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In the near future we will be picking up a Bushtec trailer at the factory in TN, and Iíll need a hitch for an í09 LT. I've done due diligence and read all (I think) of the hitch-related threads, going back 4 years. Iíve narrowed the hitch choice to Dauntless and Bushtec. Hereís a summary of my understanding at this point:

* The Dauntless hitch is a top-quality product, and owners love it.
* The Bushtec hitch is a top-quality product, and owners love it.
* Each hitch has its pros and cons.

Dauntless
Pro: The mounting point (not the whole hitch) can be easily and quickly removed, a major advantage:
Itís not in the way of a rear tire change.
It looks nicer/cleaner (subjective).
It results in a few less pounds to carry around when you donít need the hitch.

Con: Some people donít like the Dauntless because all of its connection points are at the rear subframe. In contrast, the Bushtec hitch connects at a midpoint on the LTís frame, with some stabilizing connections at the rear wheel Ė I think. This last point is not clear to me. In any event, the hookup location for the Bushtec hitch is considered to be better/safer/stronger.

Con: No dealer to install the hitch for me. The bolt-up pieces are easy enough, but I donít do wiring.

Bushtec
Pro: Can be installed by an experienced manufacturer. Bushtec will install the hitch with no charge for labor when I pick up the trailer.

Con: The main component is visible Ė way ďout thereĒ Ė when itís installed. See photo.

Dauntless Question
Is the way the Dauntless hitch connects to the LT a problem? There are many of you out there who have used the Dauntless for everything from small Unigos to larger two-wheel trailers, including heavy camper-type units, for many thousands of miles and multiple years. Iím not hearing of any issues.

Bushtec Questions
1. Do you Bushtec hitch owners remove the hitch when you arenít towing? (assuming you wanted to, for the reason I listed above) How hard (effort and time) is it to remove the hitch, and then reinstall it when youíre ready to tow again? I have not seen this addressed in the threads I read, but I imagine itís something you would do once or twice, then say ďEnough!Ē and leave the hitch on fulltime.

2. Does the Bushtec hitch have to be removed to change the rear tire?

3. What do you do with the hitch-side part of the trailer wiring connection when you arenít towing a trailer Ė does it hang loose, or can it be nicely mounted to the hitch fulltime, like the Dauntless and Unigo?

4. The pictures of the K1200LT hitch on Bushtecís website are confusing: the powder coated hitch shows a rectangular mounting bracket with four bolt holes, at the forward part of the hitch; the chrome hitch does not have this component. Also, they show more parts for the powder coated hitch than the chrome hitch. Are their photos accurate?

5. Can a Bushtec hitch be powder coated black? They show only a flat gray color on their website, but I have seen photos of black Bushtec hinges. If I go with Bushtec that would be my preference.

I think thatís it for now. Thanks.
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Re: Questions About Dauntless and Bushtec Hitches

2001 LT, 117K miles, Bought Bushtec in 2004, 35K miles on trailer.
Still have LT and Bushtec. K1600GTL w/Bushtec hitch.

Bushtec Questions
1. Do you Bushtec hitch owners remove the hitch when you arenít towing? (assuming you wanted to, for the reason I listed above) How hard (effort and time) is it to remove the hitch, and then reinstall it when youíre ready to tow again? I have not seen this addressed in the threads I read, but I imagine itís something you would do once or twice, then say ďEnough!Ē and leave the hitch on fulltime. Never have. Never felt need to.

2. Does the Bushtec hitch have to be removed to change the rear tire?
Yes, unless on lift with drop down rear panel.

3. What do you do with the hitch-side part of the trailer wiring connection when you arenít towing a trailer Ė does it hang loose, or can it be nicely mounted to the hitch fulltime, like the Dauntless and Unigo? Zip-tied to hitch; never been an issue.

4. The pictures of the K1200LT hitch on Bushtecís website are confusing: the powder coated hitch shows a rectangular mounting bracket with four bolt holes, at the forward part of the hitch; the chrome hitch does not have this component. Also, they show more parts for the powder coated hitch than the chrome hitch. Are their photos accurate? Have the chrome hitch. I think you're talking about the mounting bracket behind the rear fender. Four-bolts in an X-pattern. Three bolts at the front, by your right foot.
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Re: Questions About Dauntless and Bushtec Hitches

Thanks, Gary.

