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Mitchell Community College in Statesville has ERC's scheduled for Sept. 15 and Nov. 3. I called the Continuing Education dept. today to ask if there were any open spots for the class this Sat. The lady on the phone told me she could tell me without doubt that there were openings, as I was the first person to ask about the class. That being the case, she said they would cancel it. She put my name on the list (I'm first, YAH!) for the Nov. 3 class and promised to call me if there is enough interest.

So, whaddya say? Want to take the ERC on Nov. 3? Class hours are 8:00am to 5:00pm at Mitchell's Front Street location. Cost is $65. Add $5 for the two-up option. Call 704-878-4266 to register. Click http://www.mitchellcc.edu/cec/forms/...yclePacket.pdf for all the info.

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I like the Mitchell campus. It's a nice facility and the ERC I taught down there last time went pretty quick. All good coaches, so if you can get guys to go, you;ll have a great time. Would be a great area to incorporate a tech session too, if you could slam one together. That's the weekend of my daughter's birthday, so I can't be there, but I hope you get enough guys to have the class. If you can get at least 6 riders, they MIGHT let you do the class with only one coach. If you can get that kinda interest, call them and see if they'll do that for you.

There are plenty of riders on here that could be there in about an hour. Good luck.

If not, maybe we can try again in spring. I can get an ERC scheduled at Surry (exit 93 off I-77) most anytime, if we can get enough riders.

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Thanks, Randy. Surry isn't too far for me to go. That would be a nice ride, come springtime.

We met at John Bowles' place in July. I didn't work on my bike, due to my son's birthday party being that afternoon, so I understand how various commitments keep a plan from coming together.

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I spoke to the administrator who schedules our classes yesterday. I told her I would like to put a couple of ERCs on the schedule in the spring. Spring is a good time to do an ERC - get into the riding season fresh.

If we work it right, we can hold a tech session that day too. We have a great facility and I can probably swing use of the garage for the day too. There are tools there, but we'd probably be better off to bring our own.

As it gets closer, we'll see who all might want to participate. If we have the turnout that John did, we'd almost have our own "mini-rally".

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Mitchell Community College in Statesville has ERC's scheduled for Sept. 15 and Nov. 3. I called the Continuing Education dept. today to ask if there were any open spots for the class this Sat. The lady on the phone told me she could tell me without doubt that there were openings, as I was the first person to ask about the class. That being the case, she said they would cancel it. She put my name on the list (I'm first, YAH!) for the Nov. 3 class and promised to call me if there is enough interest.

So, whaddya say? Want to take the ERC on Nov. 3? Class hours are 8:00am to 5:00pm at Mitchell's Front Street location. Cost is $65. Add $5 for the two-up option. Call 704-878-4266 to register. Click http://www.mitchellcc.edu/cec/forms/...yclePacket.pdf for all the info.

I'm going to sign up for this. Hopefully we can get enough to hold a session. tried at Caldwell Community last year with no luck.

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Where's Dan Brown? He is in S-ville and may be interested too.

Wish I could join you guys, as the coach or even a rider. Never hurts to learn a little. Although it would be nice if ya'll had an LT rider for a coach, someone that understands the LT a bit better. I'll try to look at my schedule tonight and see who is coaching that class. AFAIK, there are only 2 LT riders in that coaching pool.

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Ok - I called and got put on the list. There are only 2 right now, Lee, that includes you. Sounds like we need 6 minimum to schedule the class.

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I looked at my schedule. Good news! You have two BMW riding coaches scheduled, one of which at least used to have an LT - may still have it - he trades often. Sam Bass. He's good, quick, and a bit tough on ya. If ya'll can get the half class to go, may want to request him for the coach and that he bring the LT if possible. Just a thought, for when you have to ride the U turn exercises and such, that you can see it being done on an LT.

the other coach is an airhead rider with an older bike that has a zilliion miles on it, if I recall. Great guy too.

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I'd prefer Spring

Since I've never taken the ERC, I'd like to attend.

I don't think I can juggle things to be available on 3-Nov. I'll have to see, but, if we target the spring time, I think we'd get a better turnout.

Let's see how it shakes out.

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Thanks for signing up, John.

Joe, if you can work it in, we'd be halfway there! The weather should still be cooperating in early Nov.

Hope to see you guys in a few weeks.

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Hey guys...I'm very interested, but never taken an MSF course before. Are there any prerequisites for this class?

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Hey guys...I'm very interested, but never taken an MSF course before. Are there any prerequisites for this class?
I think if you have x amount of years riding, you're good to go. Randy, is that correct.

I don't have an MSF either. I think we qualify.

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The prerequisite for the ERC is that you have 6 months or 1000 miles on your current bike. I think most folks here would qualify.... : ) And that's just so you are supposedly familiar with the bike. Also have to have a valid endorsement or learner's permit. This class does not offer the DMV waiver in most cases. Insurance discounts may be available - check with you insurance company.

