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I bought my 2014 RT used and the canbus was throwing an error regarding the lights. Previous owner had installed HID Hi and Low bulbs ("Xtreme"). He also installed a "canbus fix", which is an inline capacitor that is supposed to prevent the error. Well that never worked. I talked to the retailer and they said I could try a newer capacitor fix that they offer. My thought was instead of spending $30 on a fix, should I just install LEDs which would draw a lot less power?

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I bought my 2014 RT used and the canbus was throwing an error regarding the lights. Previous owner had installed HID Hi and Low bulbs ("Xtreme"). He also installed a "canbus fix", which is an inline capacitor that is supposed to prevent the error. Well that never worked. I talked to the retailer and they said I could try a newer capacitor fix that they offer. My thought was instead of spending $30 on a fix, should I just install LEDs which would draw a lot less power?

Any recommendation on LEDs that work well on the 2014?

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There are a number of kits/bulbs that people have discussed on this forum and the BMW MOA forum. If you search around you should be able to one of the threads.

Last week I installed the Cyclops kit ( https://www.cyclopsadventuresports.com ) on my 2016 RT and I've quite happy with the results. No warnings or issues with the canbus, just clean white light.

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There are a number of kits/bulbs that people have discussed on this forum and the BMW MOA forum. If you search around you should be able to one of the threads.

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Thanks, I tried the search function and it was coming up with zero results. I know this had to be discussed before, so probably something wrong with the search function at the moment.
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Thanks, I tried the search function and it was coming up with zero results. I know this had to be discussed before, so probably something wrong with the search function at the moment.


I just put in cyclops in the search bar and it spit out all the threads. I have a 13 RT 90th anni Edition, and have DDM tuning HIDs. Definitely upgrade over the halogens, but every once in a while, one of the lights wonít fire up, most often itís the right light. And after turning the bike off and on a few times, itíll fire up. Kinda an inconvenience, so I followed this thread, for LEDs. Most guys now only post on the 14-newer RTs but thereís always good info


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I use these. Plug right in, no errors, no resistors (not capacitors), no bulky drivers to hide. I've had both Cyclops and ADVMonster ($300 invested) and didn't like either. This one was recommended by a fella in one of the Facebook Groups and he was spot on. For $35 delivered you can't go wrong.

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I use these. Plug right in, no errors, no resistors (not capacitors), no bulky drivers to hide. I've had both Cyclops and ADVMonster ($300 invested) and didn't like either. This one was recommended by a fella in one of the Facebook Groups and he was spot on. For $35 delivered you can't go wrong.



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Were these just for the wetheads?


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Were these just for the wetheads?
No. I have the same bike (90th Annv. RT).
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No. I have the same bike (90th Annv. RT).


Sweet. Did you replace all 3 lights or just low beams?


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Cyclops took theirs back (they are great by the way, I just didn't like the headlight). I still have the three ADVMonsters of which I'm using one in the high beam position just cause, well, why not, he wouldn't take them back.

I like the Intels because they are not absurdly bright. You can see from the image that they are are very bright but unlike the others, they are not so bright that you'll go blind looking at them during installation (or blind oncoming driver at night). I have green spots in my eyes now, as in permanent retinal damage, thanks to eyeballing them (Cyclops/ADVM) during installation.

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Cyclops took theirs back (they are great by the way, I just didn't like the headlight). I still have the three ADVMonsters of which I'm using one in the high beam position just cause, well, why not, he wouldn't take them back.

I like the Intels because they are not absurdly bright. You can see from the image that they are are very bright but unlike the others, they are not so bright that you'll go blind looking at them during installation (or blind oncoming driver at night). I have green spots in my eyes now, as in permanent retinal damage, thanks to eyeballing them (Cyclops/ADVM) during installation.

Edit: FYI, those are the halogens in my avatar, not the LEDs...


