BMW Luxury Touring Community banner
21 - 40 of 74 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Finally, got to pick up my new RT from the dealer this Wednesday (7/14). Rode over on my '15 RT, and rode back on the '21 RT. Just 15 miles. That's all I have on the clock at the moment, and so this will be a real first impression, and I will add more as I progress with my usual long local rides, hopefully (weather permitting) starting on Sunday. Here are some quick observations, as compared to the '15 RT:

1. Riding Experience - it was very much as I expected. The bike is basically the same as the wethead, and therefore I had expected the handling to be pretty much the same. It was. I did think that it was a little more nimble, but that could have been because of the new tires (Metzler Roadtec Z8). Perhaps what I mentioned in #4 below has something to do with it?

2. Gear Shift - this went well beyond what I had expected! The shifting on the '15 RT had been good (for me), in all gears both up and down. The '21 RT beat it all by a very long shot! Shifting was extremely smooth and silent through all gears. Can't tell you about neutral to 1st because I don't use neutral at all, at any time while riding. I expect this to be better still after a few 1,000 miles to get the gear train broken in!

3. Seat Height - when I first got on, I was quite sure that the seat height had felt higher than what I was used to. It was significant enough for me to notice. Later, much later, I realize what that was! The load setting on the bike was set to "Auto" (that's what I would have set it to anyway), and therefore the spring pre-load is set to different amount depending on the detected weight! At 180 pounds, that's not much weight.

4. Weight Distribution - when I got home, and took the bike into the garage, I positioned it, as per routine, over my Park-n-Move (to spin the bike around 180 deg.). Put it up on the center stand, on top of the Park-n-Move, and tried to rotate the bike. Hard! The weight of the new RT is more biased to the front, such that it took a lot more efforts for me to push down on the grab-rail to put less weight on the front wheel! Not only that, but I had an incident that I won't bore you with, and that incident showed me quite clearly that the center-stand mount position on the bike have been moved forward by perhaps as much as an inch! So, overall the weight distribution of the bike, forward is significantly more than that of the wetheads!

5. Maintenance Charging - after several minutes of fooling around, I decided that I had forgotten to plug in my charger, as per normal routine. When I plugged it into the rear aux. socket, as I always had done in the past, the LED on the charger went into rapid blinks in red, indicating fault, or short! Now, that's not nice! Unplug and plug back in, and same result. Unplug, turn on the bike and then plug the charger in. Success. LED shows solid red, indicating that full output (1.25 amps) is being directed to charging. That's what I expect to see. It turns out that this RT requires the charger to be plugged in before the computer had shut down the network, just like the case with my prior '07 RT. This is different than the wethead, because I had found that the charger can be plugged into my '15 RT at any times and the charging will occur automatically. The difference to the '07 RT is that, with the '07 RT, if I plug the charger in after the network had shut down, then the charger LED would show solid green, indicating that zero current is flowing, or an open circuit, while the rapid blinking red, in this case, shows a short.

6. Connectivity - no real data yet, but I note that my phone (Pixel 4a-5G) will launch the BMW Connect app automatically (after the initial first connection) whenever the RT is turned on, and make the connection without me having to do so! The app was NOT running in the background, when I made this discovery.

7. Shield - almost forgot! The "sports shield" on this bike is very nice. It will be perfect for what I want, which is for local riding in the hot summer months. I had saved my Werks Quiet Ride shield off the '15 RT for the new bike, for traveling. I was ready to modify or put in new mounting holes, if needs be! Here's the good news, for those with the same shield who might want to use them on a '21 RT. It looks to me as if the mounting holes are identical, and I won't have to make any modifications at all! I will confirm this when I make the change in a couple of weeks, or three!

That's about it. I will add more as I add miles, hopefully very quickly, once the weather clear. In the meantime, I have to get the crash bars installed, rekey the topcase (already repainted to matching color), and get the other stuff installed.

Here's a couple of photos of the bike:

View attachment 174302

View attachment 174303
Congratulations on finally getting your mitts on the bike . I know how long you’ve waited so I’m sure you’ll be making the most of the rest of the riding season (like us if the wildfires allow). Looking forward to your continued impressions - ours came with Metzler z8’s as well and I was disappointed when I first saw them but I’m very impressed with how the bike handles so far.

Enjoy!

Simon
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
I received my blue one 2 weeks ago. As I live in Canada, it came with the radio installed. I quickly put on 700km and then went in for its first service. Right after that we went on a 1500Km trip. I came from a K1300s and then a R1000RR. I am amazed how well this bike handles for its size. It did not take long to feel comfortable to be able to throw it into the corners at speed...the wife kept poking me to go faster! I am not one to use navigation, so I cannot comment on this, however, the bike did connect every time to my phone and displayed the posted road speed on the left, which I found nice. The seat, for me and my wife, is the most uncomfortable piece of crap that I ever had the misfortune of sitting on. During the first 700Km, it took only 45 min to be in agony. We picked up some inflatable seat pads, which really helped on the longer trip, but this is one area where I really need to figure out a solution. The short wind screen I find to be just a tad too low. It could stand to be a few inches taller. I might see if someone with the taller screen is interested in trading for my sport version. The only other issue is a problem with the adaptive cruise. When I set the cruise control, I get a error that states that the distance has been disabled. The cruise control works well, but I am not able to set the adaptive part. Not a big issue. The service guys said that they have seen this on another bike and are waiting to hear back from the mother-ship on a work around for it. All in all, I am very happy with this bike. I am in the process of obtaining the required tools to be able to complete the valve work that is required every 20K. This will be the last bike that I purchase, so I am hoping that I get a few hundred K out of it.

