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Just took the bike out for a quick ride and my ABS fault indicator light tells me we've got a problem.

Hoping for something simple like a dirty sensor, etc.. I got the worst news from Beaudry Motorsports... the unit is shot.

2001 LTC with only 15,000 miles (that's another story!). Always dealer serviced on time.

Dealer tells me the replacement part is $2,100, plus 7 hours labor at $67.00/hour ($2,600).

That's 15% of my original purchase price, brand new.

That's not going to happen.. just ruined my bike.

Unbelievable! I'm done with the LT's.

Anyone with a similar problem?

Makes me want to go back to riding my Japanese sport bikes that only needed oil changes, easy tune-ups and tires....

Anyone wanna buy my bike?

Mike
 

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Oh.. I have brakes.. just not the ABS function.

Constant red lights flashing at me telling me my bike is a piece of crap!

Takes all the joy out riding...

I'm not bitter... ;^)
 

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mikek12ltc said:
Just took the bike out for a quick ride and my ABS fault indicator light tells me we've got a problem.

Hoping for something simple like a dirty sensor, etc.. I got the worst news from Beaudry Motorsports... the unit is shot.

2001 LTC with only 15,000 miles (that's another story!). Always dealer serviced on time.

Dealer tells me the replacement part is $2,100, plus 7 hours labor at $67.00/hour ($2,600).

That's 15% of my original purchase price, brand new.

That's not going to happen.. just ruined my bike.

Unbelievable! I'm done with the LT's.

Anyone with a similar problem?

Makes me want to go back to riding my Japanese sport bikes that only needed oil changes, easy tune-ups and tires....

Anyone wanna buy my bike?

Mike
Did Beaudry Motorsports put the bike on the computer to check the ABS unit, or did they just deduct from the symptoms? I am not familiar with them or their reputation...
The low mileage is irrelevant. In fact it may be the reason for a potential failure if the bike sat still for a long time...
But I still would try a complete flush of the brake system and be sure the ABS unit is faulty before spending that kind of cash. I suppose you already tried topping off the rear reservoirs and that your pads have enough thickness.
Just a thought, but you may want to check beemerboneyard.com and eBay for a good used unit...
 

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Not to disparage the dealer, but I went into shock when my ABS light would not go off. Topped of the brake resevoirs and all is well. I have the same milage as you on a 2002.
 

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The bike was on the dealer computer and indicated a hard fault on the unit itself.

I'm still in discussions with them re: what to do, and no work has been done yet.

I will certainly try these options first (they actually sound reasonable). It would be great if that takes care of the problem. We'll see...

Onward...

Thanks!!
 

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First thing I would do is to take the connectors off the abs unit and put them back on a few times and then apply a little dialectric greese and reinstall then check to see if she is still faulted. A little corrosion or bad connection can cause a lot of problems. Best of all this check is free.
 

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mikek12ltc said:
The bike was on the dealer computer and indicated a hard fault on the unit itself.

I'm still in discussions with them re: what to do, and no work has been done yet.

I will certainly try these options first (they actually sound reasonable). It would be great if that takes care of the problem. We'll see...

Onward...

Thanks!!
It depends on the alignment of the planets and the mood of the customer service agent, but give BMW Customer service a call. Be reasonable, but firm and concise.

(800) 831-1117 option #4
 

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It depends on the alignment of the planets and the mood of the customer service agent, but give BMW Customer service a call. Be reasonable, but firm and concise.

(800) 831-1117 option #4
I tried that when mine went out ,...........
BMW said Sorry but since I was three years out of warranty
Portland Motorcycle replaced mine for $2400
They gave me a break on labor as I just had $6000.00 of body work done from the accident (Which was caused by no ABS)
 

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>>>The bike was on the dealer computer and indicated a hard fault on the unit itself.


When the abs faulted on my 2001 LT on the way to Curve Cowboy this August, I had the same fears. I stopped by Blue Moon near Atlanta while at the reunion and the intial fault on the computer was the dreaded abs unit failure with a recommendation to replace. The mechanic cycled my abs unit with the computer which cleared the fault for now and my lights aren't flashing. Did your dealer try to do a reset for you?

