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Had a great time at the SMOKEY MOUNTAIN REUNION with one little exception. While following Cowboy Bob on his new GT and enjoying the beautiful fall scenery in the mountains a vehicle in front of us stopped to wait for oncoming traffic prior to making a left turn. I remember seeing Bob slow and believe I too applied my brakes and the next thing I remember is sliding down the road. Pretty much everything in between is a blank. Bob said that he had started to accelerate after the car made the turn and he felt a bump and then heard my bike sliding and grinding down the road. Bottom line is that I rear ended Bob and crashed. Fortunately Bob skillfully hung on and stayed upright. I had on my Gerbing jacket, Olympia air flow pants over blue jeans, a pair of elk skin leather gloves, BMW riding boots and my flip up helmet. The jacket is pretty well tore up on the right side, the pants are skinned and very dirty, the gloves are badly abraded and the helmet is worn down above the right temple and the face shield is badly scratched. The good news is that other than a very sore left hand I survived unscathed. The riding gear did it's job and I'm another living testament to ATGATT! The bike I was riding was my new to me 2000 GS. I believe it's repairable but I'm waiting for the insurance Co. to come pick it up so we can get an estimate.

After a lot of thought and examining the bike following the accident I believe that what happened is that I had no front brake and therefore didn't slow down even after applying the brakes. I say this because the bolt that holds the brake line to the front master cylinder was loose by about a quarter turn and there was no resistance when squeezing the brake lever. After serious examination I cannot see any evidence that that area was affected during the accident. Since I've only owned the bike about 2 weeks and don't have the most recent service records I can't say for sure that that's what happened but at least for now that's my story and I'm sticking to it!!

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Oh, gee, Lynn!! Glad you're ok...at least well enough to type...

Hope all gets mended nicely...

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Darn it Lynn! I'm really sorry to hear about this. But I'm VERY glad that you're OK. Riding with those hooligan GT riders is NEVER a good idea, doncha know?
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The good news is that other than a very sore left hand I survived unscathed.
Glad to hear you are ok and you did not take Bob down with you Lynn, wish we could have made it up there and said hello to ya's

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Lynn, very sorry to hear about your mishap but very, very happy to hear that you are OK.

I had hoped to ride the Cherohala myself on my half day sprint to Ironhorse so I was tempted to tag along with you and Bob, but I had already decided to go to the Parkway with Brett and head back home from there. Had some things at home to get done.

We ran into a lot of traffic ourselves. It certainly adds to the risk when you are dodging cages.
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Lynn, sorry to hear about your get-off but grateful that you fared as well as you did.

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Lynn, very sorry to hear about your mishap but very, very happy to hear that you are OK.

I had hoped to ride the Cherohala myself on my half day sprint to Ironhorse so I was tempted to tag along with you and Bob, but I had already decided to go to the Parkway with Brett and head back home from there. Had some things at home to get done.

We ran into a lot of traffic ourselves. It certainly adds to the risk when you are dodging cages.
We hugged on Cowboy Bob and Lynn and all is ok.

Mr Carter, you are correct, the traffic on the Blue Ridge Parkway was terrible!

After you peeled off we went to Pisgah Inn, there must have been a thousand cars there so we had a snack at the store and then headed back to Irohnorse for the Prime Rib. So you didn't miss that much, except the PRIME RIB!

Good seeing you again and hopefully we will see you at the Spring Fling!

Glad you made it back safely.

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Sure gald to hear that you are ok Lynn! I'm sure this will remind me to wear the gear always. hope you can repair the damage easily.