Bike has to have current inspection and be able to pass a basic pre-ride safety inspection, i.e. tires aired up with tread, lights working properly, etc. No major safety defects. again, I bet most everyone here would pass. Okay my inspection is out, but I'm probably the only one.

I highly recommend this class. Have fun with it and learn a lot. The last exercise is probably the most fun. C-stand scraping fun.


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Oh yeah, any of you members on BMWXPlor? May be able to get some of the NC guys there to come out. Post it up, if so.

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I tried to register, but...

I was told there will probably be enough participants to hold the class. They took my name & number and said they would contact me if it looks like there will be enough people.

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Thanks, Kirk. That's the info I received when I called in early Sept. I was hopeful we could generate enough interest for them to hold the class, but it might not work out.

Rando is an MSF instructor in Surry County and he is looking to put together a class in the spring.

Thanks for making the call.

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WE do have two ERCs on the schedule for Spring. March 1 and March 8. But if you are signed up at Mitchell, go ahead with it. Kinda tough spot for me, since I teach at both places and don;t want the ladies at Mitchell mad at me for stealing students. I'll bring up the Surry class again around hte first of the year. If it can work out to fill an ERC with LTers, we can possibly host a tech session on the same day. But the ERCs listed are going to be in the catalog, so may have others there also.

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It is a go!

I just got a call from the school and there will be enough people to hold the class. Woo Hoo. Now, if I can only remember to not cover the clutch & brake with two fingers for the class.

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Yes, got the call and I sent my app and payment in. Anyone else here that is interested should do the same to make sure the course is held.


If you have to use more than 2 fingers on the levers, have to always stop with left foot down, have to use the rear brake, I might as well take my F now

Heck, I don't even pass the leather gloves requirement.

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John (all): Take some sort of glove to ride in. You will have to have: Helmet, eye protection, long sleeves, long pants, over-the-ankle footwear, and gloves. These items do not have to be leather necessarily. Cotton garden gloves are acceptable to most instructors, as are hiking boots or sneakers, if they cover the ankle bone. Glasses or sunglasses are also acceptable. Helmet must be DOT.

Bike must be in good working order, have valid inspection, good tires, lights working, etc. You must have an endorsement or learners permit.

Why would you not stop with left foot down first? I know not everyone does that but why wouldn't you? Did you shift to first on the way to the stop? I'll ask you all that first. : ) Just razzin ya.

Four fingers is pretty subjective in an ERC - some coaches ask you to, some don't. If I see a rider having controll issues, I try to change their method. Most people learning to ride can modulate better with all four, but this an ERC.

And when you get to the last exercise, try to have fun with it. Should be a lot of fun. And let me know how ya'll do on the U-turn box. It's a bear to turn an LT in 20'. The ERC generally uses 28' (green lines at mitchell) to start and 24' (dotted yellow, I think) for final goal, but the 20' lines are out there (solid yellow).

Man, I wish I could come down and watch.

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I'll see you guys at 8 AM then. Who's gonna be there?

I almost forgot to put a good rear tire on. The instructor would have had a heart attack if he'd seen mine. It's good now.

Randy, you know who the instructor is and what we can expect?

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I faxed my app and payment last week. Never had the time to get on here and post a message. Life's funny that way.

I got a call from MCC Con Ed Tuesday that the ERC is going on as scheduled. Must report to room 10 at 7:45.

I don't expect to be scraping pegs. Just hope I don't drag my knuckles!
[No drivin', knuckle draggin', (insert favorite adjective here)]!!

See you there!

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Hi, John. Was typing while you were posting. I'll be there.

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John,

The instructors I saw on the original schedule were Sam Bass (he had an LT - may still - he trades bikes a lot) and Doug Cunningham. Doug rides an older R bike. Not sure exactly which one. Both are great guys. Send them my best. I went thru instructor school with Sam and Doug was one of the first coaches I worked with. If that is who is still scheduled. Sometimes the schedules change. If there are more than 6 students, you should have 2 coaches. Less than 6 may only be one.

They are both great guys and you should have a good time with them. All the exercises should be fun. Might not be a bad idea to make sure the battery is charged good and that the coolant is up. Sitting and idling while waiting in line can be rough on cooling and charging systems. As the owners manual says, you may want to turn the extras off.

the last exercise, multiple radius turns, is the best, in my opinion. Most fun anyway.

Ya'll have a good facility and should have good coaches, so you should have a good time.

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I talked to continuing education at Mitchell CC this morning asking if there were any spots open for the Experienced Rider Course. They currently have six students and one instructor. They told me that if we can come up with at least four more riders they would get another instructor.

If there is any interest please jump in. The class will not be offered again till next spring.