My unit is probably failing, because it frequently tries to reset with a loud clunk when I'm pulling away from stoplights. It hasn't faulted again yet...but I'm sure it will eventually. Those of us with 1999-2001 machines are "lucky" enough I guess to still have brakes when the abs unit faults because we don't have the linked servo power brakes. The abs unit itself is supposedly cheaper for those model years as well. Check out the various parts fiches available online such as the one of Max's BMW website. Unless the price has recently gone up, the last price I remember was about $1500 for the 99-01 unit. Like everything else...I'm sure that's subject to change.

I'd sure be curious to know how many folk have needed abs unit replacements. It's said to be the most expensive part on the bike. I'm trying to decide what to do when my finally dies. With normal braking functions retained on the older machines, it may be hard to justify replacing the unit if I have to spend $2-3 k on a bike that probably only books for $8-9 k!! Any thoughts on that one guys?

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Paul Rakestraw
South Bend, In
 

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Greetings Mike.

What a monumentally annoying situation....and the cost factor too. I truly feel for you.

Both the ABS sensors on my '99 LT failed simultaneously about 6 months ago. At around AU$250 each new, I hunted around and found two good ones from the boys at Beamerboneyard. Now I haven't had them "gapped" yet as that will be done on its next service when she reaches 45,000km. Yes, that's correct. Both sensors died at around the 30,000 kilometre mark. Pretty bloody ordinary I thought. In spite of the low mileage or kilometre-age, BMW didn't want anything to do with me.

I think the suggestion of checking out the Beamerboneyard is a great idea. Hey, they ship parts here to Australia, they can go anywhere. Don't loose all hope, check out their website and I'm sure they can help you get your ABS back running and make your bike great again.

Kindest regards

Paul Harrington
AU
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I have the same problem with my 2000 LT, and it had just around 12000 miles when it started. The dealer was able to shut it off for awhile (2 X's actually) and suggested the next time a flush--which I have not done yet. I did add fluid to the brakes, but that didn't help. Like you, I am a bit miffed that a "quality" bike would have its ABS system go out so soon, and it does make me wonder. However, the brakes work fine (in fact i think the anti lock braking system is working sometimes) So I am going to put tape over the blinking lights and just ride the damn thing. I will try the flush first however. jrlakin
 

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The ABS unit went out on my '00 LT. My dealer went to bat for me with BMW. The deal was that there would be no charge for the unit, if I would pay for the labor. I will gladly take that deal and any more like it all day long.

Good Luck.
 

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ABS Modulater Fault Code Update!

Thanks for all your responses and support during these extremely difficult times ~<;^)

My LT is back home and road ready!

So... I informed my dealer there was no way I was going to pay $2,100 plus labor for a new unit, they got BMW on the horn and BMW instructed my dealer to remove and service the solenoid body and replace the check balls. This was done and it cleared the fault code.

Beaudry Motorsports rocks!

WTF are "check balls"?? "It's all ball bearings nowadays" - Fletch/ChevyChase!!

Riding around for about 60 miles this morning, I am noticing the distinct clunking sound on random starts from lights, etc., like it always does initially at start-up. So who knows how long this will last or what.. I'm just happy to have my bike back.

They only charged me $100 labor (1.5 hours) for this issue. Time will tell...

I love my LT again. Instead of wanting to dump it and get the new Adventure.. I now want to keep the LT AND get the new Adventure! <8^0

Thanks for your support!!

Breaking out my heated vest...

Mike
 

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WTF are "check balls"??
They are used as check valves, with a spring behind them to hold them closed against an orifice. You'll find lots of them in GM's automatic transmission valve bodies.
 