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Had a great time at the SMOKEY MOUNTAIN REUNION with one little exception. While following Cowboy Bob on his new GT and enjoying the beautiful fall scenery in the mountains a vehicle in front of us stopped to wait for oncoming traffic prior to making a left turn. I remember seeing Bob slow and believe I too applied my brakes and the next thing I remember is sliding down the road. Pretty much everything in between is a blank. Bob said that he had started to accelerate after the car made the turn and he felt a bump and then heard my bike sliding and grinding down the road. Bottom line is that I rear ended Bob and crashed. Fortunately Bob skillfully hung on and stayed upright. I had on my Gerbing jacket, Olympia air flow pants over blue jeans, a pair of elk skin leather gloves, BMW riding boots and my flip up helmet. The jacket is pretty well tore up on the right side, the pants are skinned and very dirty, the gloves are badly abraded and the helmet is worn down above the right temple and the face shield is badly scratched. The good news is that other than a very sore left hand I survived unscathed. The riding gear did it's job and I'm another living testament to ATGATT! The bike I was riding was my new to me 2000 GS. I believe it's repairable but I'm waiting for the insurance Co. to come pick it up so we can get an estimate.

After a lot of thought and examining the bike following the accident I believe that what happened is that I had no front brake and therefore didn't slow down even after applying the brakes. I say this because the bolt that holds the brake line to the front master cylinder was loose by about a quarter turn and there was no resistance when squeezing the brake lever. After serious examination I cannot see any evidence that that area was affected during the accident. Since I've only owned the bike about 2 weeks and don't have the most recent service records I can't say for sure that that's what happened but at least for now that's my story and I'm sticking to it!!

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Lynn, sorry to hear of this but very, very happy to hear that all is (mostly) well. It's through sharing ride tales like yours that we all can learn something. Let us know how this turns out.

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This was different kind of day. I was riding with Jay, Gilda, Sharon and Janet to look at the leaves on the Skyway. Bob and Lynn had passed us while we were are a pullout looking back into one of the valleys.

It wasn't 5 minutes later and we were down the road and being flagged to slow down. Jay had seen who was down in the ditch and was pulling over with Janet in the back seat saying "It's Lynn. It's Lynn" Lynn was just starting to stand up when we got there. You could tell he was pretty frazzled and really upset because he couldn't figure out what had happened. There was a really great couple that was making sure he was okay. We had visits from the local rescue units (who had just been to another accident on the Cherahola), Mary Jane a National Park Service Ranger, Tellico Plains Ambulance Service, Sgt Acuff from the Sheriff's Department, and the Tennesse State Patrol.

And since Lynn started this thread, I'll post some pictures. And while Lynn did have a rough day he did manage to eat dinner. And though I don't know whether it was Prime Rib or Salmon, he did finish off the meal with a CBS!!!!

Oh yeah, the colors were still great even with the wrecker in the picture.
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Lynn is was nice to meet and talk to you and your wife at Ironhorse. really sorry to hear of your mishap but I am glad to hear that you are OK.

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Thanks to all for the well wishes. Still a little sore here and there and the hand is still swollen some but improving. And Steve, thanks for the photos although the one of me stuffing my face with an Iron Horse CBS somehow doesn't seen to be at all related to the situation! :~) But OH boy was it good!

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Actually, I think it shows that you still had an appetite and the end of the day.

Believe me I remember being sore for days after my little get off on Sept 1. I'm finally starting to heal, but after being on crutches for the last two weeks, I'm not sure that I'm gaining on the shoulder anymore.

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thanks for the photos although the one of me stuffing my face with an Iron Horse CBS somehow doesn't seen to be at all related to the situation! :~) But OH boy was it good!

I ask Lynn about that...he said he was trying to catch me.... I told him he didn't have far to go!

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Sorry to hear about your accident. More than anything I'm glad to hear you came out alright.

It seems I'm reading more and more about folks going down, I know here in Titusville I'm aware of a couple fatalities on North US1 in the last 1 1/2 years. It really makes you think every time you get on and especially the importance of wearing the gear.

heal up quick and hopefully all goes well with putting your bike back together.


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Boy, it's tough to get a little sympathy in this group. I WAS THE ONE THAT (almost) GOT RUN OVER BY MR. KEEN! But who sez, "Hey Cowboy Bob, how are you? How's your GT?" Nobody, that's who. Bah.

