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...organized than we are.

My October MCN issue(pg 6) talks about a class action lawsuit against Honda for the same "wobble" that we experience on our LT's. Riders got fed up with Honda replying to customer concerns, stating that the wobble was a characteristic and not a defect of the GL. Another response was, "Keep both hands on the handlebars, two handlebars -- use two hands."

Interesting read. I thought I'd pass it along. We must have some lawyer-types on this board ;)
 

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Gold Wing...Wobble

Or we could go here and sign up with these guys...but the question is: Does the wobble represent an undesirable characteristic of motorcycles or lawyers?

http://www.harleywobble.com/
 

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niobium said:
Or we could go here and sign up with these guys...but the question is: Does the wobble represent an undesirable characteristic of motorcycles or lawyers?

http://www.harleywobble.com/
Unfortunately, if the Wingers win, it's gonna impact every two-wheel manufacturer on the planet. Not too smart of their lawyer group, to keep the lawsuit isolated to one model of one brand, when wobbling is not model specific in occurence. Wish someone smarter than me would organize a library/inventory of wobbling occurences tied to model/brand - it's just not a unique thang to Gold Wings. Makes ya wonder why someone hasn't gone after the bikes that have had full-on tank slappers - those can result in some hairy outcomes and from what I've seen, doesn't make any difference whether you have both hands on the grips or not! Manufacturer's fault - I don't think so.

I think wobbling is the result of the physics of two-wheel conveyances - bicycles do it; Big Wheels do it; Razer scooters do it; and unless I'm not understanding the causative basis of the Wingers' lawsuit, Toad has done it --- oncet.

However, not wishing to start a war here - just my opinion that in a courtroom scenario, this one is lost before the jury is seated, or the judge is robed.
 

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Must be a Honda thing. Both my 1000 Hurricanes would be as stable as can be, but just let go of those handles, and it would shake it's head like a horse on steriods. I guess it was a good thing, because it cured me of those "look Ma, no hands (or look Pa, no teeth)" behaviour.
 

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I always thought "wobble" was the result of an agressive rake and trail that is the reason we get such great handling. :confused:

Personally ... I'll keep my hands on the bars at 40-45 and enjoy the great handling.
 

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<"wobble" that we experience on our LT's>

"Speak for yourself pale face."

No wobble here.

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Grab Them Bars.....quick!!!

Wow...what a scare! My wife and I are riding and I simply turned loose of the bars for 2-4 seconds to scratch an itch on my back and WOW...TANK SLAPPER!!! (Almost pooped my pants!) :eek:

Just like everyone is reporting...about 40-45 miles an hour and it went into a crazy tank slapper. I grabbed those bars so quick!!! My wife was terrified and I wasn't much better. I have ridden for many years and NEVER experienced anything like that.

I have the 020's on and about 4k on the front tire. It is beginning to cup fairly well...but, MY GOSH that was scary. I think I'll replace the tire just to make sure. I know...I know...don't turn loose of the handlebars, but this sort of thing isn't normal. But, I'll betcha one thing...you couldn't pay me to turn loose of those bars now!! :(
 

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Goldwing riders are better

Uzirider said:
...organized -------
In their whining perhaps.
If the were organized in their approach they would go after the frame problem with a class action safety oriented suit. Something specific to the wing THAT HAS CAUSED INJURIES.
 

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"The Ultimate Wobble Machine." :histerica
 

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<"wobble" that we experience on our LT's>

"Speak for yourself pale face."

No wobble here.

Bob
Me either. 120,000 miles on two LTs, even tried to make one wobble once as an experiment, could not get it to.

There is something a little different on a SMALL percentage of LTs which will allow the wobble to start, but not on the great majority of them.
 

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Wow...what a scare! My wife and I are riding and I simply turned loose of the bars for 2-4 seconds to scratch an itch on my back and WOW...TANK SLAPPER!!! (Almost pooped my pants!) :eek:

Just like everyone is reporting...about 40-45 miles an hour and it went into a crazy tank slapper. I grabbed those bars so quick!!! My wife was terrified and I wasn't much better. I have ridden for many years and NEVER experienced anything like that.
It's a "wobble" . . . or a "frontend shake". But it sure the heck is NOT a "TANK SLAPPER". Tank Slappers are not recoverable by merely placing a hand on one of the grips.

Oh I'm not saying you didn't get scared. But now that you know it can happen, stopping it will not be that big of a deal.

FWIW, my '02 did it one time, and one time ONLY. I replaced the rear tire and it never happened again.
 

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Straight and true

Greetings all.

My '99 LT has impecable road manners and has never shown any signs of a desire to wobble at any speed inspite of my quite worn front BT020. Perhaps it really is a problem with a small minority of some later model LT's.

Still, it shouldn't be tolerated in this day and age of R&D and the money spent on development.

Could you imagine the outcry if any model car made in the 21st century had this problem? There would be a public lynching.

Kindest regards to all
Paul Harrington
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I haven't experienced a wobble yet on the LT, but it's a known fact in the Concours World that head shake during deceleration is a good indication of loose steering head bearings. Once tightened correctly, the Concours is extremely stable at all speeds. I don't know if the LT is like this or not.
 

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I tried many times to see if my '99 would do it and for a long time I couldn't get it to happen. I finally got it going recently with both tires extremely worn. Even with it shaking it felt stable, nothing like when my Triumph Speed Triple did a full blown, bucking bronco, tank slapper on a busy freeway with no warning or obvious cause. I will try again after I replace the rear tire (just did the front). In any case I'm not worried, it took a lot of effort to get it to shake and it remained controllable.
 

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See previous thread about how bikes are inherently unstable. The put the lawyers down and back away slowly.
 

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harrowbmw said:
Greetings all.

My '99 LT has impecable road manners and has never shown any signs of a desire to wobble at any speed inspite of my quite worn front BT020. Perhaps it really is a problem with a small minority of some later model LT's.

Still, it shouldn't be tolerated in this day and age of R&D and the money spent on development.

Could you imagine the outcry if any model car made in the 21st century had this problem? There would be a public lynching.

Kindest regards to all
Paul Harrington
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I guess it's only a "problem" if you define owner stupidity as a manufacturer defect. Bikes aren't meant to be ridden no-handed, neither are cars.

When I worked as a tech for Chevy, I had to look at a custom van that had been involved in a crash. Owner claimed the cruise control malfunctioned, causing the accident. I couldn't find a thing wrong with the system, and was called into court to testify. When asked on the stand to describe how the accident occurred, the owner stated that he had set the cruise control, and then went to the back of the van to get a cold drink from the cooler. That's when the van hit the other cars. We all had a good laugh for about a minute, and then the judge threw the case out, stating that the manufacturer had no control over the stupidity of the driver.
 

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I tried many times to see if my '99 would do it and for a long time I couldn't get it to happen.
Before I bought my '99 I tested an '06 at Americade this past June. Comming off the expressway back to Roaring Brook Ranch, I let go of the bars and she started to wobble. I told the BMW Reps about it and they said that it must have been the road conditions. (I did the same thing with a Wing that I test drove in the same location and nothing happened.)

However, I too have tried many times to make my '99 wobble. Just won't do it. Instead, I get o2 sensor and clutch failures! :histerica But it's still the best ride I've ever owned!
 

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Nor on mine. Front wheel is as steady as a rock regardless of the speed
 
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