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Hello Everybody -

It's been a while since I have been here, I parted with my LT a while back and switched to a 2007 GT.

I am posting this because while I have never been a user of drugs and alcohol, I have known a great many people that have had serious issues with it. It all came to a head last year when a person I had lived with for six years, a person with a dean's list education, left me to continue to persue a life of addiction to prescription drugs and pornography.

Her family was no help, and all my efforts to assist her were in vain.

In the passing time, since I am an artist, musician, creator of videos and other whatnot, I have become extremely interested in becoming an activist against drug and alcohol abuse. I also think it is VERY important to get young people involved early, so that if possible they can avoid the pitfalls and lack of moral training which I see so many of them falling into today.

I have therefore created a new website along the lines of this one (bulletin board), which is very graphically oriented in a style to attract the attention of the younger generation.

I humbly ask your support, and would like as many of you as possible to visit the site, perhaps log in, give your comments on how I can improve it, and perhaps help publicize it if you feel the effort is warranted.

The URL is: http://www.hilljohnson.com

I much appreciate that there is even a place to post this request, and I humbly ask you for your support.

Hill Johnson
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RonKMiller said:
Hey Hill:

I appreciate your efforts and viewpoint - but what does this have to do with motorcycles?
Nothing... he is asking his biker friends to help spread the word about something he cares about greatly. I personally don't see anything wrong with it.

Maybe it's because I watched a young man destroy his life with drugs, and felt almost helpless as I watched his life being consumed... all efforts to intervene failed... he now sits in prison.

Hill, I certainly do not have a problem spreading the word.
 

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Nothing... he is asking his biker friends to help spread the word about something he cares about greatly. I personally don't see anything wrong with it.

Maybe it's because I watched a young man destroy his life with drugs, and felt almost helpless as I watched his life being consumed... all efforts to intervene failed... he now sits in prison.

Hill, I certainly do not have a problem spreading the word.
Me either - just not sure it is the right forum to get maximum effect. Belongs in chit chat or a blog, this is a forum about BMW motorcycles.

Good luck in your efforts Hill - there are a lot of young people out there that need help... Godspeed. :yeah:
 

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Hello Everybody -

It's been a while since I have been here, I parted with my LT a while back and switched to a 2007 GT.

I am posting this because while I have never been a user of drugs and alcohol, I have known a great many people that have had serious issues with it. It all came to a head last year when a person I had lived with for six years, a person with a dean's list education, left me to continue to persue a life of addiction to prescription drugs and pornography.

Her family was no help, and all my efforts to assist her were in vain.

In the passing time, since I am an artist, musician, creator of videos and other whatnot, I have become extremely interested in becoming an activist against drug and alcohol abuse. I also think it is VERY important to get young people involved early, so that if possible they can avoid the pitfalls and lack of moral training which I see so many of them falling into today.

I have therefore created a new website along the lines of this one (bulletin board), which is very graphically oriented in a style to attract the attention of the younger generation.

I humbly ask your support, and would like as many of you as possible to visit the site, perhaps log in, give your comments on how I can improve it, and perhaps help publicize it if you feel the effort is warranted.

The URL is: http://www.hilljohnson.com

I much appreciate that there is even a place to post this request, and I humbly ask you for your support.

Hill Johnson
Hill Johnson Project
http://www.hilljohnson.com
I'm right with you Hill. I have watched both my brothers spiral out of control because of drugs and booze. Not that I'm an angel or anything but i do thank you for what you're doing.
 

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Thanks all..

RaffyK said:
It's more appropriate there.

Good on you Hill for taking action.

Raffy, guys - thanks for the support. I have got to tell you that for me this has become a life changing event, and it has simply become so important that I will do almost anything to publicize it - even post in the wrong Forum!

I have very good creative skills, it's time I put them to some good use. The site also might contain a spot for your own comments on politics, etc., and is intended to entertain that younger generation that is used to the 'edgy' stuff...

thanks all...

- h.
 

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I'm right with you Hill. I have watched both my brothers spiral out of control because of drugs and booze. Not that I'm an angel or anything but i do thank you for what you're doing.
I am no angel either. I have a mouth on me like the proverbial sailor.

I really think it's time we started to take responsibilty for ourselves, and tried to do something to keep the younger people from being educated by only those that want to 'keep it real' and 'put a cap in his ass'.

If I was begging man, I would beg those two that mentioned their experiences with drug users to relate them on the site, so that others might hear them.

And, you are right - I am asking my brothers in the motorcycling community to help. You are the best, most honest people I know. Something has to be done in a big way not a little way. Please, criticize me, and tell me what to do to make a big difference, not a little one.

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my 222 cents

I think you'll get more of an audience if you can post some insightful dialogue and feedback directly from the crowd you're talking about.

In college for example, I would find people out late at night at the local 24hr Denny's and interview them and if they seemed interesting and interested, I'd ask them to participate in a Q&A panel. These always allowed people to relate and communicate really well and got people really involved.

