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I'm blending a bucket-list Cross Country ride from West Chester PA to Laguna Beach CA, with a work meeting in California which is pretty important. My route is through Denver in late April (hopefully the weather is OK). Question: I'm allowing 7 days to make the trip which will be pretty much be 7+ hours per day of riding (not much sight seeing other than through my helmet shield). IS THIS REALISTIC???

Thanks for any insight anyone can share.

John
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For a trip that long I would give myself at least one extra day to accounts for unexpected delays.

You would need to average around 400 miles a day throughout the trip. If it turns out you are ahead of schedule, you can take the last two days easy (200 miles each) and do some sight-seeing.

That's usually how I approach a long trip: greater mileage up front (say 500-600 mile days for a couple days) gradually reducing to more relaxed riding at the end.

Regardless, best of luck on your journey.
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For a trip that long I would give myself at least one extra day to accounts for unexpected delays.

You would need to average around 400 miles a day throughout the trip. If it turns out you are ahead of schedule, you can take the last two days easy (200 miles each) and do some sight-seeing.

That's usually how I approach a long trip: greater mileage up front (say 500-600 mile days for a couple days) gradually reducing to more relaxed riding at the end.

Regardless, best of luck on your journey.
Hi Scott,

Thanks for the suggestion, and I would have to agree. Fortunately I have a forgiving wife who is supporting the trip/time away.

Have a great night.

John
On your way home look up Hwy 12 off 89 in Utah. It will be a treat. Takes multi trips to see the southwest, but this is a good start.
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Riding 7 hours a day is equivalent to 10 hours with food, fuel, and pit stops.
I have done the trip back and forth many times between southern CA and Bergen County, NJ.
I like to start each morning after breakfast leaving at 6:30AM, then riding until 4-5 PM each day.
I stop for a water break every 2 hours (approximately 110 - 125 miles)... first stop say 8:30 - 9 AM.
I would gas up every other stop (approx. 240 - 250 miles so far), and eat lunch/snacks from say 11 - 11:30 AM.
Then, another water break at 1:30 - 2 PM... with lunch/snacks again, too.
Continue to ride two more hours to about 4 - 5PM and find out where I plan to spend the night... gas up for the morning and do a hotel search.
Usually, I have mapped out 500 mile days before I start my trip.
If I need to alter plans I google hotels wherever I end up.

I count on 5-6 days to cross the approx. 2,500 mile trip.
It usually ends up closer to 3k miles with side trips.
Good luck!
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I'm blending a bucket-list Cross Country ride from West Chester PA to Laguna Beach CA, with a work meeting in California which is pretty important. My route is through Denver in late April (hopefully the weather is OK). Question: I'm allowing 7 days to make the trip which will be pretty much be 7+ hours per day of riding (not much sight seeing other than through my helmet shield). IS THIS REALISTIC???

Thanks for any insight anyone can share.

John
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Hi John... you may consider taking a more southern route in April.
It gets cold in them there "hills" crossing the Rockies even in mid-June!
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I'm blending a bucket-list Cross Country ride from West Chester PA to Laguna Beach CA, with a work meeting in California which is pretty important. My route is through Denver in late April (hopefully the weather is OK). Question: I'm allowing 7 days to make the trip which will be pretty much be 7+ hours per day of riding (not much sight seeing other than through my helmet shield). IS THIS REALISTIC???

Thanks for any insight anyone can share.

John
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Well, I admit that I'm not speaking from specific, personal experience, but maybe a little more from logical deduction.
(You don't need to answer these; they are rhetorical questions for you to consider.)

1) How long have you been riding motorcycles, i.e. what's your experience level, generally?
2) Have you taken 8 to 10 hour day trips before? 3 day trips?

Reason I ask #1 & #2 is that if you haven't done either, don't try this when you have a fixed arrival time that you need to make for business. The reason I also ask #2, is that if you haven't done this previously, you may not be adequately prepared. Do you have a good tool kit mounted, and know how to use it? Tire repair kit & pump? What do you carry for safety and sustenance (i.e. adequate water, some hiking shoes in case you have to hoof it 20 miles for assistance)? Back to #1 & 2: How to you handle a 10 hour riding day, physically? No back issues, great health in general, and so forth?