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Fellow riders.....I hate to admit it (because I loved my 2000 LTC and my 2005 LT) for so many things.....but the repair and maint costs on these machines is beyond belief. Then I sold the 2005 because I was so pissed off at the lack of support from the dealer and manufacturer over the "head shake" issue at 1000 miles. "Dont let go of the handlebars" is the solution to a head shake issue???? WTF???? NO WAY....I did'nt pay $20,000 plus for a bike to get a head shake that only affects a minority of the machines only to be told to not let go of the handlebars. Why should I have to pay for new tires at 1000 miles to "check if that takes care of it"???? Oh no....I had enough. They chased me away as a customer over this issue. I hate the thought of going to the Harley after having had two BMW KLT machines....but I feel better about getting parts accessibility, dealer support and higher resale, in addition to being able to do so much of the routine maintainance myself due to the information available. NO informatioin/manuals etc are available for the KLT machines other than this great site. I've been riding for years with the Harley owners and only had one of them break down due to an alternator/stator problem while on a long trip. And he got the parts on the spot and had it running the same day. Heck....my LT broke down on a trip due to a tensioner chain, and I know of two other guys who broke down due to final drive failures with the KLT's. So where is this great reliability etc etc that we were sold on by our dealers? And yes....I'm going to terribly miss cruising at 110 mph on the xway and being as comfortable as being in a car.....but I guess I'd rather cruise at 85 on a v-twin and have less headaches and expenses in the maintenance department and know that I can get parts at any small town in the south if I break down. I'm not bitter....its been a great ride with the KLT's ....but I see nothing positive about staying with them in the long run due to the final drive issues, tire issues, head shake issues, rear trunk latch issues, elecric centerstand issues etc. If they were cheap repairs it would be nothing...but were talking about big $$$$$$ stuff here in addition to the terrible resale value right off the block......BMW is missing the boat on the strong customer base they could build with these machines. I'll miss you all and all the wonderful questions I got from so many people in small towns about the beautiful machines we drove into their lives.....but as a working man I can no longer afford the depreciation and high maintenance costs of owning one. And the fear of losing a final drive while on a trip or after warranty takes all the fun out of using it.......
 

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Clunking sounds from your abs unit...

...while pulling away from stop lights is not normal...and that's exactly what mine is doing also. Mine certainly didn't do that for my first five years of ownership, and after my abs fault this past August, I'm assuming it's only a matter of time before it faults again.

Good luck to you, Mike. I'll be curious to know which one our abs units fails permanently first! I wasn't aware these units were serviceable.

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I can relate!

Hey Mike,

I have the same problem...and I have been highly pissed about it for over a year now. My LT is a 2000 and my ABS gave up the ghost at about 20K miles in late 04'.

I live far far away, in a land quite distant from any BMW dealer/service shop...El Paso Texas...so it's quite difficult for me to be running in for a reset. Back when Deming, NM was still selling and servicing BMWs they would reset the ABS and I'd ride a day or a week before the ABS would fault again. The last time they told me the fault code indicated a complete replacement of the unit. I've done everything to try to keep it working. I've changed the brake fluid regularly; I've gapped and regapped; I've cleaned sensors; I've filled and kept full the reservoirs. Nothing works and so I sit with a bike that has me mad at it and especially BMW. I still love the bike and ride it every day but wish I didn't own it any more. I'd love to get the new GT but not with the nearest BMW shop 4 hrs away and especially not with the way they do NOT stand up and treat right the guys who buy their bikes. Heck, I've got a 1995 GMC pickup with 130K miles with a perfect working ABS system on it!!!

Anyway...like jrlakin I just ride it without the ABS and curse BMW under my breath (sometimes I vent out loud too).

I hope you have better results with your "fix" than I have.

Tom
 

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I know the hydraulic units are not exactly dealer serviceable, but do any of you get the old unit back? Has anyone cut one open to find out exactly just what is failing?

The bad diagnostics experience should be scaring all of us.
 

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Dielectric = Insulator

sanjaun2 said:
First thing I would do is to take the connectors off the abs unit and put them back on a few times and then apply a little dialectric greese and reinstall then check to see if she is still faulted. A little corrosion or bad connection can cause a lot of problems. Best of all this check is free.
Good suggestion ,But Di electric grease is a insulator and can decrease conductivity!
 
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