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post #1 of 53 Old Dec 30th, 2019, 11:22 am Thread Starter
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Careful with hill start control

Just thought I'd pass along an experience I had with the hill start control this past fall. My wife and I were on a tour of Spain and Portugal riding an R1250RT. We are winding our way through a little town on cobble streets and come to stop sign at a T. I stop and wait for pedestrians to clear then pull out for a left turn. I did not realize that the hill start control had activated. I stalled the engine and the bike went down. MY left foot was caught under the bike and I couldn't pull away. In a matter of seconds the pedestrians and guys from the corner bar were helping us pick up the bike. We thanked them as quickly as possible and mounted up to move on before a traffic jam developed.

That evening I described the situation to the tour guide. He took the bike for a spin and admitted that it seemed excessively touchy. He also said (and here is the rub) that the system comes on whenever the bike senses its stopped on a hill. I had never heard about this "feature" and I asked him if he could disable it which he did though the settings menu.

By the way when we returned the bikes to garage, the mechanic said he had a similar problem not realizing that the hill start control was activated and he also stalled the bike, but he didn't drop it.

I think this "feature" may be an example of technology being asked to solve a non-problem and causing more harm than good.
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I agree, If I want to use the feature, I prefer to activate it, as needed. I appreciate the technology and the advantage it offers, but it is not needed at every stop on an incline, thus would become a bit aggravating to say the least.

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Re: Careful with hill start control

I have inadvertently activated the hill start control many times without knowing because I hit the brakes hard. Squeezing the lever hard activates them. I've stalled the bike because of this a few times. Now I look to see if it's activated before I take off.

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Re: Careful with hill start control

Thanks for posting that! I have the feature in my '15 RT, and don't like using it at all. I had thought that the feature had "improved" with the 1250, but it seem not. I was hoping for self-disengage, but clearly, that was not what you had experienced. I will find out for myself when I get my 1250 RT, and will most likely keep it turned off.
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I think this "feature" may be an example of technology being asked to solve a non-problem and causing more harm than good.
I think it is theoretically useful, but it was not optimally implemented unfortunately. I use it frequently to give my right hand a break at stop lights as I never put my '16 into neutral at stops. If they changed programming to come on automatically when slopes are sensed that's absolutely crazy and reminds me of the 737 Max if you weren't forewarned about it! What needed done w/ Hillstart is to do a much more seamless disengagement at takeoff such that you couldn't tell any difference between when HS is on or off at take off. Release has become a little better w/ more miles or more experience but ultimately because it always feels to me like I'm going to stress the clutch too much so I rarely use it as it was presumably designed to be used. One is never sure exactly WHEN it's going to release is half the problem.
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As far as I'm concerned it's a solution in search of a problem. Yeah. I would be handy in certain situations but I've never needed it yet (as in I never had a bike so equipped) in 35 years of riding.
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If I lived in the hills of Colorado, I could see it being useful. But I live in North Dakota. Not only are there almost no hills worthy, real corners are few and far between...
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Re: Careful with hill start control

The Hill control behaves differently from the wetheads and the new shiftheads.
It is possible to deactivate the auto function on the 1250. I don't remember the option to disable being available on the 1200.
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The Hill control behaves differently from the wetheads and the new shiftheads.
It is possible to deactivate the auto function on the 1250. I don't remember the option to disable being available on the 1200.
I don’t think you can deactivate it on the 1200 since you have to give the brake lever a pretty hard squeeze to make it come on. I haven’t used it that much ,but when I do I kill the bike about 50% of the time when I take off. Needless to say I use it sparingly.
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I don’t think you can deactivate it on the 1200 since you have to gave the brake lever a pretty hard squeeze to make it come on. I haven’t used it that much ,but when I do I kill the bike about 50% of the time when I take off. Needless to say I use it sparingly.
Yeah, I hate taking off from a stop with it activated as well. If I'm stopped on an incline and want to use it, I'll engage it (usually while waiting for a light to change), then disengage it and hold the bike with my foot brake just prior to taking off. For me, that's a much easier process than trying to rev it beyond normal to deactivate it. I watch the light and when the cross traffic signal changes to yellow, I'll disengage it.

