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Although, I am starting to get used to Vista.

 

[ranks]

I knew there was a reason I use Linux

 

[KMC1]

Man, I hope Vista isn't as bad as I keep hearing it is.......
I need to upgrade my PC next week, and the new one (a Dell) is coming loaded with Vista Home Premium, which I have not worked with.
I almost went with a new Imac instead, but then I know for sure all my software won't work and I'd have to drink the Apple Koolaid - which I'm just not inclined to do....
It's really too bad that Microsoft doesn't understand how badly people dislike being told what to do, or being forced out of old software that we need to use, but there aren't many truly feasible options out there that I'm aware of.

 

[Randy]

Man, I hope Vista isn't as bad as I keep hearing it is.......

It isn't. I have three Vista machines and one XP machine. They are all stable, but after getting used to the changes in the Vista interface, I prefer it. It has become quite popular to blame Vista - even for problems not related to the OS.

 

[ChasnRacin]

Once you go Mac, you'll never go back. It just works :rotf:

 

[Eric_R]

Once you go Mac, you'll never go back. It just works :rotf:

Disclaimer: Don't get me wrong, I really like Macs.

Some of the changes Mr. Jobs and company made to with the Leopard OS are just wrong. In the previous OS (Tiger) the firewall was an easy setup from a GUI, now you must edit ports from a command line to do anything "out of the orrdinary".
And don't get me started on the crap I have to go thru to integrate 100 Macs with Leopard to our windblows network

As for Vista, time will tell. We are still avoiding that one, for now.

 

[Morley]

Man, I hope Vista isn't as bad as I keep hearing it is.......
I need to upgrade my PC next week, and the new one (a Dell) is coming loaded with Vista Home Premium,

First do some reading on the Vista alerts and how to turn them off (MAJOR PITA with them running).
Next read up on the differences between XP and Vista and make note of the big ones.
If you are using one of the older MS office programs and the Dell has office 2007 on it...be sure to read up on the differences there, they are many and varied. 2007 is VERY different from the older products.

At least the teletubbies background from XP is gone.

 

[KMC1]

First do some reading on the Vista alerts and how to turn them off (MAJOR PITA with them running).
Next read up on the differences between XP and Vista and make note of the big ones.
If you are using one of the older MS office programs and the Dell has office 2007 on it...be sure to read up on the differences there, they are many and varied. 2007 is VERY different from the older products.

At least the teletubbies background from XP is gone.

Thank you for the info!
I actually just checked the DHL delivery page and WOW, it looks like I'm supposed to get the new PC this afternoon sometime... that's really pretty impressive since I only ordered it on 5/21....
It does come with Office '07 installed, not sure how long the trial is for it though... I have XP version of Office that I'm hoping I can load up....and a bunch of misc. software... etc..... Fingers are crossed already....

 

[Morley]

Thank you for the info!
I actually just checked the DHL delivery page and WOW, it looks like I'm supposed to get the new PC this afternoon sometime... that's really pretty impressive since I only ordered it on 5/21....
It does come with Office '07 installed, not sure how long the trial is for it though... I have XP version of Office that I'm hoping I can load up....and a bunch of misc. software... etc..... Fingers are crossed already....

Toe Office 2007 you get with it should not be a trial, but a full version. You'll probably get 60 day trial version of Norton though.
I just got my wife an HP laptop and it came with no disks what-so-ever. Everything is preloaded but not fully installed. When you power it up it goes through the install process. After that you absolutely must make your "rescue" disks and stash them away somewhere safe AND where you'll remember where they are.
Once I switched Vista to look and "feel" like XP I was OK with it...until it started crashing my router. That seems to have taken care of itself...either that or I figured the "magical" process to get it to play nice.
When I first started the laptop it loaded windows and all the other software (not much there) and then it went on line and did its updates. Once it rebooted it couldn't connect to the router. I rebooted the router and it connected. I have 3 other computers on the network and when the laptop was first connected I would boot up another computer and it couldn't connect. So, I had to reboot the router, start the next computer (it couldn't connect) reboot the router and so on until I had done all of the 'puters on my network.
So far I haven't had to reboot the router any more. I think Vista is "learning" the network and when a new computer is connected (booted up) it freaks and crashes the router.

 

[jayjacobson]

Man, I hope Vista isn't as bad as I keep hearing it is....

No, it's not. I'm running Business on one L/T and Ultimate (64 bit) on two D/T's. I have found it to be a stable platform and more intuitive than XP. Not all programs are backwards compatable, like MS claims, however.

 

[dshealey]

Once you go Mac, you'll never go back. It just works :rotf:

IF all the software you need to run will run on it.