In my opinion, people who have or are experiencing the pressures of drugs/society/youth/etc/ are the ones who can more easily relate to the crowd you are trying to reach out to and they may very well try and find that hero within themselves with which to reach out and help their fellow man with the "don't be like me", mentality.

These words, even coming from an anonymous masked figure, would likely smack of a perspective truth that could touch some lives and assist in derailing them from their path of self destruction before it gets worse. For others they may not be ready, yet.

Produce it in a fashion that others will want to share it. While I admire what you've produced so far and are trying to do, I don't feel the message you're currently using is going to achieve real in what you desire.

When it comes down to it, there is only so much we can do unless you can really produce a convincing message. I told my grandparents during my entire childhood to stop smoking. When I became desperate I planted exploding charges in them from the magic store, hid them, got down on my knees and begged, but they never quit. Eventually my grandmother came down with lung cancer and my grandfather throat cancer. I wonder if they could see that happening to themselves if it would of changed anything. For most the addiction produces some sort of self dellusion. It is sad to me that we live in a world where people promote such things that take advantage of the weak willed and profit from them. I had an aunt who is still living, but essentially lost her life to drugs in the typical gateway fashion, starting with cigs and pot and working her way up to cocaine and heroin until she became a burned out shell of a person never capable of fully recovering from the devastating effects from the drugs.

I have friends who can handle drugs recreationally that say people should be able to buy and use anything they want. A part of me wants to agree, yes in a perfect world that would be fine I suppose, but what about for those who have addictive personalities that can't stop using and hurt themselves unknowingly, or, hurt someone else.

It is devastating to see people throw away their lives. The best time to intervene and educate is at a young age. But so many people are parents that can't handle their own problems much less act like a role models for their kids.

Unfortunately I do not see many public figures whom I would deem as a moral compass these days with which to live my life by. I was lucky enough to have enough common sense to make decisions for myself growing up. While my decisions weren't always right, I recognized right from wrong and learned from my mistakes. I never understood drug abuse because I have always viewed it as a weakness and wanted to get myself into a position where I was strong in life, not weak, sick, poor, and smelly.

I wish you luck and applaud you on your efforts. I have often thought about this and I find the true cause of many of these issues is that the value system for a large segment of our population is corrupt and turned upside down. If we continue to ignore the issues it will continue to grow and spiral out of control just as it has. What is the answer to the problem? Well, we all pretty much know the answer.

Our lives are influenced on many levels by the choices we as free willed people make every day. Choices that are sometime good, and sometimes not so good. Drugs will continue to be an issue so long as we as a country place a greater value on things such as wealth, power, and glamour above education, morality, and the peaceful fellowship of mankind. The ignorance and greed that I see in our government and policy makers sickens me. The lack of affordable quality education in our country is eating away at our countries foundation and will spiral out of control if we keep ignoring it in my opinion. Most of our media plays down to audiences, selling out our values for the almighty buck with shock material that only softens the minds and values of our society. CEO's and others pillage the coffers of corporations giving themselves multimillion dollar raises in fiscally failing years while cutting the wages for their employees. Because of this kind of greed many families these days have become dual income earning families in order to keep up the image our media has projected we must live up to. We suddenly are concerned more about material possessions and less about how we are raising and educating our younger generations. The sacrifice is causing a change in our values to the negative which will spiral out of control if not put into check. The effects of these kinds of loss are all related; depression, drug abuse, sickness, greed, corruption, immorality, theft, ignorance, false expectations, etc etc. We as a people need to stand up against corrupt lobbyists, politicians, moral figures. Instead of making a quality education too expensive for the average family, why wouldn’t we try and give it away to build the infrastructure of our country? We as a society should acknowledge the great minds, actions, and ideas of people in the world in People magazine instead of who cheated on whom or who was wearing what. Our world is too small to continue the ethnocentric ideology and ignorance. It’s time we act like a true super power and lead by example. I’m personally afraid that the majority rules mentality cannot be relied on to work because there has been so much abuse of power and corruption through the years that the corruption appears out of control. Who do you consider to be your moral compass?

Anyway, it's late. Apologies for not proofing this but it is late. This onion of ideology has too many layers and I hope what I had to say made sense. In short I guess I'm saying the obvious which is, life is about decisions, and we could be doing a better job as a people in making decisions. Instead of just addressing the symptoms with a band aid, address the causes of our wounds as well.
 

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A brief response...

Seattle said:
I think you'll get more of an audience if you can post some insightful dialogue and feedback directly from the crowd you're talking about.

In college for ...
You have so many positive things to say I would like to answer in more detail, but it's late and I'll do it tomorrow.

However, if I can make one quick point, if you had posted this over on the other board, I would have accomplished my mission. :)

Perhaps you are one of the role models you wish you had... :)
 

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September 15, I'll be clean and sober 15 years. Having raised a gaggle of kids (plus our house is where they hung out) and still being in contact with all these kids, my experience with all of the above? Nobody is gonna do squat till they hit bottom and are ready to.
Dear friend - what we need on the other site is the story of how you hit bottom...