Regarding your answer to #4: No, I'm referring to a rectangular piece with 4 holes that appears to be part of the hitch, at the forward-most part of the hitch. This would be mounted near the middle of the bike somewhere.

See the second picture in my post. That's what I'm wondering about.

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Thanks, Gary.

Regarding your answer to #4: No, I'm referring to a rectangular piece with 4 holes that appears to be part of the hitch, at the forward-most part of the hitch. This would be mounted near the middle of the bike somewhere.

See the second picture in my post. That's what I'm wondering about.
Looks like the rear support plate.
http://www.bushtec.com/v/vspfiles/BM...e-Trailers.pdf
The mount at the front is welded on.
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Looks like the rear support plate.
http://www.bushtec.com/v/vspfiles/BM...e-Trailers.pdf
The mount at the front is welded on.
The hitch is atached at the front, near your right foot
and at the rear onto the frame.
Nothing in between.
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Looks like the rear support plate.
http://www.bushtec.com/v/vspfiles/BM...e-Trailers.pdf
The mount at the front is welded on.
Got it, yet I'm still not getting the difference between their photos. See the attachments to this post - I put a red box around the area in question. The front end of the hitch is different between the powder coated and chrome models. I think they have mixed up their hitch models in these photos.
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I don't see the front mount on the picture on the left.
The photo on the right is the one that is on my LT.
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Re: Questions About Dauntless and Bushtec Hitches

Regarding the last two pictures, the first picture with the square bracket is not an K1200LT mount,
or at least not like two two I've owned,
I'm wondering if that might be a K1600 mount.

The second picture doesn't look like the front mount that's on my LT either
that can be clearly seen in the PDF file attached earlier, photo # 4

Here are a few pictures in my computer taken during a tire change,
two bolts removed in the rear, two in the front and the third loosened,
all of five minutes and the solid feel of the hitch is worth the extra effort.

I've owned two Duantless hitches and replaced them both with the Bushtec,
the Duantless is a nice product if you have a small and light trailer,
if you're going to haul more than 200lbs (easy to do as the Bushtec trailer weighs 150/175 depending upon model)
go with the Bushtec hitch.

The last picture is the LT frame made of hollow tubing and the indisputable proof that you need to pull from the motor mount.
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Re: Questions About Dauntless and Bushtec Hitches

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Regarding the last two pictures, the first picture with the square bracket is not an K1200LT mount,
or at least not like two two I've owned,
I'm wondering if that might be a K1600 mount.

The second picture doesn't look like the front mount that's on my LT either
that can be clearly seen in the PDF file attached earlier, photo # 4

Here are a few pictures in my computer taken during a tire change,
two bolts removed in the rear, two in the front and the third loosened,
all of five minutes and the solid feel of the hitch is worth the extra effort.

I've owned two Duantless hitches and replaced them both with the Bushtec,
the Duantless is a nice product if you have a small and light trailer,
if you're going to haul more than 200lbs (easy to do as the Bushtec trailer weighs 150/175 depending upon model)
go with the Bushtec hitch.

The last picture is the LT frame made of hollow tubing and the indisputable proof that you need to pull from the motor mount.
Thanks, Hans.

First: Then this confirms my suspicion - that Bushtech has the wrong powder coated hitches shown on their site, in the K1200LT section.

Second: If you have a bike lift with a drop tail section you don't need to partially remove the Bushtec hitch, is that correct?

Third: If you only tow occasionally, why not go ahead remove the hitch entirely? I know some guys tow fulltime or very frequently. I won't - just on vacation or for longer two-up trips. This would save lugging around the weight of the hitch.

Where is the trailer wiring harness and connector, in your photos?

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I am going to have to jump in here in favor of the Dauntless hitch. I have owned both hitches...the Bushtec on my 2000 LTC and the Dauntless on my 2003 LTE.

