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I recently became the new owner of a 2022 RT.
Great bike, horrible suspension. It pogos on road setting. I ride mostly one up. I weigh 90kg. On some occasions on tight aggressively lean in corners it even refuses to turn in ( very scary experience). Far too soft when just me on the bike. Everything is fine in Dynamic mode but it can be tiring and slightly on the stiff side.
Has anyone experienced this as I hear from suspension specialist that my experience is not an isolated one. BMW usually deny any problems until they get a solution, then quietly fix it.
 

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I recently became the new owner of a 2022 RT.
Great bike, horrible suspension. It pogos on road setting. I ride mostly one up. I weigh 90kg. On some occasions on tight aggressively lean in corners it even refuses to turn in ( very scary experience). Far too soft when just me on the bike. Everything is fine in Dynamic mode but it can be tiring and slightly on the stiff side.
Has anyone experienced this as I hear from suspension specialist that my experience is not an isolated one. BMW usually deny any problems until they get a solution, then quietly fix it.
Hi Tarek - not my experience on a 2021 RT. I weigh about the same as you but would say that in road mode the suspension is sublime and controls a bumpy road really well. I would describe it as plush but you’ve always got dynamic mode to firm things up if you want better control. I am an experienced ex-police rider and have never experienced failure to turn in that I would associate with the suspension being too soft. I guess it depends what you are used to but this is my seventh RT and I think the suspension is the best I‘ve ever experienced. My bike has the Michelin Road 5 GT tyres fitted which I also find very confidence inspiring.
 

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I recently became the new owner of a 2022 RT.
Great bike, horrible suspension. It pogos on road setting. I ride mostly one up. I weigh 90kg. On some occasions on tight aggressively lean in corners it even refuses to turn in ( very scary experience). Far too soft when just me on the bike. Everything is fine in Dynamic mode but it can be tiring and slightly on the stiff side.
Has anyone experienced this as I hear from suspension specialist that my experience is not an isolated one. BMW usually deny any problems until they get a solution, then quietly fix it.
The bouncing effect in ROAD mode is pretty noticeable for me too. I don't mind it. Could be better modulated. I agree Dynamic works well but can be a little stiff if left in that mode al the time.
 

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Hello Tarek,
Not a fan of the "pogo" Road Mode suspension pre sets but have not experienced any turn in issues at all. Even though feed back can feel slightly vague, the bike turns on a dime. Prefer the Dynamic mode when traveling on curvy roads. Yes, Dynamic mode feels a bit harsh during extended, more casual cruising.
A suspension setting between the floating Road and harsher Dynamic mode would therefore be great. Maybe BMW can stiffen the Road Mode settings via future software updates?

2021 RT - Michelin Road 5 GT!
 

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I recently became the new owner of a 2022 RT.
Great bike, horrible suspension. It pogos on road setting. I ride mostly one up. I weigh 90kg. On some occasions on tight aggressively lean in corners it even refuses to turn in ( very scary experience). Far too soft when just me on the bike. Everything is fine in Dynamic mode but it can be tiring and slightly on the stiff side.
Has anyone experienced this as I hear from suspension specialist that my experience is not an isolated one. BMW usually deny any problems until they get a solution, then quietly fix it.
I can't find the post I'm thinking of, but I read recently of another owner with a similar problem on a new shiftcam. The resolution was electronic, as in the dealer resetting the computer controller for ESA, or something to that effect. I wish I could remember all the details, but I think the rider said that it was something missed during dealer prep. The owner said that it road like an entirely different bike after the very quick fix, i.e. perfect suspension.

It's a freakin' new and shinny BMW under warranty. Take it back in, tell them your problem, and have them make it right.
 
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I ride a '16 RT so not sure about the TFT shift-cams, but how about your Dynamic ESA setting that controls your damping? Should be on the "wonder wheel" HARD, SOFT, NORMAL. Maybe yours is set at SOFT. That's different than the RAIN, ROAD, DYNAMIC settings, and yet again different than the ride height / weight distribution settings (1-up, 2-up, luggage). SOFT really is a wallower of a setting - like a couch.
 

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I ride a '16 RT so not sure about the TFT shift-cams, but how about your Dynamic ESA setting that controls your damping? Should be on the "wonder wheel" HARD, SOFT, NORMAL. Maybe yours is set at SOFT. That's different than the RAIN, ROAD, DYNAMIC settings, and yet again different than the ride height / weight distribution settings (1-up, 2-up, luggage). SOFT really is a wallower of a setting - like a couch.
I don't think the later bikes after 2018 have that choice. It's all automatic. I have a 2015 and love the choices we have. Keep mine in normal most of the time. On the highway I usually use soft, the wife likes it that way :)
 

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Maybe yours is set at SOFT
No, it is not. The '21-'22 models only have Road and Dynamic modes for the suspension. They can be set separately as by default changing riding mode will change suspension as well.

