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post #1 of 18 Old Mar 28th, 2009, 8:41 pm Thread Starter
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RT Clutch Adjustment

The friction point on my clutch has advanced to the point that the clutch lever is almost fully at the end of its range of travel before the friction point is reached.

Is this something that I can adjust myself or is this a dealer service item?

Thanks in advance.

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post #2 of 18 Old Mar 29th, 2009, 7:04 am
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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

same here, the techs tell me it is not adjustable as it is hydraulic and that if it is at the end of the range it is about gone.

Riding two up with the dry clutch in the hills can use up one pretty quick as you have to start sometimes riding the thing.

I've modified my clutch technique and haven't smelled my clutch lately and it seems to be lasting but I know replacement will come prematurely if I rode two up all the time.

pretty bad thinking a clutch wont last more than this..... mines an08 woth only 14k on the clock . I'll be lucky to get 20K befroe replacing it they tell me .

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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

Is it a warrantied item, or is it considered a normal wear item to BMW?
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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

Warranty covers the clutch only if mitigated circumstances, i.e. oil dripped on it from a failed seal etc. Normal wear it is not , was what I was told, however < I'm going to be really pissed if I have to replace it before forty thousand miles. No excuse for that. But I do know that dry clutches require a learning curve as to how to preserve them .

I was also told labor was not a whole lot of the cost of replacment so It could be a do it yourself kind of thing. Not sure I would though, just bitch about it let them do it and try to get the warranty to cover it . I think a clutch should go fifty thousand miles at least. I've never had to replace a clutch in a car and I've nad most of my cars with manual shift.

Not one of my favorite things about R bikes with weak clutches.

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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

Any one know the cost to have dealers do clutch change in RT..
I just did 2 clutches in yamaha Ventures 1985 and 1996 and it was
simple job and had to make a tool at that and still 2 hour job at most.

Or has anyone changed RT clutch and how much work it is for do it yourselfer?

Does anyone have CD repair manual and how good is it..

I had Yamaha Manual and it really was worthless and went to Venture Forum
like this for RT and learned more from people who posted the repairs and
showed tolerences and short cuts and items needed to buy to do the job.

I know soon I will pickup DVD from JVB on RT that he has when he adds for
morn items for RT.
After warranty runs out I will do most of my own work that I can do.
I know with computers onboard it restricts some things from do it yourselfer.

So wonder how much others here have torn into these RT's ...Joe
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post #6 of 18 Old Mar 29th, 2009, 3:44 pm
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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

This is from the CD manual. All of the steps are linked to their appropriate section of the manual. So, if you want to know how to remove the seat, you would click on "Removing seat" and it will open another window and show you how.
Otherwise, I think the manual is as good as any other I have used.




Preparatory work
Removing seat

Disconnecting battery

Removing tank rail

Removing left-**hand trim panel

Removing entire left side tank cover

Removing right-**hand trim panel

Removing storage compartment lid

Removing entire right side tank cover

Removing fuel tank

Installing engine lifter

Removing silencer

Removing intake air pipe

Removing right and left injection valves

Disconnecting both throttle-valve stubs

Securing throttle valve stub with cable divider

Disengaging selector rod from shift lever

Removing clutch slave cylinder from gearbox

Removing right footrest plate

Disconnecting brake pipe for rear wheel circuit from pressure modulator

Removing rear-light unit

Disengaging wiring harness at rear

Removing rear section of motorcycle

Removing gearbox potentiometer

Removing starter

Removing clutch cover

Removing gearbox

Removing belt guard

Core activity
(+) Removing clutch
(-) Removing clutch

By means of the belt pulley, turn the engine in the normal direction of rotation until the engine locking device can be inserted.


Insert engine locking device (No. 11 5 640).



Working in diagonally opposite sequence, loosen screws (4) in stages.


Remove engine locking device (No. 11 5 640).


Remove the thrust plate together with diaphragm spring (1), clutch plate (2) and housing cover (3).




(+) Checking clutch for foreign matter
(-) Checking clutch for foreign matter

Remove housing cover (3) from thrust plate (1) and remove clutch plate (2).


Test

Check the friction faces of thrust plate (1) and housing cover (3) for foreign matter.



Result: Oil or grease on friction faces.

Measure:
Clean and degrease the friction faces.



Consumables/lubricants
Brake cleaner
Cleaners
83 11 9 407 848



Test


Check clutch plate (2) for foreign matter.



Result: Oil or grease on clutch plate.

Measure:
Replace clutch plate (2).




=> Check clutch (clutch removed) (Item: 21 21 600, Billed as a separate item)
(+) Installing clutch
(-) Installing clutch

Install the thrust plate together with diaphragm spring (1), clutch plate (2) and housing cover (3) in the clutch housing.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note

The clutch components are all precision-balanced. It is not necessary to check for identification marks when assembling.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Insert screws (4).


Use centering pin (No. 21 2 673) to centre the clutch plate.


Insert engine locking device (No. 11 5 640).


Tighten screws (4).


Tightening torques
Clutch housing cover to clutch housing

Never re-use the original screws, M6 x 20
tighten by stages in diagonally opposite sequence


12 Nm



Remove engine locking device (No. 11 5 640) and centering pin (No. 21 2 673).




