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Hey guys been a member of these forums for many years but I spent most of my time over on the LT board. I'm sure this board is just as informative as the LT board is so gonna ask for some advice. I love my LT but the weight is really getting hard to handle (72y/o) so looking for something lighter

I have looked on Cycle Trader at the RTs and see some nice ones with relatively low miles, I understand low miles but what would be high miles that you wouldn't want to buy, over 50K, 70K ?

Is there a cut on what year to look at, for example my 03 LT has the manual center stand if I had bought the 04 it have the electric stand....and that baby is a beast to get on center. I'm mainly looking at 2008,09,10 years as they seem to fit in my financial situation but I'm not opposed to spending a little more if it's worth it. I think the 05 was the first year of the 1200(?) if it's low miles are they as good of value as the later models?
How about maintenance? Some thing on the LT are just crazy, as in air filter

I like gadgets but not over loaded, if it makes the ride better or safer go for it...

I'll probably have more questions but for now I'll end this rambling message.

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I am in a similar situation, well I am willing to buy new, but other than that very similar. A question for you: do you ride mostly solo or two-up?

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Solo

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Solo

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The RT should be perfect for you. If I rode only solo, I’d already own one.

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Hey Frank...
Interesting question that I can fully understand... I think.
I am in the same age range so I "get it". I was on an '05 RT then went to a '14 so I have some experience with what you are thinking.
I will try to keep it brief. I loved both my '05 and my '14- so we can get that out of the discussion immediately.

My "truth" is that while I enjoyed the features, electronics, and etc. of the '14 all in all, I really liked and enjoyed the riding of the '05 more.

The '14-family and beyond, has so many electronic "advances" you might spend more time fussing with pairing one gadget to the other and then to your headset etc. than you do riding the beast. The '05 family was easy. Accessible for maintenance and etc. Tupperware On and Off with no goofy tabs to break off, etc.
Fundamentally they were both great bikes and "families" of their day. My fundamental guess is the answer lies in what you enjoy most. I liked the '05's accessibility and ease of doing maintenance and it's essential bullet-proofness. I liked to '14 too, but I disliked the fussy-ness of the intricate body parts. If course the liquid cooling was there too as both a plus and a minus.
If you like the idea of fully integrated GPS/Audio/Headset by Bluetooth, Hill-Start control, etc... then good, go newer. I guess my Old-School nature pushes my vote toward the simpler bike- accompanied by my older age... (and the weight difference)

As they say "your actual mileage may vary"... Good luck.... invest a good bit of "think-time" toward what really gives you pleasure in your bike ownership... there-in may lie your answer.

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I like gadgets but not over loaded, if it makes the ride better or safer go for it...

I'll probably have more questions but for now I'll end this rambling message.

It's crazy times we're in..... so Stay Safe

Thanks for your time
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John, my guess, derived from visiting the various RT forums regularly, is that if you surveyed 1000 people who owned prior RT models in the year range you mention, versus the big change that happened in 2014, you would find 90% found the newer models to be more desirable. I've never done the poll but again it's just what I've picked up. When I was shopping new bikes in 2015 I had it down to a new '15 FJR1300-ES or a new '16 RT. I had test ridden a 2012 before getting on a wethead RT and just thought it was clunky and not particularly nice to look at, and I almost bailed on the model outright. Fortunately the 3 test rides each on FJR and new RT made the choice a no-brainer for me-I fell in love w' the wethead RT and now have 42.5K miles w/ exactly zero troubles. I only do fluid/filer changes and the dealer does the rest. There are a couple of problem areas in all of the latter model wetheads but these fortunately appear to be quite rare. One of them is inadequately hardened cam lobes some of which are replaced under warranty, and some I'm sure will be 'good faith' repairs post warranty. Beyond that not a lot of issues surface w/ at least the pre-1250 shift cam models which are quite new.

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I owned two LTs over the years and rode them across America. I liked their comfort and suspension. They were great on long trips as long as you do not fall, which I did once at a gas station. Their heavy weight sent me to RTs, which I have ridden since. Now I am a RT guy and currently own two:



I have been riding BMWs since 1967, and am 80 years old, so they are starting to feel a little heavy. But once I am moving they are wonderful. I have not dropped one, although I am fearful of gravel and sand, which try to avoid. I want solid pavement. My two R60/2s weigh almost 200 pounds less than my RTs, and they are a delight to ride. As I age, RTs may become out of the question, and that will be a very sad day for me. However, the R60/2s will still be with me.