I also agree with those suggesting adding in extra days & slack time. If I'm riding cross country to an important business meeting, I am AT MINIMUM arriving Friday mid-day, for a Monday morning meeting. You'll probably need a day or two to rest and get your bearings, even if the ride goes smoothly. What's your back-up plan in case of a break down? Tow insurance? Where's the closest dealer? If you break down in Colorado, tow it to a dealer, leave it, maybe for weeks or months if parts are unavailable, do you hop a plane and rent a car in Orange County to make your meeting? That's the kind of contingency backup plan I'm talking about.

What if you hit a storm track? Just keep going through the storm? Through the Rockies, too? Or, do you take a day or three off and sit it out in a motel? What happens to your perfectly planned schedule then?

Do you know what "Spot" is? You're gonna want something like that if you end up down a gully wrecked and immobilized. If you survive and DON'T have one, you're wife is gonna kill you for leaving her in fear for hours, days, maybe .... way longer, until help finds you ... if it does.

I'm tentatively planning much the same kind of thing, but going south from Idaho to California (N to S), then Eastward. The optimum time for such a trip across the Southwest to Southeast is ... well, sometime between now and summer. I won't be ready by then, so that trip may have to happen 2024. If I'm crossing the country during Summer to Fall, I would plan a more Northerly route.

My point is that while I might do the same thing you're doing, I'm planning it pretty far in advance, I plan to take a series of 2 hour, half day, full day, and overnight trips, adjusting my load out along the way, as well as conditioning my body. I KNOW that I'm not ready, and I'm pretty certain that I know how to get ready, logistically as well as physically.

There are PLENTY of riders on this forum and others, lol, particularly the younger folks, who'd take your trip at the drop of a hat. (In fact, I have a friend my age (67 yrs old) in Southern California, had he read this post, who'd be calling me and telling me that he was about to come up to Idaho and stage an intervention, i.e. that I needed a testosterone transplant for being such a wuss.) To each his own ...

... which should be your primary consideration. You do you. Have a great trip!
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I'm blending a bucket-list Cross Country ride from West Chester PA to Laguna Beach CA, with a work meeting in California which is pretty important. My route is through Denver in late April (hopefully the weather is OK). Question: I'm allowing 7 days to make the trip which will be pretty much be 7+ hours per day of riding (not much sight seeing other than through my helmet shield). IS THIS REALISTIC???

Thanks for any insight anyone can share.

John
2022 R1250RT
Hi John - I just did a coast-to-coast round trip last year with the route shown here.

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I departed NH heading west on the southern track on April 20th. The yellow flags were overnight stops, and for me that always means hotels and good food close! :)

From a time stand point it would be 8 days to Los Angeles from NH if I had ridden straight through. (I actually stayed in Dallas 3 nights to see family, and my wife flew out to Las Vegas and we spent 4 nights there.) On the return trip (the northern leg) it was 9 days from San Diego to home (arriving around noon), so very close to your 8 day estimate. (The detour around Lake Michigan wasn't real, I took the ferry from Milwaukee to Muskegon.)

Coming through the Rockies at Denver there was light snow and roads were not 100% but not too bad. (Link to Insta360 video: Grand Tour Vail Pass)

However, a week after I came through they had a big late-season storm and several inches of snow, so you can't ever tell. (Stay informed on the weather and have some back-up routes planned.)

Good luck and have fun!
Larry
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On your way home look up Hwy 12 off 89 in Utah. It will be a treat. Takes multi trips to see the southwest, but this is a good start.
Hello Beech,
Appreciate your reply. Unfortunately my trip back will have a 3 day stop in El Paso TX for a trade show. Will keep that route in mind for my next adventure.

John
Riding 7 hours a day is equivalent to 10 hours with food, fuel, and pit stops.
I have done the trip back and forth many times between southern CA and Bergen County, NJ.
I like to start each morning after breakfast leaving at 6:30AM, then riding until 4-5 PM each day.
I stop for a water break every 2 hours (approximately 110 - 125 miles)... first stop say 8:30 - 9 AM.
I would gas up every other stop (approx. 240 - 250 miles so far), and eat lunch/snacks from say 11 - 11:30 AM.
Then, another water break at 1:30 - 2 PM... with lunch/snacks again, too.
Continue to ride two more hours to about 4 - 5PM and find out where I plan to spend the night... gas up for the morning and do a hotel search.
Usually, I have mapped out 500 mile days before I start my trip.
If I need to alter plans I google hotels wherever I end up.

