You should get $500 off at Sill's as a new customer, while I will get $1,000 off. BMWOC is very rigid and you won't even get a penny off. The problem with BMWOC is their service department. I do my own servicing, and therefore don't need either Sill's nor BMWOC, but there was a member of this forum who took his RT for servicing at BMWOC and the service tech had damaged his pannier lid, and tried to deny it. At the end, after some proving, they agreed and tried to get the lid repainted, but it was done very badly! I know the story to be true, because many months after the event was reported here, I was at both dealerships (BMWOC and Sill's) to buy the '14 RT, and in talking with the owner of BMWOC, it came out that he was looking for a source for good painter. I don't recall what I had said to lead up to that statement.I just recently learned of Sills (like last week). Before that I was talking to BMW of Cleveland. What are your gripes with them? I've got a quote from a local (30 minutes away) BMW dealer, but they never discount anything. Nice people though, but in this price range a few percent cheaper is a LOT of money. Got anyone you would recommend talking to at Sills?