On one trip I had 2 flat rear tires due to valve stem failures....this was with the Bushtec hitch. I found myself on the side of the road with all the necessary tools to remove the rear wheel except for the 9/16 th wrenches needed to undo the hangar bolts. I hitchhiked to the nearest Wal-mart to buy wrenches. The Dauntless hitch uses hardware same as the bike and allows you to just swivel it out of the way to roll the rear tire our the rear.

I found that the Bushtec made it a bit more difficult to clean the bike. I love the ease of removing the visible part of the Dauntless when it is not in use.

I pull a Bunkhouse camper and a home made smaller trailer and have had no problems with either.

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What does the bunkhouse camper weigh?

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Second: If you have a bike lift with a drop tail section you don't need to partially remove the Bushtec hitch, is that correct?
You don't need to remove any of the bolts on the hitch (if you're on a lift) for a tire change if you don't want to,
the old tire usually can be "wiggled out" to the left,
with the extra tread on the new tire you have to let the air out to "wiggle it back in"
but it's just as easy to take the bolts out

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Third: If you only tow occasionally, why not go ahead remove the hitch entirely? I know some guys tow fulltime or very frequently. I won't - just on vacation or for longer two-up trips. This would save lugging around the weight of the hitch.
I just leave mine on, it's not in my way and I can have my trailer attached in five minutes,
my mom lives a hundred miles north of me and I'm up there every week or sometimes two,
If I have to haul anything I'd rather take my bike and trailer than my pickup truck,
The wife and I will sometimes throw a couple of folding chairs and a box of fried chicken in the trailer and go watch the sunset.
I think you'll find uses for it if it's available,
for instance if you ride with the HD guys you can carry the beer!

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Where is the trailer wiring harness and connector, in your photos?
The plug is mounted on the bottom of the right saddlebag
the pigtail on the trailer is longer than usual and actually an adapter
so I can hook the trailer up to my truck by switching out the ball for the Bushtec hitch pin,
I designed it that way but have never actually pulled it with the truck.


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To answer your question about Bunkhouse weight 285 lbs according to their website
that's before you add your gear,

I've owned a Bunkhouse camper and they're a great camper,
but I sold mine after a year, I hated pulling anything that heavy,
The Goldwing guys love them, I guess it depends upon your riding style,
mine doesn't work with a heavy trailer, it scared the hell out of me in the rain.

I could definitely feel the fore/aft movement of the Dauntless hitch pulling the Bunkhouse,
I suggest you find someone with a Dauntless installed,
grab the hitch at the bottom and move it back and forth, it moves, not much but
.....now repeat that all day long every day on every bump and there you have my point.

Now I can sympathize with Ron and his side of the road dilemma,
but not having the proper tools with you is on the rider,
and it does not reflect on the quality or design of the hitch or the manufacturer


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Hey Howard

I sent you an e-mail about my dauntless

Plus tell Goldwing Steve you ain't hauling any of his crap in your new trailer, or did I miss something, did his new bride come with a trailer?

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Thanks for the continued comments, guys. I'll be sorting this out in the next few weeks. The current plan is to pick up the new trailer on the way to the Smokies in early April.

Hans: I see your points; it was several of your previous comments where I stole the photos from, and which prompted my questions. Thanks.

Glen: Steve and Susan bought an Aluma trailer for their Gold Wing last summer. When the four of us traveled to Maine and back last summer they had their setup and we had our Unigo (now gone). At most stops we put our jackets and helmets in their trailer - a convenience we learned to really like. The Unigo definitely still has its advantages and would still work for us, but we're ready to try something larger. I'll connect with you later to take a look at your Dauntless hitch. Thanks.
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Thats cool, I did not know Steve had a trailer, and yes they are very conveinent for stuff that's for sure.

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Regarding the last two pictures, the first picture with the square bracket is not an K1200LT mount,
or at least not like two two I've owned,
I'm wondering if that might be a K1600 mount.

