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fremme said:
Well - it seems to me that I will use the Speaker out option - and use my AKE INNOVA - as on my LT. Then use the bluetooth dongles on the INNOVA - and the 201 bluetooth helm sets.
Then only us the radio/ipod music from the bike - connect the GPS to the INNOVA - by hard wire or use AKE PBM-H2 bluetooth dongle.
Bike2Bike will go through the INNOVA.

Cellphone will then go through the GPS system - and into the INNOVA.

Short version - ALL will be as it is today on the LT!

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Not quite. Today I can hardwire my phone into the com system and use it as a phone...with the Nav system sitting in my garage. If the Nav is now an integral part of the communication system, I suspect that BMW will sell a lot of them...even if they do cost three times as much as the Garmin.
 

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Well - yes - But I have two options :
Let the phone connect to the Garmin - and then to the intercom - or for me - use a AKE PBM-H2 bluetooth dongle - that will connect the AKE intercom with my phone.

There is also a cable to connect the phone directly to the intercom if wanted.

AKE system is "one" way to go - as there are similar option out there.

But for me - it looks like I'm going to use a wired (or semi wired) intercom to mix all the options - and to give the different priorities of sound etc. - as today.

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I’m confused. Are we saying the blue tooth option, other than BMW Communicator, using the left grip controller will not work all functions, i.e., radio, i-pod, Nav IV, phone? My thought had been to upgrade my Nolan 103s wired J&M headsets to J&M Bluetooth. Will this work? Why would BMW do this – it makes no sense to me, other than force someone to buy their communicator, which I’m not sure I know what it is?
 

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I’m confused. Are we saying the blue tooth option, other than BMW Communicator, using the left grip controller will not work all functions, i.e., radio, i-pod, Nav IV, phone? My thought had been to upgrade my Nolan 103s wired J&M headsets to J&M Bluetooth. Will this work? Why would BMW do this – it makes no sense to me, other than force someone to buy their communicator, which I’m not sure I know what it is?
In theory:
You won't be able to use the rotary controller on the left grip to operate the bluetooth communicator in your helmet unless you have the bmw communicator but since it's not available in the US, BMW will have to come up with a different solution, such as permitting Cardo to make the firmware available for the G4. (Cardo makes the communicator for bmw).

(i can still turn up the volume on my G4 b/t communicator by pressing the button on the its side on the side of the helmet, but full operation from the left grip would be a cool touch.. I'm sure they will have something for the US market, and making the firmware available for the G4 would - for once - be the least expensive solution.)
 

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fluffy said:
In theory:
You won't be able to use the rotary controller on the left grip to operate the bluetooth communicator in your helmet unless you have the bmw communicator but since it's not available in the US, BMW will have to come up with a different solution, such as permitting Cardo to make the firmware available for the G4. (Cardo makes the communicator for bmw).

(i can still turn up the volume on my G4 b/t communicator by pressing the button on the its side on the side of the helmet, but full operation from the left grip would be a cool touch.. I'm sure they will have something for the US market, and making the firmware available for the G4 would - for once - be the least expensive solution.)
I do hope your right about them letting cardo upgrade the g4 system but if they do they will not sell many of there own systems in other countries. It costs more for 1 of the bmw systems than it does for a pair of G4's.Anybody who can get the sytem 6 helmet with communicator wont bother because its cheaper to get the G4.
The radio setup is very simular to the rt one and is probably the same unit, what a few people with the rt system have done is fit a bluetooth dongle in the line out coming from the radio.If there is no line out which is highly unlikely you could tap into the speakers.
This will allow you to use the wheel function for volume and anything else its designed to do and you can use whatever bluetooth headset you like.
 

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Since BMW will not be releasing the helmets for the US market maybe they wil get a universal systen similar to what they did with J&M. Only time will tell.
 

