
New York requires advance notice of intention to turn and IMOP 22 sec. seems just about right to inform cagers of my intentions. If I give notice to early the termination may confuse followers. On high speed multi lane roads I activate the signal several times to give clear notice of intent. and still have cagers try to cut me off.
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Kisan makes the SignalMinder that you can set the timing down to 8 seconds. http://www.kisantech.com/index.php?cat_id=4
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Although my 1983 Honda's self-cancelling turn sugnals worked 500 times better than the LT's, I have found that with time, I have gotten used to the way these work. It's not really that big of a deal, is it? If you want the signal turned off sooner, there is a cancel button ergonomically placed right near your right thumb. Or, with enough patience . . . rumor has it that they actually turn off by themsleves.
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I would sure like to know how that works. Engineers have been trying to come up with a lean angle sensor on motorcycles for years. None have been successful to any reliable extent yet. Has BMW broken the physics code? If anyone has any information on this (if it actually exists) please post it.tobiwan said:
It would probably have to include some type of gyro sensor, and there are solid state systems in use now. They have been using relatively inexpensive yaw gyro sensors in radio controled helicopter models for quite some time now. That would likely be the way to go on a motorcycle, sense yaw, not lean.
Ring lasers have been around for years, but would probably cost half as much as the LT.
The turn signal relay counts pulses from the wheel speed sensor, and shuts off after a predetermined number is reached. The faster you are going, the quicker it shuts off. If you are not moving, there are no pulses to count, so the flasher stays on. On K bikes from 1985 to 2001, the signal came from the speedometer impulse pickup on the final drive. On 2002 and later bikes with integral brakes, the abs system shares the wheel speed impulses with the speedometer and the turn signal relay. The radio also uses the signal to increase the volume as you go faster. As far as I know, the flasher relay can not be reprogrammed to count fewer or more pulses before it shuts off.
leaning and such
I am just the carrier of the words. Don' shoot me. As to the lean I can tell you my experience. There are several turns On my way to work that require a stop or not. depending on the color of the light. During the times when no stop is required and there is leaning involved druing the turn, as soon as I return to the upright position the signal cancels. It may be because the required counts have been met to cancel, it could also be something as simple as the kind as in an older home heating control device. Liquid conductor stuff inside a glass containment envelope.
That is what my dealer refered to
I am just the carrier of the words. Don' shoot me. As to the lean I can tell you my experience. There are several turns On my way to work that require a stop or not. depending on the color of the light. During the times when no stop is required and there is leaning involved druing the turn, as soon as I return to the upright position the signal cancels. It may be because the required counts have been met to cancel, it could also be something as simple as the kind as in an older home heating control device. Liquid conductor stuff inside a glass containment envelope.
That is what my dealer refered to
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My first bike had manual signals. I always had great fun using my left hand to indicate a let hand turn. My girlfriend would join in using her right hand signaling a left hand turn.
My 00 is the first bike I’ve owned with self canceling signals. Guess I’m so used to manual cancel signals that I don’t rely upon self canceling.
Bob
My 00 is the first bike I’ve owned with self canceling signals. Guess I’m so used to manual cancel signals that I don’t rely upon self canceling.
Bob
I have an 05. I have come to the conclusion that there is no pattern to if and when my signals will go off. I always use the cancel switch. It is not a big deal. Still I wonder why BMW has had problem getting the signals to turn off properly.
I have a VROD that have signals that work perfectly. After you turn the signal goes off, every time.
I have a VROD that have signals that work perfectly. After you turn the signal goes off, every time.
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Steve, my 2000 flashes 13 to 14 times, then cancels. When changing lanes, I let it flash 5 times before changing lanes or making a turn. It then turns off timely. It is based on full revolutions of the rear wheel. In close in city riding, I will turn it off manually.
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