I used it quite a bit when we lived in Seattle, where there are a lot of steep hill stops with long stoplights. Living now in Central Oregon, I seldom ever use it.
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Re: Careful with hill start control

I have a '17 1200RT and a '19 1250RT.

It rarely engages when I stop. When it does, I can feel it is engaged when I just start up. It feels the same on both of my RTs.

I am careful about it. If I know it is engaged I just squeeze the brake lever to release it before starting up again.

I have never found it engaged when I was starting into a turn. That could cause the problem mentioned at the top of this post. All I can suggest is to be aware of this feature and make sure it is not engaged if you are starting from a stop into an immediate turn.
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I like the automatic hill start feature on my 1250RT. When you stop on an incline it automatically enables the brake. I can take my hand off the front brake and no need to hold the rear brake with my foot. In addition the display shows a green H which let’s me know the hill start is enabled. When the light turns green and it’s time to go just put it in first gear and let out the clutch with a little more rpm and power through. The hill start disables itself pretty quickly.

That being said if I dropped my bike because i killed the engine I would be probably hate it. Like the OP said “be careful”.

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BMW - lol, renowned for solving problems that dont exist....eg iABS, Servo assisted solution......
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Re: Careful with hill start control

I've just come from a 1200RT to a 1250. When I picked up the 1250 the salesman warned me about the hill start assist pro, particularly when attempting to duck walk backwards down hill into a parking space. It's not going to happen if the incline feature is enabled. I don't fancy being stuck out in the middle of a lane of traffic while I WTF!

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I'm not a big fan of hill start assist. I've always used the rear brake to hold on hills. With a fidgety rear passenger, I can see the value in it, but my wife is always well balanced. I do have hill start on my 128i. It is absolutely seamless. You'd never know anything was happening. It's very handy now that hardly anyone knows about manual transmissions, and pull right up to your bumper on hills.
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Re: Careful with hill start control

I just remembered something that a 1250 owner said about the hill-hold. Apparently, the HH can be de-activate just by tapping on the foot brake. If that's so, then I can handle that. I just refuse to de-activate by a second squeeze on the front brake or ride through it at higher rev, which is the only options for the 1200s.


Another caution about HH is if you ever back your RT down a ramp off a trailer, and using the front brake to control the bike. One inmate of the other forum almost dropped his 1250 RT when he apparently squeezed the front lever a little too hard and the HH came on unexpectedly.

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Apparently, the HH can be de-activated just by tapping on the foot brake.
I did not know that. I will test it to be sure as that would be good to have.
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I did not know that. I will test it to be sure as that would be good to have.
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Re: Careful with hill start control

I use hill hold occasionally on my 2014 R1200RT. I know that tapping the rear brake disengages it and I think that a short squeeze on the front brake also disengages it. Due to this mornings snow my RT is also having a winter nap so I cannot confirm this.

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I use hill hold occasionally on my 2014 R1200RT. I know that tapping the rear brake disengages it and I think that a short squeeze on the front brake also disengages it. Due to this mornings snow my RT is also having a winter nap so I cannot confirm this.
My '18 hill hold works the same way. I use it to rest my hand, fiddle with my helmet, tank bag, cell phone etc. I find it a useful feature but would not like the auto-engage described by shift-cam owners.
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I had it on my '15 RT, didn't find it useful for its intended purpose - starting on hills. It took way too much throttle, therefore careful clutch work, to release smoothly without accelerating too fast. So I only used it at lights to fiddle with gloves etc. and deactivated it when I was done.

Didn't have it, and wasn't available as a retrofit, on my '16 GSA. Horrors! It was like every bike I'd ever had before the RT!

Came with my '20 GSA. Wow, it's way improved over the RT. I can still engage/disengage with a quick firm pull on the front brake but now it releases so easily and gently, it's like riding away on level ground - no need to maintain 3000 RPM to get enough power to break it free.