Sweet, Iím on the train so the image hadnít uploaded yet. They look super bright. Are the lights sold in pairs, or are they 35 each? And dagnabbit, Iíll have to order more dust covers as I drilled holes in them for the HiD cables...

Oh. Iíve never removed the high beam. I kept it stock. Is it an h7 too?


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Sweet, Iím on the train so the image hadnít uploaded yet. They look super bright. Are the lights sold in pairs, or are they 35 each? And dagnabbit, Iíll have to order more dust covers as I drilled holes in them for the HiD cables...

Oh. Iíve never removed the high beam. I kept it stock. Is it an h7 too?


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Two in a package. High beam is the same bulb. I'd just epoxy in a piece of plastic over each of the holes.
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Two in a package. High beam is the same bulb. I'd just epoxy in a piece of plastic over each of the holes.


Just ordered a pair, since they donít sell singles, I wait to see what it looks like with the stock halogen high beam. My HIDs were bright enough that I hardly ever used it, except to get folks attention or while lane sharing during daytime heavy traffic. Thanks for the info


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I hardly ever used it, except to get folks attention or while lane sharing during daytime heavy traffic.
I agree. I left that one in the high beam location cause I didn't want to bother to take it out. I will say though that an LED high beam has a strobe light-like quality to it. It really catches your eye.
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Plug right in, no errors, no resistors (not capacitors), no bulky drivers to hide.
Yes, resistor! Thanks for correcting my brain fart.

Thanks for the link....I think I will give those a try.
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Am I reading the manual correctly, the low beam bulb is a H7 and the high beam bulb is a H1?

Pappy stated both high and low use the same H7 bulb, but that is on a 2013. Did the 2014 go to a H1 for the High Beam?
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Am I reading the manual correctly, the low beam bulb is a H7 and the high beam bulb is a H1?

Pappy stated both high and low use the same H7 bulb, but that is on a 2013. Did the 2014 go to a H1 for the High Beam?

The Wethead is different from the Camhead.
The Wethead (sadly) has 2 high beams and 1 low beam.
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Am I reading the manual correctly, the low beam bulb is a H7 and the high beam bulb is a H1?

Pappy stated both high and low use the same H7 bulb, but that is on a 2013. Did the 2014 go to a H1 for the High Beam?
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The Wethead is different from the Camhead.
The Wethead (sadly) has 2 high beams and 1 low beam.
The Camhead has 2 dip beams and 1 high beam.
and for the wethead, the single low beam is H7 and the two high beams are H1


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and for the wethead, the single low beam is H7 and the two high beams are H1
Anyone have any H1 LED recommendations?
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Anyone have any H1 LED recommendations?
The Cyclops kit I mentioned above (although it has separate drivers and a plug in resistor) comes with all 3 bulbs for the wet head.

In terms of H1 bulbs that don't require any of this and still don't throw canbus codes, I've got nothin', although there certainly could be some out there.
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Thanks for this link. Do these install exactly as the oem halogen does in the low beam housing, with no mods required for my '16 RTW? Do they plug right into the oem wiring connector like a halogen bulb does?

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Thanks for this link. Do these install exactly as the oem halogen does in the low beam housing, with no mods required for my '16 RTW? Do they plug right into the oem wiring connector like a halogen bulb does?

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Short answer: Yes, they install exactly like the OEM bulb except there a short wire with a dual prong male connector on the end instead of the connector blades sticking out of the mounting plate like a halogen does. See the plug in the image foreground? That's it. None of that other crap. They plug right into the OEM headlight plug, you just need to make sure you get the polarity correct (on my bike brown is ground).

I have a Camhead so I can't guarantee they will work on a Wethead because I don't have one. I assume that headlights are headlights with regards to installation. My Facebook friend on the R1200RT/R1250RT group has been recommending these for a year at least and I know there are a bunch of folks over there that use them with no issues.

I've had them installed since the spring and there are no CanBus errors or heat problems. The beam pattern isn't as well defined as a halogen but, since I tested the other two brands I can say with knowledge that they are as good or better and besides, for $35, go ahead and buy a set. Don't be a putz like me and spend $300 to test the name-brands ones first.