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Can't really go wrong with either generation. One thing to note, I had my '12 overheat a couple of times in stop-and-go city traffic during the summer, which necessitated in me pulling off the road and letting the bike cool for a few minutes before starting back up. Something that probably wouldn't happen with the WC RTs (at least it hasn't happened for me).

I also found that with my current 2015 RT, with the stock seat in the low/regular position, I can much more easily flat foot the bike than I could on my '12 RT. Makes for a little more confidence during slow speed parking lot maneuvers.

But, both are awesome and fun platforms. If you can, try to test ride each!

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Some reading here:


https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-seri...-rt-years.html


https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-seri...t-r1200rt.html


https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-seri...f-service.html
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Hey guys been a member of these forums for many years but I spent most of my time over on the LT board. I'm sure this board is just as informative as the LT board is so gonna ask for some advice. I love my LT but the weight is really getting hard to handle (72y/o) so looking for something lighter...
I'm your age, and even though I'm short and have a 29" inseam, I find the RT to be quite manageable. It's a great tourer. My touring needs may be different than Voyager's (above) but my wife and I have thousands of two-up touring miles on our '18 and have found the power, comfort and agility of the bike in the mountains where we tour to be excellent. The RT's are known for longevity when well cared for. There are many with over 200K on the clock that would still go across the country without a problem. So, if the maintenance records looked good, I'd consider 50k or so to be worthwhile of consideration.

That said, The RT really is set up as a tourer. It's pretty quick and a lot of fun to ride for a touring machine, but it is what it is and my '18 is still around 630 lbs. without the topcase. So, the question is do you tour on your bike? You don't need to be a moto-tourist to enjoy an RT, but if your answer is no, or not much, you might want to look at something lighter. If I didn't need the touring features, I would...and roadsters along the lines of the 490 lb. R NineT would be in the running.

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So, the question is do you tour on your bike? You don't need to be a moto-tourist to enjoy an RT, but if your answer is no, or not much, you might want to look at something lighter.
I really like riding solo on my 1250, but it's for two-up riding that I bought it.
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Being a former LT owner with lots of miles (cross country and many other long hauls) I did not like the early versions of the RT’s as they are wider and taller in seat than the RT-LC versions as I have a 31” inseam and never got along well with the 2010 RT I rode a bunch. The gearbox of the early RT’s is about as precise as the LT’s (lol)

Being frugal can be wise in picking an older version, to compromise.
But life is short. Buy a used RT-LC and never second guess yourself again....


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Thanks All.... Some great advice and pointers.

I am a tourer...so first and foremost that's top of list.

Originally looking at 2008-10...think I'll also take this up to around 13-14 as there is not a significant difference in $$$$....wasn't there some big changes in '12 and also '14?

also what is R1200 RT-LC


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Thanks All.... Some great advice and pointers.

I am a tourer...so first and foremost that's top of list.

Originally looking at 2008-10...think I'll also take this up to around 13-14 as there is not a significant difference in $$$$....wasn't there some big changes in '12 and also '14?

also what is R1200 RT-LC
RT-LC means "Liquid Cooled", so the newer boxer (not as new as the 1250 shift cam). The RT got the new liquid cooled boxer in 2104, thus the distinction. The 2103 model was the last of the air/oil cooled boxer.

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Personally, I've never called the 2014+ a "liquid" cooled bike. I've always called it water cooled as that is a more precise term in my book. The previous gen had oil and oil cooler. Since oil is a liquid, those were also liquid cooled in my book.

That's why I prefer calling the new gens WC for water cooled.
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Thanks All.... Some great advice and pointers.

I am a tourer...so first and foremost that's top of list.

Originally looking at 2008-10...think I'll also take this up to around 13-14 as there is not a significant difference in $$$$....wasn't there some big changes in '12 and also '14?

also what is R1200 RT-LC
Some folks have had problems with 2013 and earlier RTs over heating in very hot weather. I would go with the air/water cooled 2014 or newer models.

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Some folks have had problems with 2013 and earlier RTs over heating in very hot weatherI would go with the air/water cooled 2014 or newer models

But we've all own air cooled bikes at one time or still might, are the pre'14 RTs worse at overheating?


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No, the pre-14 models were not "worse" at overheating- they were just designed to be air cooled. Sure they can overheat but they did not even have engine thermometers.

The '14's were the first year of liquid cooled... (water with antifreeze). You will see there is a temperature gauge.... just like on your car.

