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Went to dealer today to have trigger wire for PIAA switch wired up. Did a few errands and went home. 2 hours later bikey no start.

PIAA's go off when the key goes off so no issues there, battery is charged and fine (took it to the shop for testing.

Lights work, flashers, signals, instruments, can scroll through all the menu's, etc. Tried all combinations possible kickstand up/down/neutral/clutch in, etc.

Fucker won't start, doesn't even turn over. All I get is the green N but non of the other symbols.

It's a new bike with only 1500-ish miles too. :(
 

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Check battery leads and make sure there good and tight...you can bet it has something to do with the wire job on the lights Ant.
 

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AntRT said:
Went to dealer today to have trigger wire for PIAA switch wired up. Did a few errands and went home. 2 hours later bikey no start.

PIAA's go off when the key goes off so no issues there, battery is charged and fine (took it to the shop for testing.

Lights work, flashers, signals, instruments, can scroll through all the menu's, etc. Tried all combinations possible kickstand up/down/neutral/clutch in, etc.

Fucker won't start, doesn't even turn over. All I get is the green N but non of the other symbols.

It's a new bike with only 1500-ish miles too. :(
Not the reverser gremlin, is it??? :confused: Rotate it back and forth a coupla times anyway. Check the kill switch toooo!!
 

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Check battery leads and make sure there good and tight...you can bet it has something to do with the wire job on the lights Ant.
I brought that up to them and they don't think it's the problem even though it sure is coincidental. Checked the battery leads and they are fine.

They wired the trigger switch to an auxiliary plug that's used for the GPS which they said they've done many times with no issues.

It started up just fine a half dozen times from the shop to home but when parked for two hours at home then it wouldn't start.
 

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Not the reverser gremlin, is it??? :confused: Rotate it back and forth a coupla times anyway. Check the kill switch toooo!!
I rocked that sucker back and forth and nada :(

Malfunction with the anti theft alarm maybe??
 

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I rocked that sucker back and forth and nada :(

Malfunction with the anti theft alarm maybe??
Well, shucks. How many clues does it take for me to realize I'm in the wrong forum?!?!?!?! :( :eek: :( I didn't even know BMW made moto..... I mean, reverse on an RT. I like your suggestion regarding alarm possibility. Hope you get the thing fixed real easy, Ant.
 

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How about a computer re boot. Disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes, then reconnect it. Turn on the ignition do not start, see if you have the proper computer check going on. If so, move the throttle from zero to full throttle and back with deliberation three times. Turn off the ignition, (this is the throttle set procedure). Now turn back on and start the bike after it goes through it's start check. Hope this works.
 

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On his RT the sidestand does not need to be up like on older bikes- as long as its in neutral or clutch disengaged bike should start

The connection for the PIAA harness iis not an issue - that location is commonly used by dealers though many owners prefer any of several other choices

Note that the newer bikes will not crank if the battery voltage is too low even if they've still got a little voltage left to run the lparking lights. The bike needs to start for the headlights to work so I asuume the headlights themselves have not been on again, yet

First step is a battery load test after its been recharged to see if its normal. If it is, then you're going to need a dealership troubleshoot unless you're a good enough mechanic and inclined to run it down. If its bad just put in a new one but not a BMW battery- the preferred battery is an Odyssey PC680.
 

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You might consider trying a jump to eliminate the battery as the problem if you have some cables, a car or a good friend that has one.
 

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How about a computer re boot. Disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes, then reconnect it. Turn on the ignition do not start, see if you have the proper computer check going on. If so, move the throttle from zero to full throttle and back with deliberation three times. Turn off the ignition, (this is the throttle set procedure). Now turn back on and start the bike after it goes through it's start check. Hope this works.
Holy crap it started!

I was getting ready to do what you said above and decided one last try to see if it would start before doing the reboot and it fired right up!

Not sure if this has anything to do with my problem but yesterday it was hot, pushing 90 and my bike sat out in the sun for a few hours. Could this have had anything to do with my problem?

I'm still going to take my bike in for diagnostic, last thing I want is to be stuck somewhere if this happens again.
 