Craig
I’m sure you / your dealer has checked but you do know that it’s possible to switch off the ACC in settings. Just noticed it myself the other day. Is it possible it’s been accidentally deactivated?

Oh, and re. the seats, my 2017 GS gave me the same arse pain. Just agony on multi day rides! . The used Sargent seats we picked up have been a revelation. We did a couple of 7-8 hours days running the bike in for the first service and forgot all about the seats. This is the first time I’ve bought after market seats and suddenly I can see why they cost so much!
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
843 Posts
Craig, consider an inexpensive sheepskin cover. I have one that attaches easily with a couple straps.
I have a factory low for my 15RT that was horrid. Replaced it with a Sergeant low that's much better but still not great for longer rides for me.
If I'm going on a long ride, I just strap the sheepskin on and it's far better.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
2,962 Posts
Pad,
I purchased my '18 RT in the spring of '19. It was the last of the 2018 inventory on the floor of the same dealer. The OEM tires were the Metz Z8's. I barely got 9K from the rear and replaced the front at 12k. I'm now with Michelin Road5 GT's. What surprised me is how fast the rear went to cord. On a Saturday morning last fall I road with a small group to Sandusky for lunch and then rode home solo on the Turnpike. This is what I found even though there was no indication of this type of wear in the morning when I did the pre-ride air pressure and visual check. Watch those Z8's!
IMG_5114.jpg IMG_5111.jpg
 

Attachments

·
Registered
'21 R1250RT
Joined
·
152 Posts
@PadG congrats on the new wheels. Definitely keep the impressions coming.

The seat, for me and my wife, is the most uncomfortable piece of crap that I ever had the misfortune of sitting on. During the first 700Km, it took only 45 min to be in agony.
How interesting. Text book case of subjectivity as to how the same seats feel to different people. My wife and I found the seats the most comfortable OEM seating we have ever tried. And we honestly think that we have over-sensitive bottoms. She reckons the '03 CLC seat was the best pillion perch equalled by the '21 RT seat. We spent 1k on the '06 RT seats with a (very good) custom upholsterer (medical grade gel inserts, reshaping etc.) and I think the '21 bike rider accommodation is better. Just shows how narrow the sweet spot is: works for some but not for others.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
14 Posts
I received my blue one 2 weeks ago. As I live in Canada, it came with the radio installed. I quickly put on 700km and then went in for its first service. Right after that we went on a 1500Km trip. I came from a K1300s and then a R1000RR. I am amazed how well this bike handles for its size. It did not take long to feel comfortable to be able to throw it into the corners at speed...the wife kept poking me to go faster! I am not one to use navigation, so I cannot comment on this, however, the bike did connect every time to my phone and displayed the posted road speed on the left, which I found nice. The seat, for me and my wife, is the most uncomfortable piece of crap that I ever had the misfortune of sitting on. During the first 700Km, it took only 45 min to be in agony. We picked up some inflatable seat pads, which really helped on the longer trip, but this is one area where I really need to figure out a solution. The short wind screen I find to be just a tad too low. It could stand to be a few inches taller. I might see if someone with the taller screen is interested in trading for my sport version. The only other issue is a problem with the adaptive cruise. When I set the cruise control, I get a error that states that the distance has been disabled. The cruise control works well, but I am not able to set the adaptive part. Not a big issue. The service guys said that they have seen this on another bike and are waiting to hear back from the mother-ship on a work around for it. All in all, I am very happy with this bike. I am in the process of obtaining the required tools to be able to complete the valve work that is required every 20K. This will be the last bike that I purchase, so I am hoping that I get a few hundred K out of it.

Craig
Re your comment on the seat - after 7 BMW's, I'm convinced they put the apprentice designer on the seat project! Seems to be hard to get it right for some reason. I have just fitted a Sargent seat to my RT and it's made a significant difference but I've still only done 500k's on it so time will tell. In the past I've had a couple of aftermarket seats, gel pads and sheepskin - everything is an improvement on the standard seat. In my opinion, it's definitely worth investigating options - especially if you like touring.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
3,224 Posts
Great news PadG. So very happy you finally got your bike. It is the fastest color :)

Look forward to your impressions. The introduction post did not disappoint.

Interesting on the center stand and the bikes new balance point. Using that stand you would know in a heartbeat and sure enough you did. Wonder what called for it? I have heard they are easier to put on the CS but have no idea if that is so?

Look forward to many more of your impressions on this new machine.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #29 ·
Craig, that's why I like the RT so much! ;)

I hadn't ridden my new RT since bringing it home on Wednesday because we have had some nasty weather passing through here everyday since then. It's clear today, and so I will be hitting the road in a few minutes!