I count on 5-6 days to cross the approx. 2,500 mile trip.
It usually ends up closer to 3k miles with side trips.
Good luck!
Hi Bob,

Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm an early riser and also like to avoid riding during the evening (unless there's no choice), so your process aligns with my thoughts.

Appreciate your reply and well wishes.

John
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Hi John - I just did a coast-to-coast round trip last year with the route shown here.

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I departed NH heading west on the southern track on April 20th. The yellow flags were overnight stops, and for me that always means hotels and good food close! :)

From a time stand point it would be 8 days to Los Angeles from NH if I had ridden straight through. (I actually stayed in Dallas 3 nights to see family, and my wife flew out to Las Vegas and we spent 4 nights there.) On the return trip (the northern leg) it was 9 days from San Diego to home (arriving around noon), so very close to your 8 day estimate. (The detour around Lake Michigan wasn't real, I took the ferry from Milwaukee to Muskegon.)

Coming through the Rockies at Denver there was light snow and roads were not 100% but not too bad. (Link to Insta360 video: Grand Tour Vail Pass)

However, a week after I came through they had a big late-season storm and several inches of snow, so you can't ever tell. (Stay informed on the weather and have some back-up routes planned.)

Good luck and have fun!
Larry
Hi Larry,

Thanks for the heads-up on Denver weather...it's my primary concern (aside from time in general). Also, having a back-up route just in case is wise advise. Finally, comfortable hotels are a must for my first CC ride...at 59 I need my sleep to recharge! ;-)

Thanks for your reply and well-wishes. Looking forward to putting the R1250 to the test...full confidence she will perform well.

Be well,
John
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Well, I admit that I'm not speaking from specific, personal experience, but maybe a little more from logical deduction.
(You don't need to answer these; they are rhetorical questions for you to consider.)

1) How long have you been riding motorcycles, i.e. what's your experience level, generally?
2) Have you taken 8 to 10 hour day trips before? 3 day trips?

Reason I ask #1 & #2 is that if you haven't done either, don't try this when you have a fixed arrival time that you need to make for business. The reason I also ask #2, is that if you haven't done this previously, you may not be adequately prepared. Do you have a good tool kit mounted, and know how to use it? Tire repair kit & pump? What do you carry for safety and sustenance (i.e. adequate water, some hiking shoes in case you have to hoof it 20 miles for assistance)? Back to #1 & 2: How to you handle a 10 hour riding day, physically? No back issues, great health in general, and so forth?

I also agree with those suggesting adding in extra days & slack time. If I'm riding cross country to an important business meeting, I am AT MINIMUM arriving Friday mid-day, for a Monday morning meeting. You'll probably need a day or two to rest and get your bearings, even if the ride goes smoothly. What's your back-up plan in case of a break down? Tow insurance? Where's the closest dealer? If you break down in Colorado, tow it to a dealer, leave it, maybe for weeks or months if parts are unavailable, do you hop a plane and rent a car in Orange County to make your meeting? That's the kind of contingency backup plan I'm talking about.

What if you hit a storm track? Just keep going through the storm? Through the Rockies, too? Or, do you take a day or three off and sit it out in a motel? What happens to your perfectly planned schedule then?

Do you know what "Spot" is? You're gonna want something like that if you end up down a gully wrecked and immobilized. If you survive and DON'T have one, you're wife is gonna kill you for leaving her in fear for hours, days, maybe .... way longer, until help finds you ... if it does.

I'm tentatively planning much the same kind of thing, but going south from Idaho to California (N to S), then Eastward. The optimum time for such a trip across the Southwest to Southeast is ... well, sometime between now and summer. I won't be ready by then, so that trip may have to happen 2024. If I'm crossing the country during Summer to Fall, I would plan a more Northerly route.

My point is that while I might do the same thing you're doing, I'm planning it pretty far in advance, I plan to take a series of 2 hour, half day, full day, and overnight trips, adjusting my load out along the way, as well as conditioning my body. I KNOW that I'm not ready, and I'm pretty certain that I know how to get ready, logistically as well as physically.

There are PLENTY of riders on this forum and others, lol, particularly the younger folks, who'd take your trip at the drop of a hat. (In fact, I have a friend my age (67 yrs old) in Southern California, had he read this post, who'd be calling me and telling me that he was about to come up to Idaho and stage an intervention, i.e. that I needed a testosterone transplant for being such a wuss.) To each his own ...