I haven't had the experience of it coming on automagically, but I've only put 1400 miles on it, and it's pretty level around here so I'll have to find a hilly parking lot to experiment on that. I'm particularly concerned about reports of it activating itself when going backward. I've not yet had an issue backing into or out of a parking place, and one I've used a couple of times has a bit of a slope to it (ride in, roll back out). Is it possible that people don't realize that they are in fact activating it and therefore think that it's activating itself?

Update: I found the menu option for HSC. Now I understand why some people report that it comes on by itself although it never happened to me. There are three options; Off, Manual, Auto. Mine was set to Manual. Perhaps I suffer from a lack of imagination but I can't see any situation where having it come on by itself is a good thing.

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I use it all the time at lights and use it like you would a car hand brake. It takes a hard squeeze while the bike is stopped to activate it and have never accidentally activated it. I never use it as an actual hill start and manually disengage it before I move off. If you can't start on a hill without it you should not be riding a motorcycle.


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19 R1250GS owner's manual states to firmly squeeze front brake or firmly press rear brake to engage or disengage.
I've inadvertently engaged both on my 16 RT and 19 GS. Performance was sketchy on 16 RT, so far fantastic on 19 GS.
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Came with my '20 GSA. Wow, it's way improved over the RT. I can still engage/disengage with a quick firm pull on the front brake but now it releases so easily and gently, it's like riding away on level ground - no need to maintain 3000 RPM to get enough power to break it free.
Well that's hopeful--is there any reason to believe this improvement in disengaging is limited to the GS line, and not the RT line?

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I went from a 15 to 19 RT
The HH in the 15 required gross usage. The 19 is far more subtle. It sometimes engages with the slightest hill, and the release is barely noticed.
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I couldn’t agree more. I’ve gone from a 2015 1200RT to a 2019 1250RT, both with hill hold but with the auto function on the 1250. I use the function a lot and find it a really worthwhile feature.

The 1250 is more sophisticated in the way it functions as the brake only holds as firmly as required for the situation thus needing far less conscious effort to get rolling again in most cases.

BUT after riding my new toy for a couple of months I nearly had two disasters within a couple of minutes. I was riding a good way from home to a race circuit, Cadwell Park in Lincolnshire - a famously flat county however near the circuit it has got some serious inclines. I was filtering slowly past stationary traffic queuing to get in and had to pause occasionally for the odd vehicle coming the other way. Twice the hill hold caught me out as it had applied automatically and I only avoided embarrassing crashes by the skin of my teeth.

The auto function is now disabled and I would recommend anyone else to do likewise. This aspect of hill hold is a step to far in my opinion. The manual bit works perfectly but the auto function is just a trap waiting to snare you!
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The Hill Hold is a lot better than it was on my 14 R1200. On my 1250 I have taken it off auto, so if I want it I activate it manually. Easy
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The Hill Hold is a lot better than it was on my 14 R1200. On my 1250 I have taken it off auto, so if I want it I activate it manually. Easy
Other than the auto function, how is it better than the 14?

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Other than the auto function, how is it better than the 14?
You don't seem to need as many revs. I used to be always reving it and worrying about stalling the bike when pulling away. The Hill Hold on my 1250 releases very easily and its not an issue pulling away.
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I agree with Casbar, it is easier to pull away in auto mode than the original version on the 1200 MOST of the time. But it can really catch you out on a steep incline.