Actually, I just got a check from Lynn's insurance carrier for over $2,500. My GT was rideable (and still is) after the incident, but it may have suffered more damage (in $$$) than Lynn's GS! I lost my rear fender, have a dented muffler (BIG $$), and the hit taken by the muffler (from Lynn's front tire, I assume) twisted the rear sub-frame of the GT. Parts are on order, but thanks to Steve's reattachment job on my license plate, I'm still riding it. Runs great.

I have an early November appointment at Touring Sport to fix the damage. While the bike is apart, I'm also having a Centech fuse panel installed, two additional Powerlet 12 volt outlets (without a 5 amp limitation so we can run 2 Gerbing jackets), and an Autocom intercom. A tank bag, and a small black Givi rack for the top of the trunk box, and the GT will be all set for my kind of touring (already have KonTour seats for rider and passenger). Installation of the new airbox and a computer mapping upgrade will complete the job, scheduled for 2 days.

BUT here's the absolute best part: Lynn wasn't seriously hurt.

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Good to hear that you and Lynn are both OK and the GT absorbed the energy of the hit, with out putting you down. Barnett

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Boy, it's tough to get a little sympathy in this group. I WAS THE ONE THAT (almost) GOT RUN OVER BY MR. KEEN! But who sez, "Hey Cowboy Bob, how are you? How's your GT?" Nobody, that's who. Bah.

Actually, I just got a check from Lynn's insurance carrier for over $2,500. My GT was rideable (and still is) after the incident, but it may have suffered more damage (in $$$) than Lynn's GS! I lost my rear fender, have a dented muffler (BIG $$), and the hit taken by the muffler (from Lynn's front tire, I assume) twisted the rear sub-frame of the GT. Parts are on order, but thanks to Steve's reattachment job on my license plate, I'm still riding it. Runs great.

I have an early November appointment at Touring Sport to fix the damage. While the bike is apart, I'm also having a Centech fuse panel installed, two additional Powerlet 12 volt outlets (without a 5 amp limitation so we can run 2 Gerbing jackets), and an Autocom intercom. A tank bag, and a small black Givi rack for the top of the trunk box, and the GT will be all set for my kind of touring (already have KonTour seats for rider and passenger). Installation of the new airbox and a computer mapping upgrade will complete the job, scheduled for 2 days.

BUT here's the absolute best part: Lynn wasn't seriously hurt.

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IT appears by Cowboy Bob own admission that Lynn is the third guy to rear end his bike with Cowboy Bob at the helm. Sounds like a new ride next year, follow Cowboy Bob tech session....

Glad you guys where ok, just wish we had a better plan of action to retrieve the damaged bike, I had a enclosed setup.. I was watching AL beat TN to more mericyful end... and John Powell, keep a trailer as well...

More importaint, you guys had AGATT and where able to chow down at supper, like knowthing was ever wrong.....

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Boy, it's tough to get a little sympathy in this group. I WAS THE ONE THAT (almost) GOT RUN OVER BY MR. KEEN! But who sez, "Hey Cowboy Bob, how are you? How's your GT?" Nobody, that's who. Bah.
Bob,

With all the sincerety in my heart...I'm truly sorry. I just assumed (yea, I know!) from Lynn's story that you avoided any injury to you, or the GT. My bad.

Glad to hear everyone's OK though. The bike's will be as good as new soon enough.
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Don, Where we were there was NO CELL phone service. Mary Jane from the National Park Service arranged the pickup via radio with park headquarters. As it was, the tow was covered by Lynn's insurance and they got there a lot quicker that you would have as we were on 12 miles outside of Tellico Plains.

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And Bob, Isn't this picture up in all the rest with Lynn's? But this should make you feel better since it's posted here bigger.



I'm just sorry I didn't take a picture of the license plate job we did.

Hopefully it won't take too much to get you running again.

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IT appears by Cowboy Bob own admission that Lynn is the third guy to rear end his bike with Cowboy Bob at the helm. Sounds like a new ride next year, follow Cowboy Bob tech session.........
Don, you misunderstood me. Lynn is the third bike rider to crash while following me. The other two were considerate enough to simply ride off the road (none were seriously hurt, but their bikes were messed up) ..... Lynn was the only one who ran into me. And in all 3 cases, I was riding slower than normal.

