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post #1 of 88 Old Nov 13th, 2006, 11:48 am Thread Starter
 
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Question 'STC for Riders' in 2007

Any new info yet?

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Just a thought, maybe we can get the Yellow Wolf to talk about his unofficial Iron Butt/24 hours of the Dragon Experience. He might be had for the price of an infomercial for his video services.

Another thought might be for a guided ride of Fontana by the gentleman who presented his slide show at last years STC. Could be fun.

But what do I know, I'm a just another Northerner. :-)

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Cool Re: STC

Have you all got a date in mind? April 27-29 is taken for me as of now, rest is open. Have the entire 3rd week of April off.

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Rumor has it that it'll be the third weekend of April...the 19th, 20th, and 21st.
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Rumor has it that it'll be the third weekend of April...the 19th, 20th, and 21st.
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Rumor has it that it'll be the third weekend of April...the 19th, 20th, and 21st.

If that becomes a reality, I do suspect I'll be there, maybe even a day early. :-)

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Tom (tmgs), Lynn King and I have been discussing this by email.

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btw Steve was heard from as well, so ther are several now

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Due to my west coast ride next April, I've decided that I won't be attending STC. Y'all have fun.
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I'll make the trip.
I've dropped a line to a friend with the AMA, he has been promoting a deal with instructors tagging behind the rider on a selected route with communications between the two. Once the route has been ridden go back to the classroom or campground, go over the pro's and con's hit the road again to correct the bad habits. Also, he has been looking at first responder to a downed biker to be included with this lesson. As much as we all ride I feel that this would be just as important as anything I could do for myself or the safety of my fellow riders. He has mentioned that a cost is involved, I would love to take such a corse and be happy to had over some cash for the lessons.

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Motorman slow school.

I will offer the motorman slow school, whoever wishes. I plan on having a second instructor for those dates. Maybe some new exercises. Like to know if this something that interest the LT riders?
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Great, I am trying to get another motorcop to join me, who also rides an LT, so there will be about 20 years of motorcop riding experiences.
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Great, I am trying to get another motorcop to join me, who also rides an LT, so there will be about 20 years of motorcop riding experiences.
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I will offer the motorman slow school, whoever wishes. I plan on having a second instructor for those dates. Maybe some new exercises. Like to know if this something that interest the LT riders?
I missed the opportunity to participate at the 2005 gathering but definately plan on making this one.

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I will offer the motorman slow school, whoever wishes. I plan on having a second instructor for those dates. Maybe some new exercises. Like to know if this something that interest the LT riders?

I am interested.
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Yup, I got 13 years as motorman and my partner has 11 years. I will around the beginning of the year take some names and dates. I will offer a am and pm class. I will also be at cabin to take names the first night. I had a blast two years ago. Will hand out certificates Saturday night at the dinner.
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I will offer the motorman slow school, whoever wishes. I plan on having a second instructor for those dates. Maybe some new exercises. Like to know if this something that interest the LT riders?


Got my interest, too!
Now I'll have to try even harder to make it to STC!

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You think I could pass it this time?



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Grif, you will always pass.


I think I can teach you a trick two on the GT.

I just hook up a third instructor. So you will have three motorcops out there. Great guys, you "will" have good time.
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I think I can teach you a trick two on the GT.

I just hook up a third instructor. So you will have three motorcops out there. Great guys, you "will" have good time.
John, your class is the best I've ever taken! I'm putting this on the calendar and hope to hell I can shake free.

Folks, y'all know how good motorcops can ride. If you want to learn some stuff from the pro's themselves, this is the class for you.



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I think I can teach you a trick two on the GT.

I just hook up a third instructor. So you will have three motorcops out there. Great guys, you "will" have good time.
Sounds like a good time, Maybe I can pull it off this year

I'm thinking I'll need a lower bike for it if the need arises to try and keep her from falling over and going boom!

that or longer legs might help!



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We can always add extra soles to your boots to build them up or you could start using stilts.

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yea Dragon suggested painters stilts, I'm thinking I like the idea of thicker soles, or put Karens stock GS shocks on it.

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I think I can teach you a trick two on the GT.

I just hook up a third instructor. So you will have three motorcops out there. Great guys, you "will" have good time.
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Thanks, but where and when is "STC" and what does it mean?

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STC stands for LT Spring Training Camp. For the past two years LT riders have gathered at the Ironhorse Motorcycle Resort in Stecoah, North Carolina (near Robbinsville and Deals Gap) for riding and tech sessions. The date is in April; look to the beginning of this thread for the 2007 dates.

