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Part of making a seat comfortable for LONG rides is surface area. Russell Day-Long seats have the most "surface area" of any aftermarket seat for the RT. 1 to 1 1/2" taller? When sitting on it that might be true. When putting your feet down, not quite so much. They can build the front half more narrow, allowing you to slide forward when you stop and put your legs down. Height is important, but the width of the seat means just as much. Making the front more narrow allows your legs to be more vertical. Learning the habit to slide forward at stops becomes second nature. These seats are not that much taller when you learn how to use them.

I would rather be on tip toes for the 1/2% of the time I am riding than putting up with a sore butt!

I tried several different brands of off the shelf aftermarket seats, along with "custom" seats on my old RT. Nothing was in the same league as the Russell. Put one on the new RT first thing and have not had ANY desire to even try something else!
 

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Set the R1200RTW's seat in the LOW position.

I started out that way, but after the seat was broken in I switched the RT to the high position.
 
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I have Sargent seats on my ‘06 RT and ‘07 K1200GT (and on previous bikes) and can ride all day without discomfort in my butt. I’ve done 600+ mile days stopping only for gas, lunch, bathroom, and not having to stop for butt relief.

Many good seats are available, Sargent is jut my preference.

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Here is my report on seats, I asked the questions about seat in case I had missed something new that might have come out for the RT/s since my last one.

I had a Sargent on an 09 RT and it was good

I had another sargent on a 2014 and it allowed a lot of vibration up through the frame to my butt at slab speeds. Did not like it.

The problem with the RDL is altered height, if you don't mind that they are probably, at least, one of the best seats. Even if you get used to the tip-toeing, your riding position is higher and that effects aerodynamics as well as leaning over into the bar even more.

I have had disastrous seat experiences with Corbin, the Meyer brothers (both), and ultimate.

The best seat maker I found 'so far' is Seth Laam. I have had 3 seat shaped by him in three different bike and they were about as good as a seat can be made without having to raise it. If you have to add two inches worth of material/spring to a seat to make it comfortable, that ain't no accomplishment. I can stuff a pillow under a seat and make it more comfortable. A good seat maker can shape a seat well enough to make it comfortable for you--particularly.
 

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The best seat maker I found 'so far' is Seth Laam. I have had 3 seat shaped by him in three different bike and they were about as good as a seat can be made without having to raise it. If you have to add two inches worth of material/spring to a seat to make it comfortable, that ain't no accomplishment. I can stuff a pillow under a seat and make it more comfortable. A good seat maker can shape a seat well enough to make it comfortable for you--particularly.
Well, it sounds like you have asked a question only to promote the answer you wanted to hear. You have found Seth Laam seats to be good enough for you. So, why bash the industry leader? It appears you have never owned a Russell.

As for adding two inches of material or springs to seat to make it comfortable, that is a gross exaggeration. If referring to Russell seats, and I assume that is your subject as they are the only ones to add springs. Yes, you will sit taller. But not two inches. Accomplishment? Well, just observe the start of any Iron Butt rally and count the Russell seats. Then, if you have time, count the other brands.
 

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Well, it sounds like you have asked a question only to promote the answer you wanted to hear. You have found Seth Laam seats to be good enough for you. So, why bash the industry leader? It appears you have never owned a Russell.

As for adding two inches of material or springs to seat to make it comfortable, that is a gross exaggeration. If referring to Russell seats, and I assume that is your subject as they are the only ones to add springs. Yes, you will sit taller. But not two inches. Accomplishment? Well, just observe the start of any Iron Butt rally and count the Russell seats. Then, if you have time, count the other brands.
I am not bashing anyone sir, I do agree that RDL is at least one of the best seats if the height is acceptable to you.

The 1.5--2 inch raise in height was quoted to me two years ago by RDL's customer service who answered the phone. I should double check on that per your inference to make sure they might have figured out something different.

I did not post to hear my own answer. I would appreciate if you recant that judgement. As I stated, I posted in case there might have been something that came in the market which I have not heard of since my last RT.

If in anyway I might have implied any derogatory remark toward any of your favorite seats, I do apologize. Not my intention at all.

And would guess and hope, that my own idiosyncrasies with maintaining the OEM seat height did not infringe on your sentiments regarding the RDL.

I wish there was a way to make a seat as comfortable as the RDL without raising the seat height; apparently, that is option is not in the market still.
 