The second picture doesn't look like the front mount that's on my LT either
that can be clearly seen in the PDF file attached earlier, photo # 4

Here are a few pictures in my computer taken during a tire change,
two bolts removed in the rear, two in the front and the third loosened,
all of five minutes and the solid feel of the hitch is worth the extra effort.

I've owned two Duantless hitches and replaced them both with the Bushtec,
the Duantless is a nice product if you have a small and light trailer,
if you're going to haul more than 200lbs (easy to do as the Bushtec trailer weighs 150/175 depending upon model)
go with the Bushtec hitch.

The last picture is the LT frame made of hollow tubing and the indisputable proof that you need to pull from the motor mount.

Are you saying the RH mounting points behind the right passenger bracket is at one of the motor mounts? I'm a new LT owner, so I'm not familiar with the engine mounts.

The hangar bracket, as someone else referred to, looks to be bolted at the top to a body piece- is that correct, and if so, is there any metal/frame behind it where the two bolts attach? If not, it looks like there'd be insufficient structural support, considering the hangars are supporting the receiver and carrying the tongue weight.

Regarding the LT frame, are you saying none of the mount points of the bushtec connect to this frame?
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Are you saying the RH mounting points behind the right passenger bracket is at one of the motor mounts? I'm a new LT owner, so I'm not familiar with the engine mounts.

The hangar bracket, as someone else referred to, looks to be bolted at the top to a body piece- is that correct, and if so, is there any metal/frame behind it where the two bolts attach? If not, it looks like there'd be insufficient structural support, considering the hangars are supporting the receiver and carrying the tongue weight.

Regarding the LT frame, are you saying none of the mount points of the bushtec connect to this frame?
The K-bike motor is "sorta" hanging from the frame,
the RH mounting points are part of the frame that holds the swing arm pivot points and the rear of the motor look at pictures 6+10
and this is where the Bushtec hitch "bolts up and pulls from,

in the rear there is a metal plate that the hangars "hang from and in turn the hangars support the tongue weight of the Bushtec hitch
now tongue weight isn't very much 10-20 lbs the actual pulling of the Bushtec hitch is done from the RH forward mount.

the Dauntless pulls from the same place the hangars are "hanging from" (picture 4)
and you're absolutely right there is insufficient structural force there.


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The K-bike motor is "sorta" hanging from the frame,
the RH mounting points are part of the frame that holds the swing arm pivot points and the rear of the motor look at pictures 6+10
and this is where the Bushtec hitch "bolts up and pulls from,

in the rear there is a metal plate that the hangars "hang from and in turn the hangars support the tongue weight of the Bushtec hitch
now tongue weight isn't very much 10-20 lbs the actual pulling of the Bushtec hitch is done from the RH forward mount.

the Dauntless pulls from the same place the hangars are "hanging from" (picture 4)
and you're absolutely right there is insufficient structural force there.
Thanks for posting the additional pics. They're very good at showing how things look underneath the tupperware. If both those bikes in first pic are yours, then I'd say you're a blessed man.
It also looks like someone has their work cut out for them- more than I'd want, and I'm a professional mechanic.

Is your trailer in the pic one of those bushtec turbos? looks nice.

I did visit the bushtec website and found the instructions for how to install the hitch. What I thought was a body piece is an add-on plate/bracket, as you mentioned, attached to the frame with four u-bolts. I can see how that would work.
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Can anyone point me to where I can buy a Dauntless hitch fro my LT?
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Can anyone point me to where I can buy a Dauntless hitch fro my LT?


There happens to be one listed in the classified section now. If you want a new one here is the website. http://www.dmcsidecars.com/

Make sure to install the wiring harness with the 4 relays instead of the harness with only 1 relay.

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Re: Questions About Dauntless and Bushtec Hitches

Not so sure but you guys might want to dig in this site for future reference.
http://www.hitchanything.com/
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Re: Questions About Dauntless and Bushtec Hitches

My thoughts on motorcycle trailers are "one wheel"
I believe my choice is going to be Third Wheel from Canada with 6 and a half cubic feet of storage.
I am thinking that the dauntless setup will be more than sufficient for this setup.
I do not want to pull lots, just a little extra for my wife.

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