... which should be your primary consideration. You do you. Have a great trip!
Hi Scott,

Wow, there's lots to unpack in your reply! Thanks very much for taking the time to ask these questions and offer your advise.

I've been riding since 16 (I'm 59 now) with customary breaks in between to raise a family, work too much, and save for retirement (which I'm planning in the next 2 years). I've done some multi-day trips, but nothing near this trip which I know from speaking to other can be grueling if you're not prepared. I've maintained excellent health with just the normal 50-something aches and pains...fortunately nothing that a Hazy IPA couldn't correct. ;-)

In regard to tools, etc., absolutely have been pulling everything together for the past couple of months in preparation. Having recently had my first local flat tire, I now have a kit (and electronic pump) and well versed in how to use it. Love the idea about hiking boots...that's one that I didn't think about. And from all the replies (including yours), I'm thinking seriously about adding another day.

You outlined some excellent points on breaking down and impact to time. This is the major risk factor (aside from keeping the bike upright!), and I think one I'm prepared to take. I actually gave my boss a heads-up last week while in Irvine CA (our office), so if the SHTF I will schedule a flight from wherever I am. And a satellite communicator (SPOT) is my last item to acquire prior to leaving...must have since I'm traveling alone.

THANK YOU again for your note. This forum is amazing with the amount of experience being shared, and I appreciate yours and everyone's responses.

Have a great day Scott, and all the best in your travels.

Best,
John
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Hi John... you may consider taking a more southern route in April.
It gets cold in them there "hills" crossing the Rockies even in mid-June!
Hi Bob,

If the weather through the Rockies is spotty, I'll certainly be shifting south. I really want the experience of approaching the Rockies from east to west, so I'm keeping my fingers (in my electronically heated gloves!) crossed.

Thanks Bob.

John
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Call the night before for your motel reservation. Many motels book up by 4PM.
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Hi Scott,

Wow, there's lots to unpack in your reply! Thanks very much for taking the time to ask these questions and offer your advise.

I've been riding since 16 (I'm 59 now) with customary breaks in between to raise a family, work too much, and save for retirement (which I'm planning in the next 2 years). I've done some multi-day trips, but nothing near this trip which I know from speaking to other can be grueling if you're not prepared. I've maintained excellent health with just the normal 50-something aches and pains...fortunately nothing that a Hazy IPA couldn't correct. ;-)

In regard to tools, etc., absolutely have been pulling everything together for the past couple of months in preparation. Having recently had my first local flat tire, I now have a kit (and electronic pump) and well versed in how to use it. Love the idea about hiking boots...that's one that I didn't think about. And from all the replies (including yours), I'm thinking seriously about adding another day.

You outlined some excellent points on breaking down and impact to time. This is the major risk factor (aside from keeping the bike upright!), and I think one I'm prepared to take. I actually gave my boss a heads-up last week while in Irvine CA (our office), so if the SHTF I will schedule a flight from wherever I am. And a satellite communicator (SPOT) is my last item to acquire prior to leaving...must have since I'm traveling alone.

THANK YOU again for your note. This forum is amazing with the amount of experience being shared, and I appreciate yours and everyone's responses.

Have a great day Scott, and all the best in your travels.

Best,
John
Aside from all the risks and considerations I detailed (ok, ok, I was bored and couldn't sleep 😁), the main thing to consider is the day to day wear that riding may take on your body. Maybe @nh1200c can chime in here on that point, in view of his recent experience. Two days riding maybe twice as long, but three days might be six times as long, as far as wear and tear are concerned. When you get to day 5, 7, 8, etc., well, you might be a bit tired for your business meetings. 😏 But it sounds like you've got it covered ...

... except for, maybe all the envy from the peanut gallery over on bmwlt.com. 🤣🤣

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Aside from all the risks and considerations I detailed (ok, ok, I was bored and couldn't sleep 😁), the main thing to consider is the day to day wear that riding may take on your body. Maybe @nh1200c can chime in here on that point, in view of his recent experience. Two days riding maybe twice as long, but three days might be six times as long, as far as wear and tear are concerned. When you get to day 5, 7, 8, etc., well, you might be a bit tired for your business meetings. 😏 But it sounds like you've got it covered ...