My problem for years has been that none of the big CAD applications support MAC. Some did for a while many years back, but the cost of keeping the applications updated for MAC just was not economically feasable due to the relatively very small numbers of users using the software on MACs.

One day I will retire completely and not need to use CAD any longer, then maybe I can try a MAC. Since I am still running CAD all day long at work I cannot come home to a different system and not be able to do the work at home if needed.

Yes, I know the new MACs can run Windows also, but I see no need to do that. Besides, I have never had any real problems with Windows (since Win 95 that is).

My Win XP machine is stable, and does everything I need it to do, quite well in fact. It stays on all day, every day, hooked to the internet, and I have had NO virus problems for many years. Regardless of what many MAC users want to think, Windows is NOT causing everyone problems.

A HUGE majority of businesses are using Windows, right or wrong. And for most it works.

Don't get me wrong, I am NOT a Microsoft supporter, some, if not most of their applications just plain SUCK! I hate the Office apps. I still use WordPerfect Suite at home, like it much better. I will never understand how Word got the market away from what I feel is a much better WordPerfect. Guess it is the same as Windows taking the market from the "possibly" better MAC. Better is a hard thing to nail down in any case though. Different people need different things, like BMW motorcycles instead of insert brand here.

 

[KMC1]

Whooopie!!!!
I got my new PC tonight and got her all started up and running! WHEEEEE!!!! This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much faster than my old one! WOWSA!
I got a weird message when I logged into the site, said the webpage is having a script problem of some sort. I know with my old PC (XPSP2) it would hang up for like 15 seconds everytime I went to a new thread.... It did that with this one too for the first time, and now seems to be ignoring the error..... Neato!!! A system that learns as you go.... won't be too much longer and Skynet will be building it's own robots....
So far so good, I like the interface as it seems very familiar.... Although I haven't tried to load my old programs in yet, and I haven't tried to load my CAD/CAM stuff in yet either....we'll see... but it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much faster!!! YES!!!
Since my SO got this for me, I guess that means she either wants something, or REALLY does like me.... :histerica

 

[sbrooten]

I got a new laptop with Vista last year and have had NO problems with it. It has been very stable and once I got used to the differences from XP I like it better. I am also looking at buying a new iMac for my photo processing, but I will also be running Windows aps on it since my stuff for the university all pretty much has to be Windows. Gonna be an adventure!

 

[RonKMiller]

Dell refurbs are a screamin' deal. I just bought one with Vista and one with Windows XP for the wife. (just in case...)

They warn you about potential cosmetic blemishes, blah, blah, blah. What I got were two BRAND NEW units with all of the protective tape on them, decent software fully installed, ready to rock within seconds of booting up. Full warranty.

I absolutely HATED Vista when I first starting using it. I was so pissed after a couple of days I was ready to send it back.

... then my brother in law told me it was very easy to turn off just about all of the pop ups incessantly asking you if you are "SURE you want to do this?"

Now running fast and smooth. Oddly seems more intuitive than XP. Even some ancient software that I have installed without any issues, although some web based stuff just plain will NOT work the way I want it to. :think:

I now know the value of having 3GB of ram vs. 512K. :yeah:

 

[messenger13]

I now know the value of having 3GB of ram vs. 512K. :yeah:

RAM is something that you just can't have enough of (post Win98). All of my XP machines have at least a gig. I wouldn't even think of owning a Vista machine with less than 2 gig. Vista uses almost 3/4 gig just booting up.

I guess it might be time for me to bring a copy of Vista to my home and load it up.

 

[jayjacobson]

....I now know the value of having 3GB of ram vs. 512K.

Yes Ron, absolutely! Ultimate (64 bit) requires 4gb ram, min. HUGE difference in speed and capability. Combine that with a quad core processor at 2.8gh or better, and you're screamin'.

RAM is something that you just can't have enough of....

Right! I tried 8gb in my new build, but processor didn't seem to like it. So, settled for 4gb.

Now I would love to try one of those Apple thingies, but, Joe would have to show me what to do with it!

 

[WildBil]

Vista. Well, it works better on some machines than others but its slow and awkward on all and still has a lot of driver problems unless you stick to the hardware the vendor included. Laptops fare better because there are almost no third party options except memory chips. Microsoft has quietly let the Vista management team go do other things, is porbably going to extend XP's lifetime again, and its steadily leaking Windows 7 information to everyone. Its not standing in the way of Dell and allowing large corporate customers to continue installing XP.

Rumor mill: MS will authorize Server 2008 iinstalls on workstations and laptops for a $200 license fee - not sure I believe that one, but it runs faster that Vista and has fewer compatibility problems, plus PowerShell works.

Rumor mill 2: Windows 7 beta is due by July