I don't have a picture of the Intel installed but the attached image shows all the claptrap you need to stuff into the housing for EACH bulb with the other two. This is ADVMonster (heatsink). The Cyclops are the same but minus the heat sink (they use fans instead of a heat sink).

The Intels are nothing but that wire and plug you see in the foreground. Easy Peasy. Don't like them, you only out $35 and some time and the others won't be any better. I know.

Last thought on the subject: The Wetheads, having a single low beam with a symmetrical reflector design my be completely different than mine with its dual, asymmetrical low beam housing.
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The beam pattern isn't as well defined as a halogen...
In a side by side comparison do you prefer the actual illumination, lumens and color from these wonders over the oem halogen?

Thanks for the detailed write up they sound like a great product overall.

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I use these. Plug right in, no errors, no resistors (not capacitors), no bulky drivers to hide. I've had both Cyclops and ADVMonster ($300 invested) and didn't like either. This one was recommended by a fella in one of the Facebook Groups and he was spot on. For $35 delivered you can't go wrong.

IntelLED

Search the R1200/R1250RT Facebook group for "Intel LED" and you'll see a bunch of hits for this "bulb."
The reseller claims 120 watts. I guess that is for the pair, correct?
That is probably why you don't get error codes.

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The beam pattern isn't as well defined as a halogen...
In a side by side comparison do you prefer the actual illumination, lumens and color from these wonders over the oem halogen?

Thanks for the detailed write up they sound like a great product overall.
Actual perceived illumination is better and I find that the clear white hue make me stand out better. I put auxiliary lights (Denali S4) and they compensate for the beam pattern.

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The beam pattern isn't as well defined as a halogen
We had the same issues with early HID upgrade kits so many years ago...

If the replacement bulb's light source isn't correctly aligned with the OEM halogen filament position, then the light output isn't correctly focused.

You get more (HID or LED) light output than Halogen, but it is somewhat scattered. So less of it reaches the ground ahead of you, and more of it goes astray to distract oncoming drivers.

Not good...

Better quality bulbs (HID or LED) have better light source positioning for much better focus, giving you even more useable light while minimizing glare to oncoming drivers.

Even so, some Halogen reflectors just don't work very well with upgraded bulbs. The K12LT reflectors are notoriously poor, even with the factory Halogen bulbs. Still, through much trail and error, we were able to find a one or two "trusted" HID kits that gave a solid improvement with minimal downsides. And even then, dedicated driving lights (with manufacturer-matched bulbs and reflectors) made a noticeable improvement, even with decent HID upgrades.

We did a similar exercise over on K1600forum.com when LED upgrade kits started getting cheaper and more easily available. One K16 owner (a lighting engineer by trade) bought and tested maybe two-dozen different LED upgrade kits, and came up with only one type that he felt were good enough to put in his own bike.

Many of us bought that exact brand and put them in our K16's with good results. I even bought a set for my wife's car, which are still running well. Then the Chinese manufacturer/American distributor simply stopped carrying them, and the other offerings again fell short.

My current LT was upgraded with HID high and low beams by a previous owner. They're better than stock, but still unfocused, which is why I'm on the search for a decent LED upgrade kit that will work in the LT's headlight reflector housing.

And so the search continues...

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If the replacement bulb's light source isn't correctly aligned with the OEM halogen filament position, then the light output isn't correctly focused.

You get more (HID or LED) light output than Halogen, but it is somewhat scattered. So less of it reaches the ground ahead of you, and more of it goes astray to distract oncoming drivers.

Not good...

And so the search continues...
That is my concern. I want an LED bulb to 1)last longer than the halogen bulb, 2)Illuminate the road as well or better than the halogen, 3)correctly use the OEM reflector to produce a pattern that achieves 2, and 4)not blind or distract oncoming vehicles.

