What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT
Well, it sounds like you have asked a question only to promote the answer you wanted to hear. You have found Seth Laam seats to be good enough for you. So, why bash the industry leader? It appears you have never owned a Russell.The best seat maker I found 'so far' is Seth Laam. I have had 3 seat shaped by him in three different bike and they were about as good as a seat can be made without having to raise it. If you have to add two inches worth of material/spring to a seat to make it comfortable, that ain't no accomplishment. I can stuff a pillow under a seat and make it more comfortable. A good seat maker can shape a seat well enough to make it comfortable for you--particularly.
I am not bashing anyone sir, I do agree that RDL is at least one of the best seats if the height is acceptable to you.Well, it sounds like you have asked a question only to promote the answer you wanted to hear. You have found Seth Laam seats to be good enough for you. So, why bash the industry leader? It appears you have never owned a Russell.
As for adding two inches of material or springs to seat to make it comfortable, that is a gross exaggeration. If referring to Russell seats, and I assume that is your subject as they are the only ones to add springs. Yes, you will sit taller. But not two inches. Accomplishment? Well, just observe the start of any Iron Butt rally and count the Russell seats. Then, if you have time, count the other brands.
Good postIn my experience with a RDL on my RTW (and an FJR before that) it isn't so much a change in height of the seat that causes problems at a stop - for me it was the fact that the seat is a bit wider in front. It was fairly easy to learn to slide forward a bit when stopping to allow better foot contact on the ground.
On my FJR I did a ride-in appointment and they were able to make adjustments to the front of the seat while building it to address the issue.
I'm not sure it is any higher while settled in for the long haul. I haven't measured it, but also haven't sat there thinking about how much higher I was seated either. In fact, I really didn't think about the seat at all...which is kind of the desired outcome I suppose.
IMHO BMW's stock seats are terrible. I have owned only one BMW in 52 years that had a comfortable stock seat -- the K1200LT. All the rest have had to be replaced by aftermarket saddles. I heard that one rider asked a BMW rep why BMW doesn't sell comfortable stock seats on its bikes. His response was that they don't look nice. My current saddle on my R1200RTW is an RDL. It is comfortable. Could BMW offer comfortable stock seats? Of course it could. But don't expect one any time soon -- if ever.Good post
One RT I bought with an OEM low seat and ough ouch!!! by the time I was half way down the West coast from WA my rear-buttso was numb. I scrambled into a cycle gear for a jelly-pad with which I barely made it to Diego without losing my nalgas along the way..
I am sorry I seemed to offend you. I will stick to what I wrote as I think it was true, maybe a bit crude or blunt. When you start a thread with "What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT", and then write "Seth Laam seats are the best I have found" that opens one up for a discussion.I did not post to hear my own answer. I would appreciate if you recant that judgement. As I stated, I posted in case there might have been something that came in the market which I have not heard of since my last RT.
If in anyway I might have implied any derogatory remark toward any of your favorite seats, I do apologize. Not my intention at all.
And would guess and hope, that my own idiosyncrasies with maintaining the OEM seat height did not infringe on your sentiments regarding the RDL.
I wish there was a way to make a seat as comfortable as the RDL without raising the seat height; apparently, that is option is not in the market still.
I am sorry I seemed to offend you. I will stick to what I wrote as I think it was true, maybe a bit crude or blunt. When you start a thread with "What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT", and then write "Seth Laam seats are the best I have found" that opens one up for a discussion.
My interpretation of this thread is one that I have seen before. It is exceedingly rare for a Russell seat customer to ever mention wanting to try another brand/seat maker. Yes there are those that do not like a Russell, but they are very few. Yet, over the years, I cannot count how many threads I read about owners buying ( insert brand/maker here ) seats and then adding sheepskins, airhawks, gel pads, and so on trying to get them comfortable. In my mind this thread was about someone wanting to see if there is something better than what they have now.
I do understand that height can be a hurdle to some. And if you think you simply cannot live with that, and don't want to spend the money in case it simply cannot be overcome, I get that.
I hope I can buy you some lunch or favorite beverage when we meet up some day!
Hahahahahhaaa. That is really hilarious.Funny you should write about how things are perceived or taken on forums.
You obviously are looking forward to a cup of the best coffee you have ever had at my humble estate. However, it is about 800 miles to get into Missouri from here in Texas where I live. Not a bit above meeting there sometime, as I simply love to go to Cotter, Arkansas occasionally.
Since "Missouri City" is a suburb on the Southwest side of Houston, Texas, you can see how things can easily get discombobulated when reading forums! :grin: