"Instead of religion, seen as metaphysical and as something from above - perhaps also as something individualistic -, the great moral themes come into play as the essential which then confers dignity on man and engages him."cfell said:
And that's simply an assumption based on your own preconceived notions.messenger13 said:I have as much respect for Einstein's view on religeon, as I would any other pagan. I do, however, believe whole-heartedly that his view has changed quite a bit since his death.
Well . . . that's a lovely thought, but we both know that there are issues with that. Accordingly to your beliefs, we will both be dead and rot away, so we won't be discussing anything at that point. And according to my beliefs, I'll be in heaven with Jesus and you ... not so much. So, no discussion there either. Well, not unless you have a change of heart (then mind) by the time you die.meese said:Tell you what Joe, when we're both dead, then we can discuss it further. Deal?
Since you are obviously searching for the truth you might start my looking what this astrophysicist has to say http://www.christis.org.uk/archive/issue10/scientist.html
Or what astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross has to say http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/C_1a.html
Here is another reason to come visit me:
Dr. Einstein's brain was kept in a jar right here in Kansas for a while!!!
He wasn't using it anymore! Read all about it.
Go outside and look abound, there is plenary evidence every where that God exists!
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse (Rom. 1:20)."
This is serious business, I will not joke around with you on this topic like I do on so many others!
Pål, I continue to pray for you.
Yes Wolfgang, I am on sick leave so nothing much to do during the days before my surgery will be but sit here or ride my bike. Riding my bike give me aces in my leg joints so I cant do that either all day.Wolfgang said:Pål,
You must have too much time one your hand. Nobody is going to change anybodies mind here. We are all mature, some more than others adults and have our belief system firmly in place. The reason we are here is to socialize with other rider and learn how to maintain and improve our bikes .
To me, riding a well running bike on a great day with my wife behind me to a gathering of friends to enjoy a great meal and great company, and than make it home without incident makes me thank God. This whole experience did not just happened randomly there had to be an intelligent process to make all of this come together at the same time. Thats just my view, at least in this country we are all entitled to our own view.
Very good answeardandiver said:I still don't understand. One is logic - one is belief. They do not mix and you cannot debate belief. What would you use for reference that would hold up? If someone wishes to believe in something that is fine, but don't look for logic to explain it.
Well Joe, you beat me to it!messenger13 said:Well . . . that's a lovely thought, but we both know that there are issues with that. Accordingly to your beliefs, we will both be dead and rot away, so we won't be discussing anything at that point. And according to my beliefs, I'll be in heaven with Jesus and you ... not so much. So, no discussion there either. Well, not unless you have a change of heart (then mind) by the time you die.
Don't fret Ken, I'm still praying for ya. One of these days you'll "come around".