The standard H7 and H1 bulbs have a coiled filament with a standard position, orientation (axially along the bulb), and length (about 0.5 cm). The BMW reflectors are designed for a light source of that size in that location. The LED bulb needs to match this location and size to properly use the reflector. LEDs emit light from a point so duplicating a linear filament is not easy. Most LED bulbs I have seen have one or two high power LEDs on either side of a center heat sink/support. This may throw a decent light pattern but it will not match the OEM pattern.

Thanks to all for the discussions and especially for the photos of light patterns last year (https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-seri...-wetheads.html). For now I am staying with halogen since I have mastered the art of changing the H7 low beam bulb.

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I guess with all this being said, the ultimate question is why is BMW still using old outdated halogen bulbs, when LEDs last longer and put out more light? Almost all cars come this way, and some motorcycles come this way now...


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BMW started offering LED headlights on the R1200GS bikes.

I believe the R1250, F750/F850, and S1000 bikes are also starting to get LED headlights.

No luck on the K bikes yet though...

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BMW started offering LED headlights on the R1200GS bikes.

I believe the R1250, F750/F850, and S1000 bikes are also starting to get LED headlights.

No luck on the K bikes yet though...
No such luck for the R1250 RT either

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We had the same issues with early HID upgrade kits so many years ago...

If the replacement bulb's light source isn't correctly aligned with the OEM halogen filament position, then the light output isn't correctly focused.

You get more (HID or LED) light output than Halogen, but it is somewhat scattered. So less of it reaches the ground ahead of you, and more of it goes astray to distract oncoming drivers.

Not good...

Better quality bulbs (HID or LED) have better light source positioning for much better focus, giving you even more useable light while minimizing glare to oncoming drivers.
I completely agree with everything above. I'm an engineer and I don't really understand why some manufacturer out there can't solve this. It would seem to be a fairly simple problem.

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As I mentioned earlier, I tried the ADVMonster and Cyclops H4s and am currently running the Intel LED I linked to above. I found that the first two were simply WAAyyyyyy too bright to be acceptable. (I still, and likely now will always, have faint green spots in the center of my visual field thanks to all my damned fiddling with those Uber-bright LEDs.). I settled with the Intels because, of the three, they were the least bright. This sounds contra-intuitive but it's not.

LED bulb manufacturers seem to be caught in a "Lumen War." It makes no sense but that seems to be the thing. Go over and brouse Amazon. Ad after ad claiming 10,000, 12,000, 120,000(!) lumens. I think the one I linked to makes this ridiculous claim. It's stupid but I guess that kind of marketing drives sales.

LEDs have two advantages over halogens, they are brighter and they are whiter (or even bluish like HIDs). These two properties make them more visually striking and, it would seem, make the vehicle they are attached to stand out better. Their color is what matter to me as whiteness increases contrast at night and, to my eyes (what's left of them), make objects stand out better.

The issue about beam pattern is there and, from my back-to-back testing on my bike, is the same for all three brands I've mentioned. They all have pronounced scattering and poor projection to the right side (on US Camheads because the reflectors are asymmetrical) but since the Intels are not as bright, the glare doesn't seem to affect others drives as badly (at least not to the point where they start hate-flashing their high beams at me). I got flashed constantly with the other two brands but only once in many months of running the Intels.

To solve the right side issue, I bought a set of auxiliary lights and that seems to have completely solved my problems.

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The minute someone offers a well engineered LED solution I will buy it but for now, spending $180-something dollars to blind other drivers just isn't a proper solution and is, frankly, short-sighted and selfish.
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I really dont think we will see a good aftermarket solution, as for any typical factory halogen install, the reflectors from mfg to mfg are all diff.

The aftermarket LED guys are not going to build a special bulb, designed specific to each bike brand/model, too much cash investment on their end.