I firmly believe that along with all the other opinions about politics and such, there is not enough real exposure, and what there is is way to clinical and not told by people who have actually recovered.

There are plenty of sites where people are seeking help, but none of them have any appeal. I want real opinions and experiences.

BTW - thanks to all on the board for putting up with this sh**...

- h.
 

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Does your site look at addiction as more of a medical problem or more as a mindset problem?
 

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An Excellent & Difficult Question

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Does your site look at addiction as more of a medical problem or more as a mindset problem?
That is such a difficult yet proper question, and again, users here on this 'motorcycle' web site are right on point. I believe that modern medicine is a little bit flawed, in that in these types of things the symptoms tend to receive treatment more than the root causes of the disease.

As a homespun example, when I was a kid ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) was treated with a good swat on the bottom and a command to sit still. I seem to be none the worse for wear, yet the medical community has provided us with a new disease, instead of recommending a little simple time tested parenting. We have become so soft on our kids that they believe they aren't expected to learn anything through pain, and as we all know, that's what really teaches us things - when something hurts either mentally or physically we pay attention.

We are sometimes letting youth believe life should be so easy that they should be instantly gratified, and in some cases the parents of these youths were taught this ahead of them and don't know the difference themselves. Personally, I have never found life to be one bit easy, but I enjoy it just the same.

In my lifetime I have had a great deal of involvement with the artistic and creative community, and there are many drug and alcohol users therein. This can be a very intelligent segment of the population, but the attitudes prevalent in that community are extremely narcissistic, and persons in this group in particular tend toward behaving in ways that are 'cool', adhere to current fashion and fad, tend to be more self interested, and less willing to tolerate and learn about differences in other people, and strangely enough less willing to communicate, even though they are purveying their ideas on stage and through music.

These persons are also probably THE primary influence in youth culture, and right now the kids are being taught that it's all about me, it's all about sex, it's all about self satisfaction rather than cooperation, community, love, family.

The new diseases being invented are treated by Xanax, Ambien, Lunesta, Boniva, Viagra, Codeine, Vicodin, Ritalin, and those old favorites, marijuana & alcohol, not to even start on the harder illegal drugs. So in my mind and by observation of many so trapped, while there is physical evidence to support addiction, the core problem remains seated in all the little things that some people have chosen to disregard as part of personal morality.

The real drug & alcohol users in my experience usually do not respect others, are cynical to some greater or lesser extent, do not believe in their own power OR a higher power, will lie about something to someone, will ridicule those who will not imbibe as they do, those not 'cool' like themselves. They store up grievances and hurts in order to justify cruel action, they look for ways to control situations and people, they attempt to maintain a sense of superiority to counteract a larger sense of self-loathing. They remain essentially 'teenagers'.

I think the first part of the cure, and it has been said so many times that it sounds like broken record, is the start of self-realization, self-examination, and the development of a real conscience.

- h.
 

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After reading this thread I agree with Grif, YOU have to hit bottom to truly desire change. Whatever the addiction,( drugs, food, sex, or anything else)! Anytime I made real changes in my life it was because I wanted to for me and no one else!! Although I sought help with those changes, I had to for me!!!
 

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I'm involved with an alcoholic that also enjoys vicadin. I believe the vicadin thing is past but the alcohol is still there.

One thing that I have found to be a TREMENDOUS value to ME is Alanon. Even if you think you know your way around the addiction issue and look at yourself as a big tough guy/gal that can solve any problem given time, you should try Alanon for awhile. It'll grow on you and help in so many other areas of your life.

I know, being the cynical bastard I am I thought the same thing- I'm not going to get caught up in some kind of hokey-pokey touchy-feely group hugathon. It's nothing of the sort. I urge anyone living or associated with an alcoholic or addict(drug, porn,etc) to give Alanon an honest try. One of the things I've learned is what Grif said about the person hitting bottom. They have to before they'll truly realize the extent of their disease and more importantly you'll have to stand aside and let them hit that bottom. And that's tough to do with a loved one.

So, anyway, enough of the commercial. Get yourself to a meeting. NOW!! Besides, you'll love the serenity.
 

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Gentlemen - you have all hit the nail on the head.

The single hardest thing for me was to one day write a check for $3000.00 and hand it to a person I loved dearly, and give her the choice to leave. Even more devastating was watching her go out the door toward an ignorant family and vicious friends, and knowing that she is not in the safest of places.

In my previous post, I did not mean to discount the physical side of addictions, and I hope it did not come off that way entirely.

But as you all say, they have to hit bottom. But I think hitting bottom really entails being forced into a new understanding of your responsibility to yourself and others as a human being.

I also think that we all hear that phrase, and nobody except those who have experienced it know what it means. Why don't you tell us those stories?

- h.
 
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