Finishing work
Installing belt guard

Installing gearbox

Installing clutch cover

Installing starter

Installing gearbox potentiometer

Installing rear section of motorcycle

Securing wiring harness at rear

Installing rear-light unit

Connecting brake pipe for rear wheel circuit to pressure modulator

Installing right footrest plate

Installing clutch slave cylinder

Securing selector rod to shift lever

Releasing throttle valve stub with cable divider

Installing throttle-valve stub

Securing right and left injection valves

Installing silencer

Removing engine lifter

Connecting battery

Filling rear wheel circuit

Connecting BMW Motorrad diagnostic system to motorcycle

Installing intake air pipe

Installing fuel tank

Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system

Checking synchronisation

Disconnecting BMW Motorrad diagnostic system from motorcycle

Installing entire right side tank cover

Installing storage compartment lid

Installing right-**hand trim panel

Installing entire left side tank cover

Installing left-**hand trim panel

Installing tank rail

Installing seat

Final check of work performed
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post #7 of 18 Old Mar 29th, 2009, 5:50 pm
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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

"pretty bad thinking a clutch wont last more than this..... mines an08 woth only 14k on the clock . I'll be lucky to get 20K befroe replacing it they tell me "

I have a hard time believing your clutch is shot at 14k. My RT now 75k and clutch is just fine. There is one rider on the BMWSportTouring board with 154k on his RT and the original clutch. Sure you're not just being a little paraniod?

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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

well that doesn't sound very simple therefore it doesn't sound like it would be inexpensive to repair by dealer. Maybe I misunderstood my tech.

We'll see soon enough. Mine is starting to smell burned most times I ride two up, even in cold weather. Geez. This is not impressive to me at all............

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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

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well that doesn't sound very simple therefore it doesn't sound like it would be inexpensive to repair by dealer. Maybe I misunderstood my tech.

We'll see soon enough. Mine is starting to smell burned most times I ride two up, even in cold weather. Geez. This is not impressive to me at all............
My momma used to say: "don't pee until the water comes", although it might be comforting to know if I have to take out a second, sub-prime mortgage when my time comes.

From the listing of the steps involved, I am not touching this one. Way beyond my capabilities.

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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

I don't know who told you that most of the cost isn't labor. I would venture to say that most of the cost is labor. I know I had to pay for the clutch repair in my old LT. The parts were about 300.00. My total bill would have been 1800 without the extended warranty and ended up being about 1300+ since they only covered the seal work that failed.

I hate to say it, but I believe it will be pricey. If you have it done outside of warranty, you can probably get it done by an aftermarket BMW motorcycle shop for significantly less instead of a BMW dealer.

But, before I go that route, I would ask the dealer to take it directly to BMW on your behalf.

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I put a clutch in my old R1100RT at about 80,000. Took me about 8 or 9 hours. I'm a profesional auto mechanic so I have some experience. I could definately do it quicker if I had to do it again. Hopefully my R1200RT won't need one. I think parts were about $400 but it was 3 years ago so I can't be shure.
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post #12 of 18 Old Mar 29th, 2009, 8:29 pm
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just passing along the info my tech told me when i told him most of my travel was gone in my clutch could they adjust it. He said if the travel is gone it means the plate is about used up and that would explain the smell after riding two up that i was getting.

I wrote it off as riding the clutch too much on the hill starts around the hills where I have to start off at lights which are on steep hills with a chubby passenger and a bike that likes to stall if you don't give it enough gas.

Paranoid, maybe, I hope you are right and I am paranoid. time will tell.

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I am starting to miss my multi plate wet clutch. 1 hour change out on most of them.


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well don't let me pour water on your parade, maybe my clutch will go the distance and the funny smell after two up riding, and lack of travel in the grip is just some other thing.
Like these guys say many guys are getting long clutch life. Perhaps I was spoiled with jap bikes and I just need to learn how to drive these dry clutchs.

Or get a jap bike with a slipper clutch and not worry about that aspect of riding. LOL

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I had transmission and counterbalance seals replaced under warranty. The clutch plate was removed and checked for contamination. I received all the paperwork and the labor time was listed as 11 hours. I know this is probably the value the dealer was able to charge BMW, but consider that they have the knowledge and special tools.

You might want to remove the starter and use a light and small mirror to check and see if your engine and tranny seals are not leaking. The plate might be contaminated and this would be warranty work. Is the engine and tranny free of oil externally?

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I have been reading the thread and want to go back to Paul's original question. I know there is no adjustment except for the dials on the lever. I assume that dial adjustment has been checked and it is where you thought it was.

I sometimes have garage gremlins and things get changed. Actually it could have been kids with curious fingers. But I digress.

In my opinion, from thousands of miles away... I just have to believe that there is something else going on beyond "normal" wear and tear.

In the thousands of posts here and on other boards, I have not read reports of this kind of clutch life. It might have been a manufacturing problem or maybe even a user's bad habit- which I sincerely doubt, but this kind of wear is just not heard of.

I hope Paul gets to the bottom of this story and keeps us informed.

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Re: RT Clutch Adjustment

Thanks for all of the input. It is much apreciated.

I am in the process of trying to get the bike looked at. The problem is that with the start of the riding season after a winter that never seems to end and every bike in creation in need of service, getting an appointment will take a few weeks. And since the bike is currently under warranty, I need Motorrad to cover the cost of any repairs, if possible. That means getting the dealer to handle this one.

I will report back in due course.,

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Paul:

BMW Durham service schedule is wide open. Just completed my 20,000 for the RT last week that I had scheduled the day before and I had no problem scheduling my 1,000 for the GT. The weather looks promissing for the next few days.

Hope all is well.

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