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Got my eye on a several '14s and a couple '15s and this '16(below) on Cycle Trader....Now if this virus will be gone, maybe I can buy and ride my new to me Scooter

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Got my eye on a several '14s and a couple '15s and this '16(below) on Cycle Trader....Now if this virus will be gone, maybe I can buy and ride my new to me Scooter

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You showed only one bike, the blue one. Looks like is has a Russell Day-Long saddle, but I could be wrong. If so, it is a big plus. But it if were me I would throw out the back rest.

Can't you ride it? Where is the bike located? If you are riding solo you could well be o.k.

I ride my RTs now, on short trips.

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You showed only one bike, the blue one. Looks like is has a Russell Day-Long saddle, but I could be wrong. If so, it is a big plus. But it if were me I would throw out the back rest.

Can't you ride it? Where is the bike located? If you are riding solo you could well be o.k.

I ride my RTs now, on short trips.

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I think you are correct sir, that does appear to be a Russell seat, didn't pick that up at first glance.......On my LT I have ditched the top case as I had rather use dry bags, so in the event that I do purchase this one the top case will come off. The bike is in Chicago.
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I had a blue 2015 RT. I had small and large top cases for it. I painted both lids to match the bike. The top cases snap off and on easily.

I liked to use the lighter small case most of the time, and saved the large one for longer trips.
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On the blue bike you pictured there is a strange apparatus where the rear brake lever/pedal should be -- do you know what that's about? One more thing, I've purchased a lot of used bikes and my one iron clad rule: No bike that ever pulled a trailer!
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I had a blue 2015 RT. I had small and large top cases for it. I painted both lids to match the bike. The top cases snap off and on easily.

I liked to use the lighter small case most of the time, and saved the large one for longer trips.
Probably just me but on trips I had rather use dry bags.....seems you can get more travel stuff in less space

From a few years back....I have since pared that down to 1 dry bag and small cooler
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On the blue bike you pictured there is a strange apparatus where the rear brake lever/pedal should be -- do you know what that's about? One more thing, I've purchased a lot of used bikes and my one iron clad rule: No bike that ever pulled a trailer!
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Ok, off-topic, but not sure where else to post. When I open this thread, and only this thread, I get the premium vendor panel at the right and there is no handle to minimize it. Other threads have a handle where you can show or hide the panel, but in this thread it comes up automatically and I can find no way to hide it. Anyone know what might be causing this?
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Ok, off-topic, but not sure where else to post. When I open this thread, and only this thread, I get the premium vendor panel at the right and there is no handle to minimize it. Other threads have a handle where you can show or hide the panel, but in this thread it comes up automatically and I can find no way to hide it. Anyone know what might be causing this?
You should post that in Admin to get some attentions! You should not be seeing that. This site have had issues with the ads display, which neither you nor I should see, but it was causing issues for me. On top of that, there were also malware that had tried to get through, but was caught by my Norton program. That was a few months ago, and I had brought the issue to the attention of Admin. It's all seems to be resolved now (my issues, that is).

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Pad... it is not resolved... I have the right-side panel and cannot make it go away...

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Pad... it is not resolved... I have the right-side panel and cannot make it go away...
So far, I have it only on this thread in this forum. No issues yet in LT forum.

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Pad... it is not resolved... I have the right-side panel and cannot make it go away...
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You should post the issue to Admin in the Site Support Forum - https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/bmwlt-site-support-forum/

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Interesting as mine seemed fixed now. I now have the “handle” to bring the premium vendor showcase into view and move it back off the side. A couple of days ago, I had the panel, but no handle to move it off to the side.

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Interesting as mine seemed fixed now. I now have the “handle” to bring the premium vendor showcase into view and move it back off the side. A couple of days ago, I had the panel, but no handle to move it off to the side.
What browser are you using? I don't have anything like what you are describing at all, not even the "handle" to do anything! Just clean and clear window for me. I am using Firefox.

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What browser are you using? I don't have anything like what you are describing at all, not even the "handle" to do anything! Just clean and clear window for me. I am using Firefox.
It seems I spoke too soon. Today the panel is back with no way to hide it. Here are three pictures. The first shows what I am seeing today in this thread - the panel with no “handle” (the arrow in a box) to hide it. The next two pictures show another thread where the handle is there to expose or hide that panel as the case may be.