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If it doesn't go larger, I have two ERC classes scheduled at Surry Community College in Dobson in March 2008. If possible, we may try to turn it into a tech session also, for those interested in that part.

I just talked to the lead at Mitchell about next year, but I asked him about this weekend. You'll have Joseph Stephens, who happens to be an LT rider, and a member here too, I think. He's a fun guy to work with. At present there are 6 students, so one instructor. I think he's out practicing even as we speak, to give you guys the best class possible.

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About how long will the class last?

Hi,

Does anybody know about how long the class will last? Will it be over around 4:00, or will it be later than that?

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Looks like it's Spring for me

I can't make it Saturday.

We've got our "Bowl Game" for Midget football.

I hope March works better.

Have a great time.

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Le Roi,

It varies, could be as early as lunchtime, or as late as 5 pm. ERCs don;t usually run that late though. I know that doesn't really help answer your question though.

It's really up to the class and the coach(es).

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Here is the link to the class. http://www.mitchellcc.edu/cec/forms/...yclePacket.pdf
It has all the info and contact numbers. Also the number to call is 704-878-4266 for last minute sign up.

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I would love to attend but I checked map quest and I'm about 2 1/2 hours from the course. I can't stand to be late. Does anyone know if they start right at (8) or is that the sign up time. I can be on the road by 6 and that would put me petty close to 8 or 8:30, pending on the traffic. Any assistance in answering these questions would be helpful. Tk's MK

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Hi, Michael. The message on my answering maching said to be in room 10 at 7:45. The class starts at 8:00, but they want us there early to get any paperwork completed, coffee, etc. out of the way. I doubt they hang you up by your thumbnails if you aren't there at 7:45. The ladies at the continuing education office would be better suited to tell you the situation. They are very helpful. 704-878-4273 is the number in my phone from their call last week.

Hope you can make it.

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My experience with such is that as long as they know you;re coming in late, it will be okay. They have to go thru bike inspections and such also. Might call the lady at the college and see. IF she says okay, I can email and ask if it would be alright, or give em a "head's up".

I would be okay with it, but every coach is different.

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Hey, thanks guys.
I'll give the school a call in the morning and feel them out. If, I can work it out. I'll see the group in Statesville. Again Tk's MK

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That was great

Good to see you guys again. Had a great time today under perfect skies. A couple of excellent instructors, thanks Joseph and Ron, free mystery lunch, and no scratched bikes.

Thanks again Lee for the heads up. I've been looking for an ERC for a couple years now. Glad to be there.

As usual, some photos did occur See them here

nothing great, but memories regardless. Let me know if anyone wants an original.

Almost forgot - thanks a lot Randy for the tips on all the idling. See you around.

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Thanks for posting those pictures, John. If you captured any of my failed attempts at getting through some of the exercises, please feel free to delete them.

After you and Charlie left, I went back out to the box, determined to figure it out. 2 out of 3, I made the turns without putting a foot down and stayed inside the 28' width. WOOHOO!! I realized I was using too much clutch control, which caused me to be going too slow. Leaving the clutch engaged longer and getting the proper head turn worked wonders.

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Hi John,

Just checked out your pictures. Looks cold and like you had fun.

There is couple two up on a gold LT that have on the iridescent yellow jackets. Do you happen to know who the manufacturer is? I noticed that there a matching pants too.

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Hey Steve,

The couple in yellow is Kirk Simons and his wife (username-LeRoi). If I remember correctly from a couple months ago, the suits are Aerostich. Not sure if Darien or Roadcrafter, but Kirk could fill in the blanks.

They did all of the exercises together, and despite what they say, they looked real good and smooth, so the yellow must help

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Hi John,

Thanks for posting the pictures. I think you got one of me with my leg stuck on my Bak-Up back rest. Great timing! Next time I expect to be on and off the bike so much I will take off the back rest.

And yes, the suits are AeroStich 2-piece Roadcrafter in their Hi-Viz yellow. As AeroStich says, "Loud Suits Save Lives".

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Hah Kirk, that's too funny. I didn't even notice and had to go back and look.

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Thanks for a great class

I want to thank the class for a great day. Ron and I wanted everyone to have fun and improve their skills, and I saw a marked improvement in everyone's skills. Thanks again for being part of the ERC at Mitchell CC.

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Glad you guys all had a great time, even the coaches. sounds like you all did well. Congrats. Joseph and Ron are hard to beat for making a class fun as you learn.

Oh yeah, official "welcome" to the site, Joseph. Did you get your scheduling email for Surry? Email me.

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Thanks everyone for a very enjoyable day. It was nice meeting all you LT riders. Hope to see you out sometime.

Joseph and Ron, it was a real pleasure having you guys as instructors. Hope to see you in Charlotte next year for the next level.

Keep your heads up!

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