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All, a friend of mine found this 2003 LT with 51K km for 3700 euro(~4070usd). The current owner told us that the ABS Integral Unit has a problem and needs replace. He described the problem as follows:
He tried to vent the unit but it keeps air in it. He could not vent it properly. Authorized dealer asked him 500 euro to repair it and promised it will work fine.
What's your opinion? Should he go for it or the ABS unit is not repairable but only replaceable with a new one? What should I advise him?
 

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Some have bypassed the ABS on servo models like that. They get along fine. A new pump would cost half the price of that bike. I'd ride it without ABS.
 

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He tried to vent the unit but it keeps air in it. He could not vent it properly. Authorized dealer asked him 500 euro to repair it and promised it will work fine.
he might as well learn how to bleed these brakes because he'll do it every year. A full factory bleed is probably called for here but you can short-cut it a bit if the system is working right. Here is a good thread to start: http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/k1200lt/128105-brake-fluid.html

If you get stuck google "bmw k1200lt iabs bleed F1 R1" and start reading. There are various guides and youtube vids on it.
-kent
 

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The original price seems about right BUT with the known problem, not so good. I ask the seller to lower the price by the cost of the repair/override OR at least lower the price by half of the cost of repair/bypass.
 

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Thanks Kent. We 'll check the thread.
Jim, your advise puts us in deep thoughts. I will advise him to trade tougher. We 'll see what he comes up with. Thanks.
 

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That price seems ok for that year IF the ABS is working normally. That said, I would ask the seller to have it repaired and verified. If you have him give you an allowance/reduction for the repairs, what do you do if the dealer's first impression was wrong and it is determined that the ABS unit is bad and needs to be replaced?

I'll tell you what... you will have paid more than 50% MORE than what the bike might be worth.
 

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Based on the price for repair quoted, it sounds more like the dealer will be bleeding the air out of the system than replacing the ABS unit. Taking off and putting back on the tupperware plays a big part of the cost when getting any work done by a third party.

I would be inclined to offer the reduced price to allow for the dealer's cost to repair the ABS, watch the videos and then bleed the brakes yourself.

The only time the dealer has touched my bike is when I had them mount new tires on it and I had someone else install aftermarket shocks/springs. Other than those two times, I've done all the work myself. John Zeiler (our premier LT guru) also used it as the maintenance demo at this year's CCR in Coeur d'Alene when we did the valve check, so I guess you could say that I've had others work on it three times. :bmw:
 

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The current owner already said the ABS unit needs to be replaced.
Yes, saw that, but I also read that the dealer stated could fix for $500, and those assessments appear incongruent. This is why I suggested that the repairs be done first rather than just a $500 adjestment is sought.

If the ABS unit needs to be replaced, do you know of anyone who could do it for $500? Parts ($2400) plus $500 for labor even seems like reach.
 

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Yes, saw that, but I also read that the dealer stated could fix for $500, and those assessments appear incongruent. This is why I suggested that the repairs be done first rather than just a $500 adjestment is sought.

If the ABS unit needs to be replaced, do you know of anyone who could do it for $500? Parts ($2400) plus $500 for labor even seems like reach.
Deputy5211, the seller said that he wouldn't repair the problem and this is the reason he sells at 3700 euro. Otherwise he said "I'd sell the bike for around 6000 euro if it had no problem".
As I understand he just wants to get rid of the bike because the repair is expensive for his technical skills and just names the repair at 500 euro to trick the buyer.
 

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Hi, in my opinion is this a very good price, more than fair.
Even if you cant bleed it and you need a repair that cost you about 700,- Euro from R&H Elektronik Germany or somewhere else in the US.
For a 2003 LT you pay here across the pond about 4000,- / 6000,- Euro.
So I would go for it.

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Are there any other k1200LTs available in your area? What is the price of those? Don't take the seller's word for it.

Now we know the 500 was just a guess by the owner. I haven't priced any ABS units and hope I never have to...oh great, where is some wood around here for me knock on, everything is plastic or fake wood...now, I am in trouble...what if I throw salt over my shoulder...no, I think that is for something else...

There might be some European options for the repair that are better priced than what we can do in the USA. The BMWs are all over the place in Europe.
 

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That's right but the prices are higher over here then in the states.
I bought my 2005 in SF or close by. Used the bike for some Years in the US and shipped it over to Germany because I have had some trouble with registration in FL. I sold my 2001 German LT and ride now the 2005 Us Bike. Must say it was a lot cheaper to do it this way then buy a 2005 over here.
I doubt that you can find a 2003 in good condition over here for that price.

Hope this will help you

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Hi, in my opinion is this a very good price, more than fair.
Even if you cant bleed it and you need a repair that cost you about 700,- Euro from R&H Elektronik Germany or somewhere else in the US.
For a 2003 LT you pay here across the pond about 4000,- / 6000,- Euro.
So I would go for it.
Thanks Manfred. Can you please give me a link of R&H Electronik so I check with them if and how much is the repair cost?
 

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With a Mity-Vac there is an easy way to replace/flush the fluid and eliminate all air without removing any body work or even lifting the seat.
It is not the BMW way, but it is quick and a little messy.

If you look at the Brake circuit diagrams, you will figure it out.
I have done it to several LT's, mine and friends and all have worked perfectly with new fluid. It is about a twenty minute job to do front and rear.

No I will not explain. Some of the old curmudgeons on this site will flame if you don't go exactly by what the BMW manual states.
 

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I would be interested in the way how you do that.
Took me allways longer with a lot of bodywork and was afraid that something goes wrong.
So let us know :wink:.

Manfred
 

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With a Mity-Vac there is an easy way to replace/flush the fluid and eliminate all air without removing any body work or even lifting the seat.
It is not the BMW way, but it is quick and a little messy.

If you look at the Brake circuit diagrams, you will figure it out.
I have done it to several LT's, mine and friends and all have worked perfectly with new fluid. It is about a twenty minute job to do front and rear.

No I will not explain. Some of the old curmudgeons on this site will flame if you don't go exactly by what the BMW manual states.
C'mon, it's a free Democracy governed forum. Please enlighten us. I will need to bleed my LT soon.
 
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