I am use Safari on an iPad.
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I wonder if it's all has to do with the browser? I am not an Apple fan, and so have never used the Safari. I use Firefox on my Windows computer, and this is what I see when I access the forum:





I get exactly the same view when I access the forum from my laptop (Windows). No side bar, and no way to configure one either!

EDIT: OK, I may have solved your problem! I accessed the forum with my MS Edge, which I rarely used, by copying this url into the address bar, and as expected, I could see the forum and this post, BUT I was not logged on. With that in mind, I want to say that the sidebar showed up, and it is full of advertising! That is important to note, because both you and I are "Lifetime supporter", which means that we shouldn't see any advertising at all!! That is why I don't see any side bar when I access the site normally, and neither should you. Again, you should report this under the site support area that I had posted above.

EDIT2: Accessing with MS Edge again, and this time logged in as myself - NO SIDE BAR!
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I wonder if it's all has to do with the browser? I am not an Apple fan, and so have never used the Safari. I use Firefox on my Windows computer, and this is what I see when I access the forum:





I get exactly the same view when I access the forum from my laptop (Windows). No side bar, and no way to configure one either!

EDIT: OK, I may have solved your problem! I accessed the forum with my MS Edge, which I rarely used, by copying this url into the address bar, and as expected, I could see the forum and this post, BUT I was not logged on. With that in mind, I want to say that the sidebar showed up, and it is full of advertising! That is important to note, because both you and I are "Lifetime supporter", which means that we shouldn't see any advertising at all!! That is why I don't see any side bar when I access the site normally, and neither should you. Again, you should report this under the site support area that I had posted above.

EDIT2: Accessing with MS Edge again, and this time logged in as myself - NO SIDE BAR!
That is not the problem for me. As you can see in this screen shot, I am logged in (you can see both name on the upper left and Log Out at the upper right). Yet, I still have the advertising banner and no way to hide it. I don’t think it is a browser issue or it would affect all forums and all threads. I only see this panel in this forum and in this one thread. So, I think something unique to this thread is causing the issue.
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OK, I posted in the site support forum. And then I came back here and now the panel is working again as it should and I can hide it. This is just weird.

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OK, I posted in the site support forum. And then I came back here and now the panel is working again as it should and I can hide it. This is just weird.
I exited the thread and came back in and now it is locked in place again.

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Let's see how they respond to your message! As I said, as you should not be seeing that side-bar at all, regardless of whether it's locked or not.

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Let's see how they respond to your message! As I said, as you should not be seeing that side-bar at all, regardless of whether it's locked or not.
One admin has looked at it, but isn’t sure what is going on and he doesn’t have the same problem when he reads this thread. He is going to escalate it to some of the more experienced admins for review. It isn’t a huge deal, but it does make the forum harder to read when you lost 1/3 or more of the screen width on a smaller device.

Not seeing the ads was only one reason I paid the lifetime membership. The main reason is that I have gotten more than my money back in advice from this forum. I mean the lifetime membership wasn’t even 1/2 of an hour of shop labor at a BMW dealer.

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I have the sidebar on every thread and cannot remove it. (Win 10 & Firefox)
Same thing with Edge


I have no adds though because I'm using Adguard. (I don't even see ads in YouTube)

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I have the sidebar on every thread and cannot remove it. (Win 10 & Firefox)
Same thing with Edge


I have no adds though because I'm using Adguard. (I don't even see ads in YouTube)
The discussion have been moved to the Site Support forum. The reason that you see the side-bar is because you are not a Lifetime support member. The perk for being such member is that we are exempted from seeing any advertising on this site, and that side-bar is advertising. I had never seen that until I access the site with Edge, AND NOT logged on as myself. The bar disappeared as soon as I logged on.

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Well lets try to get this thread back on track.....

Put a deposit down on this bike yesterday and today with any luck bank will transfer rest of monies to dealer..... It's a 2018 with 6167 miles

I know I started out looking for an '08-10 but the more I looked and compared amenities for each year just kept climbing the ladder to newer and newer....

MBevans said it best.....
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But life is short. Buy a used RT-LC and never second guess yourself again....
Point Taken...Thank You Sir

Really like the color and I wanted the engine & side case bars.... The dealer had no service record but he remembered it was traded in by an "older" guy and I figured with only 6K how bad could the maintenance be??

Maybe one of you guys can help me with GPS question....This one had a mount/cradle and it looks the same as the one for my Garmin 595LM, double row of 9 pins, only difference being my has Zumo instead of BMW...I think my GPS will work with this cradle just not using the wheel, correct?