There have also been "Return to Ironhorse" gatherings in October. I've had to miss those.
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Spring Training Camp, we most recently held it this past October. It is always held at IronHorse Campground in Stecoah NC. It will next be held in the spring, can't figure out why. go back and search SE forum for Spring Training or IronHorse and you may learn more than you want to. Last time I was there TN beat Va Tech. Still haven't figured that out.

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The official website for last year's event is HERE. Forum member 'vstromboli' and myself put it together.

I will be headed out west during STC in '07, so I won't be attending. All this talk about riding slow...meanwhile I'll be ripping across the country at Mach 10. Kinda makes me chuckle.

Have fun y'all. And say "Hey" to John and Charlene for me.
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Ok you guys are way too tempting. I might just have to ride back for the fun and excitement. Lets see, 3-4 days to get there, or maybe two If I do an iron butt on the way there. I can then add the south eastern half of the US to my map. That will leave the north central and north east US to finish. As an ex MSF instructor 20+ yrs ago I could use some fun and practice. I will keep up on the updated news of the event.

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Sounds like a great opportunity, please consider me "Interested". I will be making every attempt to make it to the STC. Looking forward to it !!

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I am very interested. Would like more information. First, I would need to know if this course would be over my head. I have had my LT for a little over a month. Love it and feel confident on it, except maybe for smooth stops. My wife has been riding with me lately and we're having great fun. I previously had an F650GS and a Honda Shadow 1100. Took the MSF basic and experienced riders courses, but not on the LT. I am a good student and quick learner, but don't have near the experience of many of you. I want to get better. Appreciate your comments.

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Please, come I have now on board a third instructor, so if needed one of those instructors will be with yo for one on one, if needed. I start with a cone weave, off set cone weave, Iron cross, a lot braking, ABS demo, curve, swerve, 90 degree pull out (I think that one was hit) and some others if time is there. My other instructor is John Berens, 12 year motor cop and a motor cop instructor and the third is Alan Morris about 2 years on motors. Both great guys, otherwise they would not be with me. I see that the course also may lower your insurance, plus you have a blast.

I will be at the camp Thursday/Friday night for sign up and payment. Friday/Saturday 8A-12P or 1P-5P fee will be $200 per person. You feel you did not learn anything I will return your money.

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I am very interested. Would like more information. First, I would need to know if this course would be over my head. I have had my LT for a little over a month. Love it and feel confident on it, except maybe for smooth stops. My wife has been riding with me lately and we're having great fun. I previously had an F650GS and a Honda Shadow 1100. Took the MSF basic and experienced riders courses, but not on the LT. I am a good student and quick learner, but don't have near the experience of many of you. I want to get better. Appreciate your comments.

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I have the same questions/concerns as Ray. Sure, I've been riding my LT for about 15 months and have 25k miles on it, but I definitely don't have the confidence (or skills) to do the hard slow-speed turns I think you'll be teaching. YES, that's a valuable skill but I'm real reluctant to drop my LT a dozen times in a parking lot in the same four-hour class. Don't mind the embarassment, just don't want to tear up the bike that much.

I'll also offer that not having this skill prevents me from doing the nice short turns in a street or parking lot I'd like to be able to do.

So... with that in mind, what comments do you have? Am I teachable?

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I have the same questions/concerns as Ray. Sure, I've been riding my LT for about 15 months and have 25k miles on it, but I definitely don't have the confidence (or skills) to do the hard slow-speed turns I think you'll be teaching. YES, that's a valuable skill but I'm real reluctant to drop my LT a dozen times in a parking lot in the same four-hour class. Don't mind the embarassment, just don't want to tear up the bike that much.

I'll also offer that not having this skill prevents me from doing the nice short turns in a street or parking lot I'd like to be able to do.

So... with that in mind, what comments do you have? Am I teachable?
Howard,
Go to:
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and see post #9 to help ease your fears.

Also if you have to XL J-Peg located under the crash bar, I would temporarily remove them. Then you will have NOTHING to worry about doing slow speed maneuvers!
You can do it!

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I have the same questions/concerns as Ray. Sure, I've been riding my LT for about 15 months and have 25k miles on it, but I definitely don't have the confidence (or skills) to do the hard slow-speed turns I think you'll be teaching. YES, that's a valuable skill but I'm real reluctant to drop my LT a dozen times in a parking lot in the same four-hour class. Don't mind the embarassment, just don't want to tear up the bike that much.