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The reflectors may be different but the halogen bulbs are all made to a standard (H1, H4, H7) and the filament is always in the same place. However, it is hard to duplicate a coil of wire suspended along the centerline of the bulb radiating in all directions when the LEDs need to sit on a heat sink.

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Yes, results will vary from one bike to another when you're trying to adapt. The Advmonster bulb works well on my wethead. Sorry that yours didn't come out as well pappy.

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where there are three LEDs to throw a 360 degree pattern but it is pricy
Amazon is filled with similar multi-sided LEDs now. You could buy 6 of any of them for the cost of one of these.

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Yes, results will vary from one bike to another when you're trying to adapt. The Advmonster bulb works well on my wethead. Sorry that yours didn't come out as well pappy.
That's why I prefaced my comments with a disclaimer they only apply to Camheads. The Wetheads have a single low beam which may explain why that unit works in that application.

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The ones we found which worked well on the K16 bikes had four LEDs per bulb, arranged in a flat diamond shape.

This seemed to mimic the halogen filament decently well.

Unfortunately, they don't seem to sell those types anymore...

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However, it is hard to duplicate a coil of wire suspended along the centerline of the bulb radiating in all directions when the LEDs need to sit on a heat sink.
Hi MichiganR80RT.
I am not sue I agree with that. A few years ago, you were right, but with COB LED's the light source is VERY compact and potentially very repeatable...possibly more so than a wire wound halogen.

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The reflectors may be different but the halogen bulbs are all made to a standard (H1, H4, H7) and the filament is always in the same place. However, it is hard to duplicate a coil of wire suspended along the centerline of the bulb radiating in all directions when the LEDs need to sit on a heat sink.

I am interested in this bulb
https://www.vehicode.com/goldpro200-h7.html
where there are three LEDs to throw a 360 degree pattern but it is pricy
You hit on the right variable, but what you said isn't quite true! Take a look at any of the LED bulbs that uses only 2 emitter LED. Pick one that has these emitters positioned at the right height (same as the distance of the halogen filament), and you will have an excellent duplication of the halogen filament position. One emitter will cover 180į of one side, while the other will cover 180į of the opposite side. What that mean is that, if you select that bulb that you are interested in, then you will NOT duplicate the emission of a halogen bulb!


Now that I have gone to the trouble of replying, I will go on to say that when I do the LED replacement, I will be selecting one with the braided copper heat-sink. The position of the two LED is about right, the heat-sink is flexible and can be easily fit inside of the headlight housing with its electronic module and all. Both Terry (realshelby) and Andy (bandytales) use these type, and I have had my eyes on them for a few years now, but I am one of the very few people that don't seem to be able to burn out a bulb!


BTW, there had been several threads in the past discussing this issue, and we are simply rehashing the same things again.

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I am not sue I agree with that. A few years ago, you were right, but with COB LED's the light source is VERY compact and potentially very repeatable...possibly more so than a wire wound halogen.
Compact and repeatable is good but to duplicate an axial linear light source you would need an linear array of LEDs, which should be possible if you can get the heat out. If it was not such a pain changing low beam bulbs in the wethead I would be checking out the patterns on a few of these H7 bulbs. Maybe that can be my winter project.

One thing I searched for is an SAE Certified H7 LED headlight bulb. SAE Certified should mean that a lab tested the bulb and it meets the H7 specs. I can find inexpensive bulbs that claim to be SAE Certified on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/LED-Headlight.../dp/B07MBZDDVR

I have been watching for one of the major lighting manufacturers to make an LED H7 headlight bulb. I found that Phillips is making a certified bulb but it is pricey. https://www.hidconcept.com/products/...eadlight-bulbs This bulb can be adjusted so that the heat sink is vertical to improve the beam pattern.
These bulbs claim 1760 lumens vs. about 1000 lumens for a standard H7 so they would be brighter but not blindingly brighter.