Any way won't take delivery for about 2 weeks...those weeks will probably be much longer than the 2-3 weeks I have spent in stay-at-home mode

Thanks for all your advice and pointers....hopefully we'll see each other down the road.
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Nice looking bike. Yes, at 6K miles you can’t have missed much in the way of maintenance since there is no chain to oil.

Did you keep your LT? I did’t see a trade-in mentioned. As a fellow LT owner looking at the RT, I am curious to hear your thoughts as you get more familiar with the RT. I think I know most of the key differences, but it is always good to hear additional perspectives.

Now if I could just get rid of the Premium Vendor Showcase panel on this thread so that I could read your posts better! Very annoying after buying the lifetime membership partially to avoid such things.

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Well lets try to get this thread back on track.....

Put a deposit down on this bike yesterday and today with any luck bank will transfer rest of monies to dealer..... It's a 2018 with 6167 miles

I know I started out looking for an '08-10 but the more I looked and compared amenities for each year just kept climbing the ladder to newer and newer....

MBevans said it best.....

Point Taken...Thank You Sir

Really like the color and I wanted the engine & side case bars.... The dealer had no service record but he remembered it was traded in by an "older" guy and I figured with only 6K how bad could the maintenance be??

Maybe one of you guys can help me with GPS question....This one had a mount/cradle and it looks the same as the one for my Garmin 595LM, double row of 9 pins, only difference being my has Zumo instead of BMW...I think my GPS will work with this cradle just not using the wheel, correct?

Any way won't take delivery for about 2 weeks...those weeks will probably be much longer than the 2-3 weeks I have spent in stay-at-home mode

Thanks for all your advice and pointers....hopefully we'll see each other down the road.
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GPS - make sure that you have the blank cover for the GPS mount, and if it's missing, get the dealer to provide one for you! It is handy to have, and I usually stash it in the left compartment. The mount does NOT have a lock, and so you should take the GPS off the mount and stash that in a lockable compartment, when parked in questionable areas, and protect the contacts of the mount with your blank cover. I have central locking, and so I simply take out the blank cover from the left compartment, and put the GPS unit in that same compartment before locking up the bike. I don't have direct experience with Garmin brand units in that mount (I have Nav V, and it IS made by Garmin), but I do know that certain model will fit. Don't worry about the "Wonderwheel". I don't use it at all for interfacing with the GPS. IMHO, the functions offered via the Wonderwheel is quite limited in usefulness.
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Yes I will keep the LT, I can't get anything for it (75K miles) and it's still fun to ride.

I have had use of a RT several times, when my dealer can't finish work on the LT they would give me a loaner and usually it's a RT(probably a subliminal sales pitch) so I'm not completely foreign to the bike but there IS a lot to learn.


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Yes I will keep the LT, I can't get anything for it (75K miles) and it's still fun to ride.

I have had use of a RT several times, when my dealer can't finish work on the LT they would give me a loaner and usually it's a RT(probably a subliminal sales pitch) so I'm not completely foreign to the bike but there IS a lot to learn.
I can’t remember now if you are a solo rider or have a pillion, but I am looking forward to your thoughts as you get even more familiar with the RT and can make contrasts and comparisons. I will likely keep my LT another couple of years, but mine is ow approaching 90,000 miles and is having enough issues with things getting flakey (cruise control) and things like the Tupperware cracking and such that I likely won’t keep it much past two more years and 10,000 or so more miles.

I’m just not really happy (well, my wife as well) with most of the alternatives. If I was a solo rider, then a K1600 or R1200 would be a much easier decision, although, I have to admit that if I was a solo rider, I’d probably buy an FJR1200 as it was just so much more fun to ride than the BMWs. Much better engine response and slicker shifting, etc. and for much less money and a broader dealer network. The FI on the was almost as good as the carburetors of old at off idle. I have yet to find a BMW that has a well mapped FI and I’ve ridden all but the sport bikes like the S1000RR. They all are rough at the off-idle area.

Unfortunately, riding two-up simply removes the FJR as a candidate and of all of the bikes we’re test ridden, only the GA even came close to the LT. However, we have not ridden an R1200 since 2007 so time to do that this summer, if the COVID over reaction settles down.

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2007 K1200LT "Starship Enterprise", VOICE II, Navigator V, Motorrad Communicator
1987 Kawasaki Voyager XII
1976 Kawasaki KH400
1973 Kawasaki 100 G5
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