@Tarek: Dig down into the menu and change suspension to whichever you prefer more. Also, CHECK your tyre pressure. Turn in can be effected by that. Have you got TPMS on the bike?
 

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There is one additional option:
Bike in Neutral - Engine running: Go to Settings/ Assit/ Load - one can choose between Automatic or Minimum.

If and how that will impact the damping of the bike?
 

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I believe Dalton is right. I remember questioning the dealer about it on a test ride and said I miss the ability of my three choices and he then proceeded t show me what Dalton spoke of. Was over a year ago but he just jogged my memory.
 

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I've got a '22 and just leave it on Dynamic. Same problem as yours - wallowing in the sweepers when in Road mode.
Totally agree, Dynamic SOFT or NORMAL for myself for 90% of my 25k miles on my RT. I’ve only used ROAD when burning miles riding 2-up on the super-slab. I tried the RAIN mode a few times, worked as advertised
I enjoy the Sport side of the Sport-Touring beast the R1200RT is, as it takes me 127 sweeper turns to get to town from my place in the Sierra’s…
 

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I tried the RAIN mode a few times, worked as advertised

I don't believe that RAIN Mode changes the suspension damping characteristics from ROAD settings. It reduces engine output/power delivery and dials up DTC and ABS sensitivity. I could be wrong but that is my perception of that particular setting.
 

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I can't find the post I'm thinking of, but I read recently of another owner with a similar problem on a new shiftcam. The resolution was electronic, as in the dealer resetting the computer controller for ESA, or something to that effect. I wish I could remember all the details, but I think the rider said that it was something missed during dealer prep. The owner said that it road like an entirely different bike after the very quick fix, i.e. perfect suspension.

It's a freakin' new and shinny BMW under warranty. Take it back in, tell them your problem, and have them make it right.
I'm interested in learning more about this. I'm wondering if this is something that could be accomplished with a GS-911? I too can't stand the excessive bounce of the RT suspension in road mode.
 

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Highly unlikely that the GS-911 can be used to change the suspension parameters. It would leave the manufacture of the device open to all sorts of potential issues.

The most rational approach is to keep the settings in Dynamic mode, especially during more spirited rides, and accept a degree of harshness while cruising down the highway. Unlike the Thread Starters starters complaint, my bike turns in fine even when set to Road Mode, albeit with a somewhat vague feedback. Hopefully BMW will offer a solution via software updates in the future.
 

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Highly unlikely that the GS-911 can be used to change the suspension parameters. It would leave the manufacture of the device open to all sorts of potential issues.

The most rational approach is to keep the settings in Dynamic mode, especially during more spirited rides, and accept a degree of harshness while cruising down the highway. Unlike the Thread Starters starters complaint, my bike turns in fine even when set to Road Mode, albeit with a somewhat vague feedback. Hopefully BMW will offer a solution via software updates in the future.
I haven't used any GS-911 options re: suspension (yet), but the GS-911 current firmware show these service functions are available for the XSAF Suspension Controller (on the 2020 R1250RT with Dynamic ESA at least):
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Complete (and current) function list available at: GS-911 Functions for K52 R1250RT

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I recently became the new owner of a 2022 RT.
Great bike, horrible suspension. It pogos on road setting. I ride mostly one up. I weigh 90kg. On some occasions on tight aggressively lean in corners it even refuses to turn in ( very scary experience). Far too soft when just me on the bike. Everything is fine in Dynamic mode but it can be tiring and slightly on the stiff side.
Has anyone experienced this as I hear from suspension specialist that my experience is not an isolated one. BMW usually deny any problems until they get a solution, then quietly fix it.
Not sure what tires you have, but I have found that different brands/models can impact turn in quite a bit, as can tire pressure. If you're running 36 psi up front, try 38 or even 40. You might be surprised at the difference.

I can't speak specifically to the R1250RT Suspension as I have a 2016 R1200RT, but its worth giving the above a try.
 

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I haven't used any GS-911 options re: suspension (yet), but the GS-911 current firmware show these service functions are available for the XSAF Suspension Controller (on the 2020 R1250RT with Dynamic ESA at least):
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Complete (and current) function list available at: GS-911 Functions for K52 R1250RT

Larry
I run these functions at every 12K service interval on my 2016 R1200RT. They take the suspension through its entire range of travel to reset the limits on either end. I haven't noticed a difference after running them, but I wasn't having a suspension issue before either. It certainly could hurt giving it a try.
 
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