My analysis is that the bike is applying the brakes only enough to hold the bike on the gradient it is on. Most of the time that is fairly slight therefore low brake pressure and little effort to get over when taking off. On a steep incline the brakes hang on for dear life and take some getting over when pulling away hence my near embarrassment in Lincolnshire in post above!
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As far as I'm concerned it's a solution in search of a problem. Yeah. I would be handy in certain situations but I've never needed it yet (as in I never had a bike so equipped) in 35 years of riding.
I love the Hill Hold function on my 1250RT. I thought I wasn't going to use it, but I've learnt it comes in handy for a variety of situations . . . . I wish it was on my S1000RR. It's one of the sweetest new feature I've come across in 45 years of riding.
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Re: Careful with hill start control

I do not use the H H function very often. I don't have the need. The first time I did try it on my 16 RT was a fairly steep incline. At a traffic light, no one behind me. Went to take off and stalled the bike. The unnerving part was the engine stall cancelled the H H feature and the bike started rolling backwards before I knew it. Near panic mode trying to figure out what just transpired I stopped the bike , regrouped and left the intersection without disaster. I think the side stand cancels the H H too.
Because I always forget to look, does anyone know if the brake lamp is illuminated while the H H is engaged?

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Nope. There is a circle on the dash with an H in it. Number 10 below.
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Does anyone know if the brake lamp is illuminated while the H H is engaged?
Yes, the brake light is on when hill start assist us engaged.

On mine, you have to squeeze the front brake pretty hard to get it to turn on, so it would be difficult for it to be on by accident.

Also, the rear brake does not engage or disengage it, only the front brake.

Other model years may behave differently, bit the above is how it works on my 2014.

I use the feature sometimes, but typically shut it off before starting. I use it when stopped, but need my right hand, though I would typically just use the rear brake. If the feature was not there, I would not miss it. I cannot think of a single case where I would say, "I sure am glad it has a parking brake!"
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  • Getting to my garage door involves a slight uphill path. I use the Hill Hold while I get to my remote-control door opener ~ it's especially great to have HH when I'm with a pillion.
  • Some traffic lights take ages to change . . . when riding with a pillion (or even solo), its great to take a break by using a Hill Hold . . . . . I don't live/ride on a pancake; we got hills here.
  • The Hill Hold is also useful when the pillion wants to get off the bike . . . . I can focus on stabilizing the handlebars without worrying about the brake.
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Re: Careful with hill start control

I use the function a lot. However, on my 1200, I always disengage it manually. It is an easy habit to get into. Just another hard pull of the brake lever the release as you would for a normal pull away.
Oddly enough, I use it more when I am 2 up than solo.
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I've used mine several times with no issues. The first time it came on I stalled the bike because I didn't realize that I had activated it. Then I went back and read the manual (what a concept ‒ RTFM). Now I usually just flick it off before I pull away. As another member has alluded to, the manual is your friend.




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I've used mine several times with no issues. The first time it came on I stalled the bike because I didn't realize that I had activated it. Then I went back and read the manual (what a concept ‒ RTFM). Now I usually just flick it off before I pull away. As another member has alluded to, the manual is your friend.
Are they saying the amount of holding pressure can be controlled by the user, or are they saying the system automatically senses the amount of brake pressure to be applied for a given activation so is not under the control of the user? It must be the latter but I suppose one might argue there is a range of levels of brake lever squeeze to get HS to activate, and pulls on the more extreme end of that range result in greater holding pressure, so in this instance the user does have control.

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The amount of pressure it takes to activate it would send you over the bars, of the bike were moving. You really have to squeeze hard.

Adjustable? Not that I know of, except for the 4 positions of the lever adjustment itself.
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I use it every now and then. I always disengage before attempting to move.
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Though I have used it at a traffic light, on flat ground, there are safety reasons why I should not do this.

Just like how I should not a) stop too close to the car in front of me, and b) not be centered behind the car in front of me, I should not have a parking brake on (HH).

Always leave yourself an escape route, and don't ignore your mirrors. People on motorcycles DO get rear ended when stopped on the road, and I think it is best to be prepared to get out of the way, to save myself. Rare edge case? Yes... But it only takes one time of not paying attention to get seriously injured.