What can I say? I'd recommend against following me in the future, but since bad things always come in 3's, I may be safe now ...

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Don't forget to rehab!

Lynn, I'm glad to hear that you're recovering well.

Given our relative ages even a not-to-bad get off will keep us sore for a while. I dislocated my shoulder once from such an event. The pain went away after a couple of months but a year later when I started lifting weights I realized that my shoulder was still very weak. So as soon as you're able, do some light weight lifting to complete your rehab.
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Lynn, I'm glad to hear that you're recovering well.

Given our relative ages even a not-to-bad get off will keep us sore for a while. I dislocated my shoulder once from such an event. The pain went away after a couple of months but a year later when I started lifting weights I realized that my shoulder was still very weak. So as soon as you're able, do some light weight lifting to complete your rehab.
Me, weight lifting? Unfortunately one of my many allergies is exercise. That's why I'm so out of shape. Wait a minute, round is a shape isn't it?

Actually, I was very lucky. I had on all my gear and I slid rather than tumbled. So, other than a bad bruise on my left hand and a sore right shoulder I made out pretty well. I'd be back riding my LT if it weren't for the swelling and soreness in the clutch hand.

Still waiting for the insurance co. Unfortunately it's not looking good. The ABS hydro pump is on the list at $1900 and that may put it over the hump. I hope to hear from the adjuster on Monday and hope we can do some negotiation.

More to follow.

OH yea, at the next gathering lets all have a group hug for Cowboy Bob! :~)

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post #26 of 30 Old Oct 27th, 2007, 11:47 am
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Don, you misunderstood me. Lynn is the third bike rider to crash while following me. The other two were considerate enough to simply ride off the road (none were seriously hurt, but their bikes were messed up) ..... Lynn was the only one who ran into me. And in all 3 cases, I was riding slower than normal.

What can I say? I'd recommend against following me in the future, but since bad things always come in 3's, I may be safe now ...

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Sorry Bob, I did misunderstand... Just glad both of you where OK and still able to enjoy dinner that night..

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here your doin' OK . It's just that Bob don't like that run down fealing (;-)...patric ...

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The Bike Has Been Totaled!

We're up in PA visiting relatives and I finally got a message from Progressive that my lovely GS is being totaled. What actually put the cost over the hump was the ABS Hydro pump at a healthy $1900 just for parts. I have to meet with the Progressive Agent when I get home next week but if the numbers that I was given over the phone hold out they are pretty fair. They're giving me full retail, less my $500 deductable and including the sales tax and my $1000 accessory allowance. The $1000 doesn't cover all my loss but that was my choice when I bought the insurance. While these deals always cost money, overall I'm pretty happy with what Progressive is doing.

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We're up in PA visiting relatives and I finally got a message from Progressive that my lovely GS is being totaled. What actually put the cost over the hump was the ABS Hydro pump at a healthy $1900 just for parts. I have to meet with the Progressive Agent when I get home next week but if the numbers that I was given over the phone hold out they are pretty fair. They're giving me full retail, less my $500 deductable and including the sales tax and my $1000 accessory allowance. The $1000 doesn't cover all my loss but that was my choice when I bought the insurance. While these deals always cost money, overall I'm pretty happy with what Progressive is doing.
Glad to hear all worked out good for you, many companies are still confused when it comes to claims for addition items, 1000 seems to be average pay out


Progressive is known to settle property damge claims quickly and correctly $$ wise, it's when you have BI liabillity claims with them that are more than just a hospital visit you have to worry about, three different PI motorcycle laywers have mentioned this to me. I'm finally gettign around to getting more info oin GA motorcycle ins laws,


funny even our State Farm underwriter did not know the laws for motorcycle ins here in Ga.

I finally got that straightened out today

oh for those who are interested in ga UM law, yes it is stackable just like with your auto policy

for more www.bikershut.net/mc_ins.htm

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I'm happy you're satisfied with the settlement, Lynn.

I'm ecstatic you or Bob didn't get hurt any worse!

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