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I do hope your right about them letting cardo upgrade the g4 system but if they do they will not sell many of there own systems in other countries. It costs more for 1 of the bmw systems than it does for a pair of G4's.Anybody who can get the sytem 6 helmet with communicator wont bother because its cheaper to get the G4..
True that, but there's always going to be people who don't want a clumsy add on, when they can have a fully integrated system designed for the helmet.

I'm in the clumsy add on crowd, 2 Cardo G4's for $350..

I'm sure there's going to be a solution offered, either from bmw or the aftermarket, in time.
 

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Posted elsewhere that I spoke to and corresponded with the folks at J&M, including the owner. They are fully committed to a solution for the K1600. The first they got to look at one was at the Long Beach show.
 

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sorchilla said:
I’m confused. Are we saying the blue tooth option, other than BMW Communicator, using the left grip controller will not work all functions, i.e., radio, i-pod, Nav IV, phone? My thought had been to upgrade my Nolan 103s wired J&M headsets to J&M Bluetooth. Will this work? Why would BMW do this – it makes no sense to me, other than force someone to buy their communicator, which I’m not sure I know what it is?
Doug, I'm with you. Although we haven't seen if/what connections BMW has
wired in yet, I'm bothered that BMW obviously spent lots of time and
money working out license and use agreements for a prioritized Bluetooth
system instead of demanding that everything (especially the GPS) be
command driven by their multi-controller. Just think how much easier
it would have been to just hard wire in connections for sound, intercom,
and inputs so the owner could easily use what they choose. You would
think that BMW and other manufacturers would see just how much
customer dissatisfaction comes with the high cost and
limited functions of using prioritized GPS/Bluetooth/Apple system.
BMW should just tell them "we'll use your system and you'll pick
up customers, but we won't accept prioritization that limits our
customers to your products"

Go figure that BMW would invent one of the greatest safety
and rider convenience inventions to come along in the last
two decades (the Multi-controller) and then make it not
not fully integrated with their priortized outsourced
electronics.....just like a bad dream but seamingly
quite acceptable to BMW

Perhaps they will get the message when they figure out how
many riders just turn to J&M.
 

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It's distressing to me that they do not seem to have a provision for a FRS/GMRS radio. The LT with both the J&M intercom and the Voice II had a simple plug and play system for the bike to bike radio system. There is no mention of this in any of the literature for the 1600. Does anyone know differently?
 

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I said this on another forum but my issues at this point are:

1. Wireless only. When it works it's great, but wired is always better. Make sure you charge!

2. No PTT (Push to Talk). VOX works great given a set environment, but screen height, side wind, speed change these variable all the time.

3. NO FRS! This to me is the big deal breaker. I am new to BMW (ridding ST1300 now), and I hope there is a third party solution to this.

Still love the integration but I can live with 1 and 2 but item 3 is a kicker. Really no one at BMW thought about bike to bike communications with all the stuff they've put on the K1600 series? WOW!

Dave...
 

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I talked to John at J&M Audio products before I put my deposit on a Silver GTL and he said they were already working a solution for the BMW bluetooth set up and would be released in March 2011.
 

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Berzins said:
I said this on another forum but my issues at this point are:

1. Wireless only. When it works it's great, but wired is always better. Make sure you charge!

2. No PTT (Push to Talk). VOX works great given a set environment, but screen height, side wind, speed change these variable all the time.

3. NO FRS! This to me is the big deal breaker. I am new to BMW (ridding ST1300 now), and I hope there is a third party solution to this.

Still love the integration but I can live with 1 and 2 but item 3 is a kicker. Really no one at BMW thought about bike to bike communications with all the stuff they've put on the K1600 series? WOW!

Dave...
I agree with you completely. However, it gets worse. I sent an email to Jane about my concerns that was forwarded to BMW. I received a response from Sergio Carajal at BMW. He stated that in order to have the 1600 system work properly I would have to purchase the Schuberth helmet. He said that no other aftermarket system would provide the same connectivity to the bluetooth set up on the 1600 other than Schuberth. I sent an email back to him saying the the Schuberth does not fit my head. He responded that the helmets are much better now and he was confident that it would fit. No other option was given other than Schuberth. So, if you want to use the bluetooth on the 1600 with your SO add another $2500 to the cost of the bike and enjoy the pain of the fit, or do without.