Got both crashbars (front and rear) installed. The large topcase (already repainted) rekeyed. That took no more than a few minutes. The rest of the time were spent trying to get ahead with chores around the house so that I will be set for a couple of weeks on the road with the new bike!
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #30 ·

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #31 ·
Great news PadG. So very happy you finally got your bike. It is the fastest color :)

Look forward to your impressions. The introduction post did not disappoint.

Interesting on the center stand and the bikes new balance point. Using that stand you would know in a heartbeat and sure enough you did. Wonder what called for it? I have heard they are easier to put on the CS but have no idea if that is so?

Look forward to many more of your impressions on this new machine.
Hi Lee. The overall increased in weight, even if that isn't very much, is in the engine, and that is forward of the center-stand mount. They must have moved the mount point forward a little to try to compensate.

Going to hit the road and head into PA in a few minutes for at least one tank-full worth of ride and start the breaking in. I expect the overall performance (except for power) to be very much like the wethead RTs, but I will report later.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rambler358 and LAF

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #32 ·
Congratulations on finally getting your mitts on the bike . I know how long you’ve waited so I’m sure you’ll be making the most of the rest of the riding season (like us if the wildfires allow). Looking forward to your continued impressions - ours came with Metzler z8’s as well and I was disappointed when I first saw them but I’m very impressed with how the bike handles so far.

Enjoy!

Simon
Thanks! Starting to put it through the paces now! As for the Z8, I also would have preferred the Michelin, but my '15 RT was also delivered with the Z8, and I am OK with it's performance. If you haven't had a Z8 before, then I need to give you a little caution. The problem with the Z8 is that the rubber is fairly thin in the center, and many people have found that the condition of the wear goes from "close to need replacing" to showing fabric in just a few miles! I had gotten about 9k miles out of that last one, and changed them out since I was heading down to the Keys at that time anyway. Typically I get about 12k miles out of my tires.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #33 ·
I’m sure you / your dealer has checked but you do know that it’s possible to switch off the ACC in settings. Just noticed it myself the other day. Is it possible it’s been accidentally deactivated?

Oh, and re. the seats, my 2017 GS gave me the same arse pain. Just agony on multi day rides! . The used Sargent seats we picked up have been a revelation. We did a couple of 7-8 hours days running the bike in for the first service and forgot all about the seats. This is the first time I’ve bought after market seats and suddenly I can see why they cost so much!
On the seat - I usually ride with the AirHawk cushion, which is enough for me even for long distance. I am going to ride without that cushion for a while, to break in the seat as well as to see how well it breaks in. I usually can handle almost 200 miles on my prior RTs before the pain is such that I had to stop and take a walk!
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #34 ·
Pad,
I purchased my '18 RT in the spring of '19. It was the last of the 2018 inventory on the floor of the same dealer. The OEM tires were the Metz Z8's. I barely got 9K from the rear and replaced the front at 12k. I'm now with Michelin Road5 GT's. What surprised me is how fast the rear went to cord. On a Saturday morning last fall I road with a small group to Sandusky for lunch and then rode home solo on the Turnpike. This is what I found even though there was no indication of this type of wear in the morning when I did the pre-ride air pressure and visual check. Watch those Z8's!
View attachment 174316 View attachment 174315
Hi Paul. Yep, that is pretty much what I had warned before seeing your post! ;)
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #35 ·
@PadG congrats on the new wheels. Definitely keep the impressions coming.



How interesting. Text book case of subjectivity as to how the same seats feel to different people. My wife and I found the seats the most comfortable OEM seating we have ever tried. And we honestly think that we have over-sensitive bottoms. She reckons the '03 CLC seat was the best pillion perch equalled by the '21 RT seat. We spent 1k on the '06 RT seats with a (very good) custom upholsterer (medical grade gel inserts, reshaping etc.) and I think the '21 bike rider accommodation is better. Just shows how narrow the sweet spot is: works for some but not for others.
I have learned from long experience of reading about seats on these forums that you really can't depend on them at all to be applicable to YOU! It is very much subjective, and you can take the reports as a guide, but also expect that what you find for yourself could, and probably, be quite different than what others experienced.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
325 Posts
I expect the overall performance (except for power) to be very much like the wethead RTs, but I will report later.
I heard the Shift Assist Pro has been improved so that it’s not as clunky in the lower gears - so do let us know.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
88 Posts
It is pretty clunky. i use the clutch from 1-2-3 and then shift assist. Same with down shifting.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pasobiker

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #39 ·
I heard the Shift Assist Pro has been improved so that it’s not as clunky in the lower gears - so do let us know.
My initial report cover that in "Gear Shift". I really meant shift-assist pro. However, I will have a little more to add.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,657 Posts
Discussion Starter · #40 ·
It is pretty clunky. i use the clutch from 1-2-3 and then shift assist. Same with down shifting.
I am afraid that's I find the very opposite, but then I am used to the same thing in my '15 RT, which I can also shift quite smoothly in all gears, up and down, and the '21 RT does it so much better!
 
21 - 40 of 74 Posts
Top