... except for, maybe all the envy from the peanut gallery over on bmwlt.com. 🤣🤣

🍻🏆
Of course each day offered its own unique personality to the trip, whether it was weather, scenery, traffic, etc., but the longest mileage day for me was only ~650 miles. A big part of my ride, however, is each day's objective as to friends or family who I will be meeting/eating with, or unique opportunities to sightsee, so for me the miles just stream by. When the days get hot and the traffic slow, then it becomes more of a chore and I really look forward to that nice meal, comfortable bed and hot shower at the next hotel.

I will turn 70 in July this year and will (hopefully) get my final states to complete the lower 48. These are the two rides I have planned, the first (Southern route) starting three weeks from today! (On this chart the green pins are single night stops, the red pins multi-night stops.

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Of course each day offered its own unique personality to the trip, whether it was weather, scenery, traffic, etc., but the longest mileage day for me was only ~650 miles. A big part of my ride, however, is each day's objective as to friends or family who I will be meeting/eating with, or unique opportunities to sightsee, so for me the miles just stream by. When the days get hot and the traffic slow, then it becomes more of a chore and I really look forward to that nice meal, comfortable bed and hot shower at the next hotel.

I will turn 70 in July this year and will (hopefully) get my final states to complete the lower 48. These are the two rides I have planned, the first (Southern route) starting three weeks from today! (On this chart the green pins are single night stops, the red pins multi-night stops.

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Larry
Well, I'm a little less than 3 years behind ya, so I'd better get going to try to catch up. I'm a lot of "saddle time" behind!

Good on ya. Keep going, and stay safe! 😏
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Hi Bob,

If the weather through the Rockies is spotty, I'll certainly be shifting south. I really want the experience of approaching the Rockies from east to west, so I'm keeping my fingers (in my electronically heated gloves!) crossed.

Thanks Bob.

John
Thanks, John... yes, amazing to see from the plains of Colorado!
Is your ride a "bucket list" item, or a retirement game plan?
My wife doesn't care to ride and she understands I like to ride.
Each year I head out for a month to see the states.
I call it a family and friends tour.
I am almost ready to head out to attend a memorial service in NJ, and my Dad's 90th birthday in FL by way of WY, ME, Toronto, and NC... and 30 other states.
Do you belong to the MOA?
They have a handy "anonymous book" with members in every state.
There is a phone app, but I also like carrying a hard copy in my travels.
You might want to considering joining to get a copy.
The book has helped me in the past!
I don't leave home without it.


i also have the added coverage for motorcycles from AAA.
I belong to HOG (for my Harley), and I am an AMA member.
Also, I have a card to get into all the National Parks for free as a senior... it is something worth having for me.
Cheers!
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I can neither confirm nor deny that I am in the Anonymous Book. :cool:
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Thanks, John... yes, amazing to see from the plains of Colorado!
Is your ride a "bucket list" item, or a retirement game plan?
My wife doesn't care to ride and she understands I like to ride.
Each year I head out for a month to see the states.
I call it a family and friends tour.
I am almost ready to head out to attend a memorial service in NJ, and my Dad's 90th birthday in FL by way of WY, ME, Toronto, and NC... and 30 other states.
Do you belong to the MOA?
They have a handy "anonymous book" with members in every state.
There is a phone app, but I also like carrying a hard copy in my travels.
You might want to considering joining to get a copy.
The book has helped me in the past!
I don't leave home without it.


i also have the added coverage for motorcycles from AAA.
I belong to HOG (for my Harley), and I am an AMA member.
Also, I have a card to get into all the National Parks for free as a senior... it is something worth having for me.
Cheers!
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for the follow up. I've never really joined any motorcycle clubs, however the MOA with the Anonymous Book seems to be a wise membership considering my desire to continue with long distance rides. I'm 59 and plan to officially retire at 62, however I've decided to leave the corporate world at the end of this year to do something less demanding and stressful for 2 years before officially hanging up the briefcase. The company I work for is based out of Irvine CA, and I thought it might be interesting to do this ride for a customer meeting, and then ride to El Paso on the way back to attend a 3-day trade show before ultimately heading back to West Chester PA. As it stands, the total time away from home will be 20 days. Fortunately my wife is taking my daughter to London for 7 of those days. She likes to go on short around-town rides, but would not last beyond a couple hours.

So, God willing I will amp up my long distance trips into and in retirement. This forum is certainly helping provide the awareness there are many others who are already down the path. That's assuring and helpful...as they say, you don't know what you don't know.

Perhaps our paths will cross at some point. In the meantime, looks like I need to sign up for MOA!

Thanks again Bob.

Regards,
John
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