He did state that their aftermarket department was working on a solution to the FRS radio but had no idea when it would be available.
 

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What about the stand alone bluetooth device that BMW reps were telling bike show attendees, something like the Cardo G4?
I have no idea. All I know is Sergio said that the BMW Communicator was designed to fit the Schuberth Helmet only. This is a copy of his email:

The new K 1600 GTL comes with a new Bluetooth system for wireless communications. The system supports multiple connections to the Bluetooth BMW Communicator system that we will offer at our dealers shortly. The system will offer the following functionality:



· Wireless streaming of music from any source of the motorcycle’s audio system to the rider’s and passenger’s in-helmet communicator:
The music content can come from the motorcycle’s Sirius satellite radio, AM/FM tuner, iPod connection (iPod not provided), USB stick (stick not provided), or AUX input.

· Intercom between the two helmets

· Wireless Nav IV connection to the rider’s in-helmet communicator

· Individual wireless cell phone connections to the rider’s and passenger’s in-helmet communicator

· Volume control using the multi-controller for the rider’s in-helmet communicator

· Passenger’s in-helmet communicator system can control the motorcycle’s audio system to skip songs / radio stations

· Intercom activation from the motorcycle’s button panel or directly from the in-helmet controls



Third party system will not offer the same level of connectivity. For example, the passenger’s helmet does not receive an audio signal with a third party communicator system and the multi-controller will no longer control volume level. The passengers ability to skip songs operating his/her helmet controls would also not work.



The BMW Communicator system is designed to fit the Schuberth C3 helmet. The helmet comes with the necessary indentations for the battery, headphones and microphone.



Regarding two way radios, that is not something we offer, but I know our Aftersales department is working on a solution, but it is too early to tell when this will be ready and how it will work.



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Wow, just wow. For me and several friends who were considering moving to the BMW, this is just a total deal breaker and incredibly short sighted on BMW's part. It reeks of "our way or the highway" thinking intended to corner a market with proprietary-only features. It most surely is not a technical issue, but a marketing strategy that may cost them a number of buyers. It certainly will in our case. Too bad and unnecessary.
 

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Can't be too surprised, remember a business's goal is too separate you from as much money as possible, your job it to prevent that. The way I use my comm system I have not seen a BT system yet that has the same level of functionality and quality as my Autocomm. I am definitely looking forward to that day but for me it just isn't here yet.
 

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flint350 said:
Wow, just wow. For me and several friends who were considering moving to the BMW, this is just a total deal breaker and incredibly short sighted on BMW's part. It reeks of "our way or the highway" thinking intended to corner a market with proprietary-only features. It most surely is not a technical issue, but a marketing strategy that may cost them a number of buyers. It certainly will in our case. Too bad and unnecessary.
If the system BMW offers isn't going to work for you why make it a deal breaker when it is so easy to set up an aftermarket system? I use a Starcom that works great on my bikes and have seen great systems from J&M, Autocom and Baehr.
 

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I e-mailed John at J&M audio about a month ago. He said they were already working a specific system for the 1600s that would be available sometime in March. :wave
 

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I e-mailed John at J&M audio about a month ago. He said they were already working a specific system for the 1600s that would be available sometime in March. :wave
I am sure you can't answer these but I'm going to ask anyway. B*)

1. CB or FRS. To each their own, but I'm an FRS guy.

2. Will it integrate into the existing system? So you can continue to use the BMW BT audio integration for mobile phone, GPS, audio, etc, but add int the use of FRS?

It just seems to me that depending on who you ask at BMW vs the dealers vs trade shows, the answers seem to be different. Of course that adds to the frustration I think we all have on this.

Dave...
 
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