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Now that I have gone to the trouble of replying, I will go on to say that when I do the LED replacement, I will be selecting one with the braided copper heat-sink. The position of the two LED is about right, the heat-sink is flexible and can be easily fit inside of the headlight housing with its electronic module and all. Both Terry (realshelby) and Andy (bandytales) use these type, and I have had my eyes on them for a few years now, but I am one of the very few people that don't seem to be able to burn out a bulb!


BTW, there had been several threads in the past discussing this issue, and we are simply rehashing the same things again.
I agree, we are rehashing the same issues. I also agree that I like the passive cooling of the braided copper better than having a fan that can fail. I have only had one H7 fail and I stopped at a parts store, picked up a long life H7 bulb, and was on my way again in about 20 minutes.

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To distill it down to the key point...

What are the H7 LED bulb models that work with the RT without causing CANbus errors? And then H1 hi-beam models?
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All my editorial comments aside, these are the ones I've tested and do not have Canbus issues on 2010-2013 RTs:

Cyclops H7
ADVMonster H7
Intel LED H7

I know others have posted about successful installation of a couple of these on Wethead bikes so I infer from that all three of these will also work but I haven't personally tested that.

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Cyclops H7
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Intel LED H7

I know others have posted about successful installation of a couple of these on Wethead bikes so I infer from that all three of these will also work but I haven't personally tested that.
I have the Cyclops H7 + H1 kit on my wethead (2016) and have had no canbus errors or other issues. I've only done 300 - 400 miles since installing them, but I don't see why errors would suddenly start if they haven't been seen in the number of hours I've already ridden with them.


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All my editorial comments aside, these are the ones I've tested and do not have Canbus issues on 2010-2013 RTs:

Cyclops H7
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Intel LED H7

I know others have posted about successful installation of a couple of these on Wethead bikes so I infer from that all three of these will also work but I haven't personally tested that.
I can't find any place that sells any of the bulbs listed above. Where are they available?
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I can't find any place that sells any of the bulbs listed above. Where are they available?


There was a hyperlink for the intel via eBay up towards the beginning of the thread. Im tryin those because my HIDs sometimes donít fire up, mostly the right one, and I have to restart bike a few times....for the cost canít beat it


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Good first choice. The other two can be found by Googling the names. They have their own websites.

While you're in there, you might want to replace the connectors with these ceramic headlight connectors. A couple of my OEM ones crumbled. These just pop right on. No soldering or anything. The OEM spade connector comes out of the plastic housing and pops right into these.

Remember to pay attention to the polarity. The ground wire will be the same color on all three headlight plugs (brown on my 2013).
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Good first choice. The other two can be found by Googling the names. They have their own websites.



While you're in there, you might want to replace the connectors with these ceramic headlight connectors. A couple of my OEM ones crumbled. These just pop right on. No soldering or anything. The OEM spade connector comes out of the plastic housing and pops right into these.



Remember to pay attention to the polarity. The ground wire will be the same color on all three headlight plugs (brown on my 2013).


Great recommendation. When Installing my HIDs one of the connector housing crumbled right off. Smh. Will I have to remove headlight for easier install?


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Great recommendation. When Installing my HIDs one of the connector housing crumbled right off. Smh. Will I have to remove headlight for easier install?
Do you have to? No, but I would.

The forums are filled with the horror stories of people trying to do this with the housing installed. I've had some practice and I can have it all off in 15 minutes then maybe 20 to get it back together. It's an hour of your life you won't get back but at least it won't be filled with cursing, blood, pain, and sweat (if you do it in the summer).

The repair ROM is good if you have it but on one of these forums (BMWSporttouing maybe?) someone posted a how-to.
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Here's a thread for the Hexhead. They didn't change much if anything. You need to be a BMW MOA member to see this. There are too many individual posts to try to add it here.
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I can't find any place that sells any of the bulbs listed above. Where are they available?
H7 Plus LED Headlight - ADVmonster Currently out of stock.

https://www.cyclopsadventuresports.c...Bulb_p_86.html

The intelLED can be found on amazon or ebay.

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