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On his RT the sidestand does not need to be up like on older bikes- as long as its in neutral or clutch disengaged bike should start

The connection for the PIAA harness iis not an issue - that location is commonly used by dealers though many owners prefer any of several other choices

Note that the newer bikes will not crank if the battery voltage is too low even if they've still got a little voltage left to run the lparking lights. The bike needs to start for the headlights to work so I asuume the headlights themselves have not been on again, yet

First step is a battery load test after its been recharged to see if its normal. If it is, then you're going to need a dealership troubleshoot unless you're a good enough mechanic and inclined to run it down. If its bad just put in a new one but not a BMW battery- the preferred battery is an Odyssey PC680.
Headlights work fine and battery was tested and is fully loaded.
 

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Good deal. My K bike did this once. No computer start sequence, no dash information. Cycled the key several times over ten minutes and it lit up again. Makes me wonder about a bad connection somewhere. Our friend, GS-911, a video below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Q_D1InTcQ
 

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Let us know what the dealer says. And I don't think it is the warm weather since I have a 2011 RT and did not have a problem last summer here in Texas. And my bike sat around all summer and I just took it infor it's 600 mile service the other day. Now I am going to go try starting it to see if it has the dealer jinx. Good Luck.
 

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Let us know what the dealer says. And I don't think it is the warm weather since I have a 2011 RT and did not have a problem last summer here in Texas. And my bike sat around all summer and I just took it infor it's 600 mile service the other day. Now I am going to go try starting it to see if it has the dealer jinx. Good Luck.
Will definately let you know what the dealer says.
 

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I have not heard many problems with the fuel pump controller on 2011's but the older RT's were known for it.

My friend has a 2006 RT that did this several times before the FPC failed completely and he was stuck. It did show as a fault on the GS-911 as "fuel pump electronics".

In order to verify it, I jumpered the FPC connector directly to the battery and it started right up. We then replaced the FPC.


HTH,

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Glad its going.

Just for fun, pull off the upper left hand side tupperware and take at close look at the 3-wire/pin connector there in the well where the fuel pump and fuel lines are.

You can pull the 3-wire connector off. That will be the Fuel Pump Controller (FPC). If there is any corrosion or spooge (technical term) in in/on or around it. That is likely your problem/cause/solution. Yes, it will cause a no-start condition, or even a stop while running condition.

There is an updated FPC... if your bike is still under warranty they ought to replace it with the new model.

While you are there... look at the quick disconnect where one of the fuel lines goes to/from the tank. This is also in the little "well" sitting on top of the tank. Look closely around this connection and notice the black plastic ring that is visible. look closely to detect if there are any cracks. It will not keep you from running but you are there anyway now. Take a good look. There is an update to this ring area as well and they will replace it for you- if You are under warranty.

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I have not heard many problems with the fuel pump controller on 2011's but the older RT's were known for it.

My friend has a 2006 RT that did this several times before the FPC failed completely and he was stuck. It did show as a fault on the GS-911 as "fuel pump electronics".

In order to verify it, I jumpered the FPC connector directly to the battery and it started right up. We then replaced the FPC.


HTH,

Ron
I don't think it was the fuel pump because I wasn't getting all the pre-start symbols like the red triangle, ASC, etc. Just got back from a quickie 60 mile run and knock on wood (taps heads) it starts just fine. Still taking it in for a checkup next week.
 

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Gremlins. Bad ju-ju. Though it seems fine now, I'd certainly get thee back to ye olde favorit' dealer and get them to sort this out.

Bikes don't just 'not turn over' without a reason. There should be some error codes in the computer they can retrieve. The only other thing I can think of is the EWS ring. On your scooter, it should be squared away but the symptom is similar to yours.

Question: is your key on a ring with other keys? If so, are any of them 'chipped'? If so, remove your scooter key and use it without the other keys on the ring and the problem may mysteriously resolve itself.

With other keys on the ring, the EWS has been known to pick up signals that lock it out. Even simply moving the keys around on the ring have allowed it to clear and let it start.

In the FWIW department: I ride an 07. I always carry two parts [not saying you need to] a new replacement EWS and a new replacement FPC.

Good luck in getting this sorted quickly.
 

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One step ahead of you: tried my spare key yesterday during gremlin day and nada. No other chipped key on the RT ring btw.

At least I finally got my lights hooked up!

1100X PIAA
 

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