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How do you riders feel about using lower gears to slow bike to a creep ? I have been told that it does more harm to the engine than what it's worth in saving the brake pads. Of course it is needless to say that you shouldn't over-rev the engine.
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BMW has some of the best brakes on any motorcycle, use em. Brake pads are easy to replace and transmissions, clutches and bearings are not.

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I use just the brakes unless its a near emergency thing, then I use everything I got.
 

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I beg to differ as you have immensely more control over the the bike while downshifting that you don't have by slamming on the brakes. It does no harm to the engine or transmission as they are turning already anyway. I don't do it to save brake pads I do it to maintain better control of the machine. Yes I am one of those guys that run the twisties in 2nd gear @6-7,000 RPM.

No don't get me wrong this is for normal driving and I always grab a handful of these wonderful brakes when some one pulls out in front of me, but I usuall am not surprized enough to hit it hard and usually just down shift so I am ready to scoot again if the need arises.
 

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I am from the "keep the bike in the proper gear for speed and circumstances" school.
This means that on mountain roads, ie twisties, I downshift a lot - not just to decelerate but also to keep the RPM high enough so I take the turns by rolling the throttle on and off as needed and making minimal use of the brakes.
 

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I do use the downshifting method for slowing/braking. Just to mention it, since I use the bike for my daily commute, when I hit the clutch to shift I also hit the brake lever to at least put the brake light on, so that the driver behind me knows I am slowing down.

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Engine braking. Always keeping revs in the power band to maintain complete control, light tap on the brakes to show brake lights to those behind right before coming to a stop.

Never known anyone to hurt an engine, transmission, or any other part in a car or motorcycle by using the above style. Neutral coasting or clutch pulled in coasting is not my style. If you like to do it that's fine. However, as others have said you have no control over the bike while coasting or if you are not maintaining the power band.
 

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Never had a bike with any brakes to speak of the LT will put you over the handle bars if you're not careful I don't have a problem with it I try not to jump down to quickly and over rev her or Lock the rear up I can't see where it hurts anything.
 

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I am always trying to read the traffic situation in front of me and trying to quess the "mistakes" the others are doing, changing lane without singals etc. I use enginebraking a lot, and it is cheap; the motors fuel consumption is ZERO while enginebraking!
 

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John, I am with you. I have always on every bike I have owned used gearing to slow the bike down. I give the throttle a little blip when down shifting and releasing the clutch at the the same time to keep the bike on revs for best control. I have a 2006 LT with 37000 miles and have pushed it hard a lot on the twisties when wanted to. I have not had any problems with the bike a all.
 

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Another agreement from me. Always be in the correct gear. Engine braking is safer and more controllable, especially downhill.

Sadly in the legacy of Blair's Britain, learners are taught to use brakes not gears. Wonderful thing this edumakashun, edumakashun, edumakashun. :)
 

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Sit said:
I use just the brakes unless its a near emergency thing, then I use everything I got.
Well said sir! Well said...:thumb:
 

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It really depends on the situation for me.

Mostly I use the downshifting, when I need to just "reduce speed" (i.e.: approaching the next turn in a series of twisties, going downhill to avoid brake overheating, or when the traffic ahead is slowing down slightly). Sometimes, as on highway rides with traffic, I do it exactly to AVOID the stoplight to light-up: red lights on motorways tend to create nasty chain reactions sometimes.

But when I need to stop, I definitely use brakes more than engine, unless I have plenty of space and time and want to take it easy.
 

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After 20 years of driving trucks, I downshift to slow my bike. It helps slow the bike and I'm in the right gear to accelerate if needed. I can't see where it could do any damage to the transmission. It keeps you in the proper gear at all times............... :)
 

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jzeiler said:
I beg to differ as you have immensely more control over the the bike while downshifting that you don't have by slamming on the brakes. It does no harm to the engine or transmission as they are turning already anyway. I don't do it to save brake pads I do it to maintain better control of the machine. Yes I am one of those guys that run the twisties in 2nd gear @6-7,000 RPM.

No don't get me wrong this is for normal driving and I always grab a handful of these wonderful brakes when some one pulls out in front of me, but I usuall am not surprized enough to hit it hard and usually just down shift so I am ready to scoot again if the need arises.
I am in this camp, 100%, can't imagine not downshifting to the appropriate gear!
 

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All kinds of responses, for all kinds of riding and situations, yes, as I approach a turn, downshift to the proper gear for the turn, approach a light or a stop, I generally down shift to keep bike in proper gear so I can go if light changes, if it looks like it will be a stop, clutch in, down shift slowly as speed bleeds away so I will be in proper gear, but generally brakes are getting me stopped. Now for controlling spead through the hills, yup, use the gears for bulk speed, use the brakes to fine tune it. Style, its all style. Use what works for ya.
 

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lesn said:
How do you riders feel about using lower gears to slow bike to a creep ? I have been told that it does more harm to the engine than what it's worth in saving the brake pads. Of course it is needless to say that you shouldn't over-rev the engine.
Your input is apreciated
I have done this with every standard shift vehicle I've ever owned (34 years worth now) or driven from 18 wheelers to motorcycles. I've never had a problem with either an engine or a clutch. Providing the proper technique used, this is a good way to drive, ensures that you are always in the right gear to accelerate quickly should you suddenly need to move out rather than stop, and saves wear and tear on the brakes with little additional wear to the clutch and nothing measurable to the engine.

I have take several standard shift vehicles to well over 100K miles include 150,000 on a Jeep Comanche and 121,000 on my current K1500 Chevy and I have never yet worn out a clutch. My brakes tend to last 60,000 or so miles. They would last longer, but I have to use them enough to keep the disks from rusting out! :)

Having said this, if you don't use proper technique, then you certainly can wear out your clutch and risk damaging the engine.
 

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They would last longer, but I have to use them enough to keep the disks from rusting out! :)
We discuss a lot about economical driving in europe when you use engine braking when possible, downshifting while waiting green light etc. The other side of this issue is that brakes needs to be used to maintain the functionality.. :clapping:
 

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I always downshifted when reducing speed. It does not hurt the engine or clutch at all, as this puts FAR less strain on either than accelerating.

In the twisties downshifting gives you far better control than braking only.
 

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I am in this camp, 100%, can't imagine not downshifting to the appropriate gear!
+1 never give it a thought, surprised other do?

Of course I admit it, I have missed a few gears in my day and if you go down 1 too many, your really get woke up :rolleyes:

Of course on the LT you really got to blow it to do any damage with the rev limit it has, and the clutch is your friend.
 
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