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Rigging an LT Sidecar

OK....I'm looking for stuff I should know about and don't but here goes. I have a '99 LT and like it just fine. I've had a '92 GL1500 Wing and a California Friendship III sidecar that I've been waiting to put together as my next sidecar rig. I have a set of GL1500 specific mount components, etc. and my winter project was to "build" the rig, including an EZsteer front end mod to the bike, etc.

However, I keep looking at my LT thinking that could be an ideal sidecar hauler too. I know I need a subframe and some other custom bits. I'm just wondering if anyone knows of sources of these components, or is my only choice a custom shop. I know one very reputable outfit in PA that would assemble the rig for me and fabricate all the necessary frame and mounts. I'm just wondering if there is "any" source for those things so I could assemble the rig myself? I have manuals on sidecar rigging and testing, and have access to a professional machine and weld shop when that becomes necessary. I just wonder if anyone sources subframes somewhat like the old EML packages that came for the K1100 and K100 bikes?

I'll probably keep to the original plan of the GL1500 - F3 rig, but....thought I'd ask.

Thanks for any knowledgeable feedback.

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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

I have a Hannigan attached to mine and all I can tell you is, the LT handles it just fine, but I can't help with components-sorry.
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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

Contact David Hough up in Washington state......
He speaks @ rallies re: hacks and knows all the sources.......
I know, contact how ???????
I don't know ....do a search.......................
I'm sure David would be glad to help.............

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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

Saw this in Germany last year looks like my 99 LT less sidecar.







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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

I just removed the sidecar from my LT two days ago. I had it on for 2-3 weeks cuz I had a sore right leg.

If I had the choice I would have 2 LT's. One with the sidecar and one without. My SC is a Hannigan 2+2 and is very nice. I have the disc brake and electric camber adjustment both of which I highly recommend. The problem I have with the sidecar is that it takes all the handling fun out of the LT. On the highway it handles very well but in town it takes a lot more work to do turns. Hard on the arms!

The sub-frame is quite extensive on the LT but it allows for 10 minute off/on which is very nice.

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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

Hi Jeff,

As you know I went through this thing recently. Best I came up with other than a custom job like Claude offers, is a sub frame from Dauntless (DMC). They are close to $700.00 . Some time back Loren was kind enough to take a lot of photos of his rig and gave me lots of food for thought. In the end, I decided to forget using the LT as a tug (due to cost and complexity) and I bought a Triumph for the purpose. Jay at DMC can provide you with everything you need to DIY, but it aint cheap.

Good luck,
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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

Jeff,

Here are some photos of the DMC sub frame for the LT. Looks like it would take a custom JIG to fabricate it.
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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

Gary, any idea how they got a car tire on the back of a LT like the one in your pictures in Germany??? Chuck
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Jeff,

Here are some photos of the DMC sub frame for the LT. Looks like it would take a custom JIG to fabricate it.
Bill,

Those are the bits I imagined existed somewhere and would like to get. Thanks for a solid lead.

To others who've commented to my inquiry with useful ideas, thanks. I'll decide which bike becomes the "hauler" soon.

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Gary, any idea how they got a car tire on the back of a LT like the one in your pictures in Germany??? Chuck
Chuck,

Here in this part of the US a guy named Claude Stanley is well known as a sidecar expert. If I paid someone to rig my setup rather than assemble it myself, I'd get him to do it. His small company offers several products, including car tire rims for LT's.

Here's some links to his operation:

http://freedomsidecars.com/parts/par...formation.html

His wheel rims:

http://freedomsidecars.com/parts/wheels.pdf

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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

Claude does good work, & he knows his stuff. He would do a good job on your LT if you went that way..But..

I think I would use the Honda as the tow bike, & keep the LT to ride solo. You have the EZsteer, & all the other stuff for it . I have a Hannigan 2+2 on my LT. I put Hannigan's steer lite & heavy duty front spring, & it handles a lot better with the front end work done.

With the front end changed I can only ride my K1200LT as a sidecar rig. You will be in the weeds if you try to ride it as a two wheeler..I know a guy that thought he could ride his Honda as a two wheeler with a EZsteer on it. That didn't work out for him...He Totaled his bike.. ...

I also have a 2010 R1200GSA Adventure to ride solo. If my wife is going we take the rig, if not I take the Adventure. Works for me, your results my vary.

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Jeff,

One guy I forgot to mention is Gary Greene in Iowa. I have bought most of the attachment fittings from him at a very reasonable price. He is very knowledgable and very forth coming with advice and information. He does NOT do the sub frames however, and gets them from DMC. You might want to give him a shout.

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Jeff,

One guy I forgot to mention is Gary Greene in Iowa. I have bought most of the attachment fittings from him at a very reasonable price. He is very knowledgable and very forth coming with advice and information. He does NOT do the sub frames however, and gets them from DMC. You might want to give him a shout.

Gary Greene [email protected]

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Thanks Gary. He's someone I wasn't familiar with. Sourcing hardware will be important at some point.

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Re: Rigging an LT Sidecar

Thinking it might be kind of cool to have a car tire on the back of my rig so I checked out the site mentioned below.

This is a quote from the site: "Typically, for instance, on a BMW the rear wheel conversion is typically in the 800 dollar range for bikes that have the brake rotor on the rear end housing. If the brake rotor is attached to the wheel itself we use a much more involved wheel manufactured by David Hinze called an Advantage Wheel. These wheels are around twice the price due to the brake rotor situation".

They justify the advantage based on increased total mileage and the low purchase price of the car tire. For this kind of money I would have to convert the LT to full time hack use and I am not willing to go this route.

I think I like it the way it is!

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Chuck,

Here in this part of the US a guy named Claude Stanley is well known as a sidecar expert. If I paid someone to rig my setup rather than assemble it myself, I'd get him to do it. His small company offers several products, including car tire rims for LT's.

Here's some links to his operation:

http://freedomsidecars.com/parts/par...formation.html

His wheel rims:

http://freedomsidecars.com/parts/wheels.pdf

Regards,

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