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I think the 1.5 - 2" is an exaggeration, it's 1 - 1.5", ask me how I know. When I put my new seat on last spring, after getting the bike out of storage, I scared the hell out of myself when I found I was on the tips of my toes. I called Russel, they said it will relax a bit, and it has, but if not happy to send it back and they would adjust. The seat solved my leg pain problem and I'm happy with it. I'm doing more "one footin" now, and have gotten used to it. No difference in aerodynamics found due to this slight difference.
 

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In my experience with a RDL on my RTW (and an FJR before that) it isn't so much a change in height of the seat that causes problems at a stop - for me it was the fact that the seat is a bit wider in front. It was fairly easy to learn to slide forward a bit when stopping to allow better foot contact on the ground.

On my FJR I did a ride-in appointment and they were able to make adjustments to the front of the seat while building it to address the issue.

I'm not sure it is any higher while settled in for the long haul. I haven't measured it, but also haven't sat there thinking about how much higher I was seated either. In fact, I really didn't think about the seat at all...which is kind of the desired outcome I suppose.
 

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In my experience with a RDL on my RTW (and an FJR before that) it isn't so much a change in height of the seat that causes problems at a stop - for me it was the fact that the seat is a bit wider in front. It was fairly easy to learn to slide forward a bit when stopping to allow better foot contact on the ground.

On my FJR I did a ride-in appointment and they were able to make adjustments to the front of the seat while building it to address the issue.

I'm not sure it is any higher while settled in for the long haul. I haven't measured it, but also haven't sat there thinking about how much higher I was seated either. In fact, I really didn't think about the seat at all...which is kind of the desired outcome I suppose.
Good post

Indeed not even noticing the seat is indicative of sitting-comfort-excellence.

My problem is that I ride in a very crowded metro for 9 months out of the year, and the tip-toeing around lights, cars and stop signs is not good for me.

I am also an old fart and I come from days when riders would sit 'inside' a bike (ala chopper) and these sitting up 'on-top' of the bike has been an adjustment for me. One RT I bought with an OEM low seat and ough ouch!!! by the time I was half way down the West coast from WA my rear-buttso was numb. I scrambled into a cycle gear for a jelly-pad with which I barely made it to Diego without losing my nalgas along the way..

I may try the RDL again if they can do something for me on the height.I like to learn that slide forward trick. Thank for your post
 

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Good post

One RT I bought with an OEM low seat and ough ouch!!! by the time I was half way down the West coast from WA my rear-buttso was numb. I scrambled into a cycle gear for a jelly-pad with which I barely made it to Diego without losing my nalgas along the way..
IMHO BMW's stock seats are terrible. I have owned only one BMW in 52 years that had a comfortable stock seat -- the K1200LT. All the rest have had to be replaced by aftermarket saddles. I heard that one rider asked a BMW rep why BMW doesn't sell comfortable stock seats on its bikes. His response was that they don't look nice. My current saddle on my R1200RTW is an RDL. It is comfortable. Could BMW offer comfortable stock seats? Of course it could. But don't expect one any time soon -- if ever.
 

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In respect to all that have responded, am glad you have found what you need! Is not an easy task, and no
other rider can tell you what will work for you! If you have ever had the chance to sit on the bike with
wet shorts, will notice a limited area that actually is wet! A seat does not have to be so large to be comfortable.
And the wider, the les comfortable for the inseam challenged riders. The material that the cover is made of makes a huge difference.
A soft leather is great, yet requires attention and maintenance. The foam density is also a major factor. A layer of gel makes a huge difference. Airhawk works great for me. Ad a covering of sheepskin and it makes it even better. To bad you have to worry about removing them when parked. They tend to walk away when are not under supervision! In my case, am trying out my modified extra low seat with a gel sheet under the cover, and soft lather.
Am still expecting to use the Alaskan sheepskin cover on the long runs, https://alaskaleather.com/collections/sheepskin-buttpads
makes a pleasant difference. Cool when summer hot, warm when off season is here.
 

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I’m in the same boat (or bike) as you. I bought a OEM Low with my new RTW, what a poor comfort wise for me, 31” inseam. After 1500 butt-burning miles. I installed the OEM regular height seat and even though I can’t plant both seat, I sat in a much better position anyway with the regular height. But IMO the stock seat after 500 miles is a torture rack absolutely.

RDL is a great seat, and maybe it could it could work for me, IF it was built narrow in the front, as everyone’s previous thoughts are very valid here bout his seats. I have a couple of friends that have his seats and they love ‘em.

But Seth Lamm is also an excellent seat builder, and he’s 100 miles away from me. Some of his recent seats on his Facebook page for the RTW bikes look damn nice.

One of these two builders will get my $$$.$$ very soon
Good luck with your decision
Cheers!
 

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I did not post to hear my own answer. I would appreciate if you recant that judgement. As I stated, I posted in case there might have been something that came in the market which I have not heard of since my last RT.

If in anyway I might have implied any derogatory remark toward any of your favorite seats, I do apologize. Not my intention at all.

And would guess and hope, that my own idiosyncrasies with maintaining the OEM seat height did not infringe on your sentiments regarding the RDL.

I wish there was a way to make a seat as comfortable as the RDL without raising the seat height; apparently, that is option is not in the market still.
I am sorry I seemed to offend you. I will stick to what I wrote as I think it was true, maybe a bit crude or blunt. When you start a thread with "What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT", and then write "Seth Laam seats are the best I have found" that opens one up for a discussion.

My interpretation of this thread is one that I have seen before. It is exceedingly rare for a Russell seat customer to ever mention wanting to try another brand/seat maker. Yes there are those that do not like a Russell, but they are very few. Yet, over the years, I cannot count how many threads I read about owners buying ( insert brand/maker here ) seats and then adding sheepskins, airhawks, gel pads, and so on trying to get them comfortable. In my mind this thread was about someone wanting to see if there is something better than what they have now.

I do understand that height can be a hurdle to some. And if you think you simply cannot live with that, and don't want to spend the money in case it simply cannot be overcome, I get that.

I hope I can buy you some lunch or favorite beverage when we meet up some day!
 

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I am sorry I seemed to offend you. I will stick to what I wrote as I think it was true, maybe a bit crude or blunt. When you start a thread with "What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT", and then write "Seth Laam seats are the best I have found" that opens one up for a discussion.

My interpretation of this thread is one that I have seen before. It is exceedingly rare for a Russell seat customer to ever mention wanting to try another brand/seat maker. Yes there are those that do not like a Russell, but they are very few. Yet, over the years, I cannot count how many threads I read about owners buying ( insert brand/maker here ) seats and then adding sheepskins, airhawks, gel pads, and so on trying to get them comfortable. In my mind this thread was about someone wanting to see if there is something better than what they have now.

I do understand that height can be a hurdle to some. And if you think you simply cannot live with that, and don't want to spend the money in case it simply cannot be overcome, I get that.

I hope I can buy you some lunch or favorite beverage when we meet up some day!



Well certainly forum writing can lead to erroneous inferences in semantics. I thought I clearly expressed my intention. You may want to re-read your quoting me incorrectly, I said: "Seth Laam was the best seat maker I found SO FAR"; supporting my inquiry for any seat for the RT that I might have missed during my BMW absence. Apparently, you missed-quoted me there because that part is missing in your justification for being rude and blunt.

I do look forward to meeting you indeed. When I am that way, I ride mostly through the lower part of the East as my daughter lives in Brooklyn where I hang out for a bit during Summers. If I ride up to MO one of these days, I will drop you a pm and take you up on a good Missourrian cup of coffee. I can handle blunt and rude and I like to argue, I think inherit that from my daughter. So I am totally cool with you brother. No hard feeling at all.:laugh:
 

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Funny you should write about how things are perceived or taken on forums.

You obviously are looking forward to a cup of the best coffee you have ever had at my humble estate. However, it is about 800 miles to get into Missouri from here in Texas where I live. Not a bit above meeting there sometime, as I simply love to go to Cotter, Arkansas occasionally.

Since "Missouri City" is a suburb on the Southwest side of Houston, Texas, you can see how things can easily get discombobulated when reading forums! :grin:
 

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Funny you should write about how things are perceived or taken on forums.

You obviously are looking forward to a cup of the best coffee you have ever had at my humble estate. However, it is about 800 miles to get into Missouri from here in Texas where I live. Not a bit above meeting there sometime, as I simply love to go to Cotter, Arkansas occasionally.

Since "Missouri City" is a suburb on the Southwest side of Houston, Texas, you can see how things can easily get discombobulated when reading forums! :grin:
Hahahahahhaaa. That is really hilarious.

Well you can count on that cup of Texan coffee soon enough then, cause I travel through San Antonio and Dallas every Summer. I do consider myself a resident and member of the Citizens Republic of Texas. Though I don't live there anymore.

This Summer I might stop in Houston to get a Klock Werks 'Quiet Ride' shield from them guys, so save your money: I usually drink two cups at a time.
 
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