I'll also offer that not having this skill prevents me from doing the nice short turns in a street or parking lot I'd like to be able to do.

So... with that in mind, what comments do you have? Am I teachable?

Howard, I think it would be better to drop your bike in front of a bunch of instructors and LT riders in a parking lot instead of in front of a bunch of Harley riders on the road .

Cover up the parts of the bike that may get scratched and then push yourself....it's the only way to get better. It's much safer to do this in a controlled environement than on your own somewhere.

If I can get free that weekend I'm going to try to make it down.

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I already have heard complaints about my fee. First I sorry to charge that much, but really do not think that it is that much. Last time I only made $300 per day for two days. That does not count the extra day for set up, painting the range. This year I getting two more instructors, a bigger trailer for more cones, and then gas prices. The gas prices is going to kill me pulling a trialer. I make at the PD around 45 an hour, so taking vacation, I am losing money, plus the course, sitting at the computer, is now costing me money. So, if you think the fee is too much, then please tell me now and I will stay at home. I got twin daughters and truely rather be with them.


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I have the same questions/concerns as Ray. Sure, I've been riding my LT for about 15 months and have 25k miles on it, but I definitely don't have the confidence (or skills) to do the hard slow-speed turns I think you'll be teaching. YES, that's a valuable skill but I'm real reluctant to drop my LT a dozen times in a parking lot in the same four-hour class. Don't mind the embarassment, just don't want to tear up the bike that much.

I'll also offer that not having this skill prevents me from doing the nice short turns in a street or parking lot I'd like to be able to do.

So... with that in mind, what comments do you have? Am I teachable?
Yes, you are teachable, in fact in the two days, two years ago we only had two or three drops out of 14. Plus I will bring some fire hose and we will tape up the crash wings. Yes take of the j-pegs.
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I already have heard complaints about my fee..
I was initially surprised at the fee, but then I put together these facts:
1. I paid $25 (that's right, it's $25 in Ohio) for the MSF BRC... but that's only because the majority of the cost is subsidized by the state. In other states the fee can be much more.
2. A local HD dealer charges $295 for (I think this is what they call it) The Harley Experience. It's the MSF BRC with a HD spin on it -- they have HD tents, apparel (for sale, not freebies), snacks and beverages... you get the idea.
3. Your focus is going to be on slow-speed maneuvering, the area we can benefit from the most.

So, while $200 isn't pocket change, if the course is half the value your previous attendees say it is, it's well worth it. If I can walk out of the course a better rider it's a bargain. Kind of like ATGATT.

I can't reserve a spot in the class because I have no way of knowing if I'm attending, this far in the future.

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Howard, I think it would be better to drop your bike in front of a bunch of instructors and LT riders in a parking lot instead of in front of a bunch of Harley riders on the road .
It wasn't the embarassment factor I was thinking of... it was the cumulative damage from multiple drops on the same day.

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Cover up the parts of the bike that may get scratched and then push yourself....it's the only way to get better. It's much safer to do this in a controlled environement than on your own somewhere.
Excellent idea.

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John, I don't think your fee is excessive. A small investment to gain proficiency on this "ship". Saturday a.m. Thanks.

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Call me "crazy", but I think $300 is better money spent for 8+ hours on a closed track, than $200 in a parking lot.
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Sure call you crazy, however the race track probably makes their income some where else which can have a low fee. I am "Joe Blow" from no where, just a motor cop that has 100000 miles crash free miles in 13 years, so I got to be doing something right. I ride everyday chasing down speeds reach speeds in _________. So call them crazy, I call them good investors.


I also forgot to add in insurance, and I also had to divide the money I made two years ago with wife. I profitted maybe $150.

So, if you want I will give, if you do not, I will stay home.
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Call me "crazy", but I think $300 is better money spent for 8+ hours on a closed track, than $200 in a parking lot.
And especially if you can get varying weather conditions.

Well Joe, you stuck your neck out on that one, so I'll back you up because you said what I was afraid to.

I KNOW my slow riding leaves a lot to be desired, but that isn't what will keep me alive. I was prepared to participate in the classes but the price will keep me away although I am sure it is deserved by the instructors.

However, for those listening, I do believe full panic stops (with A/S activated and , better yet threshold braking without A/S activated) are huge life savers. Couple that with an avoidance maneuver and that is golden experience.

See ya all at STC '07. Even if I have to commute

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