2 of my 3 kids are driving now, and they never forget the #1 rule I have drilled into their heads. "Always assume ALL other drivers are stupid". #2 is to always be looking out ahead of you, to anticipate hazards. So, I feel compelled to follow my own advice, and always be prepared to escape danger.
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Are they saying the amount of holding pressure can be controlled by the user, or are they saying the system automatically senses the amount of brake pressure to be applied for a given activation so is not under the control of the user? It must be the latter but I suppose one might argue there is a range of levels of brake lever squeeze to get HS to activate, and pulls on the more extreme end of that range result in greater holding pressure, so in this instance the user does have control.
I can't speak to the system on the 1250, but on my 2018 1200RT I can regulate the amount of pressure that the brake applies with the pressure that I apply to the brake lever. Pulling it very hard means I have to give it lots of throttle to get it to release. Pulling it gently means less throttle to release it. In either case though, it seems that just flicking the brake lever with moderate pressure will get it to release.
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If I could give it back I would. Never use it and never will.

I really wish it worked as seamless as my car. When I let off the clutch in my car and give it gas I have to do nothing different then if I was sitting on level ground.

If it was implemented as seamless I would love it, but compared to my 6 speed Honda it is a very bad solution to a problem that never existed for me on a motorcycle.

I would hope BMW cars work smoother then the bikes.
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If I could give it back I would. Never use it and never will.

I really wish it worked as seamless as my car. When I let off the clutch in my car and give it gas I have to do nothing different then if I was sitting on level ground.

If it was implemented as seamless I would love it, but compared to my 6 speed Honda it is a very bad solution to a problem that never existed for me on a motorcycle.

I would hope BMW cars work smoother then the bikes.
They do. The system is flawless on my 2010 Bimmer.
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If I could give it back I would. Never use it and never will.
When I first read of HSC I thought, "Why would anyone want or need this BS!" It sounded like a solution in search of a problem, something that a geek, who had never ridden a motorcycle would invent, to "make it better for all us poor, incompetent riders."

My habit when approaching a stop was to use the front and rear brakes to slow down, then as I came to a complete stop, to use only the rear brake. At the stop I'd keep my right foot on the brake lever and put my left foot down to support the bike. When the light changed, I'd release the brake, quickly put my left foot on the peg, and accelerate away.

When I purchased my new bike, HSC came on it and I just figured I'd never use it. Then one day as I climbed a moderately steep hill with a stop sign at the top of it, I noticed that a truck a few lengths in front of me was spilling its load of gravel over the top of the bed. I came to a stop in this gravel, there was no way around it, and I had to put both feet down to keep the bike as vertical as possible and to prevent my feet from sliding out on the gravel. I gave the front brake level a squeeze, activating the HSC. Now free from worry about the bike rolling back when it was my turn to move up to the limit line, I was free to concentrate on avoiding the deeper piles of gravel. I inched my way to the limit line, using the HSC each time, as the line of cars in front of me moved away, sometimes I used the throttle to turn off the HSC and sometimes I used the "flick the brake lever" technique. When it was my turn to go through the intersection, I just gave it more gas than usual and moved away. It turned what could have been a dicey situation into one that was easy and comfortable to handle.

I’m no longer a Luddite when it comes to HSC. Now I'm a fan. But then I'm also a fan of ABS, self‒cancelling turn signals, ESA and the rest of the suite of computer driven/assisted features.
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I’m no longer a Luddite when it comes to HSC. Now I'm a fan.
It's very nice to have to free up your right hand if you don't put the bike in neutral at stops which I never do--I use it frequently. That it doesn't disengage seamlessly isn't a big deal, just wasn't expected. I enjoy all of the other tech features as well and they all work wonderfully. It's hard to fathom you can actually own all of this wonderment and have it work for you flawlessly. I keep expecting something to go awry but so far so good. Except my rear TPM's battery must be nearing its end of life.

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I can't speak to the system on the 1250, but on my 2018 1200RT I can regulate the amount of pressure that the brake applies with the pressure that I apply to the brake lever. Pulling it very hard means I have to give it lots of throttle to get it to release. Pulling it gently means less throttle to release it. In either case though, it seems that just flicking the brake lever with moderate pressure will get it to release.
Just to clarify things, I hope!

The 1250 has an inertial motion sensor that informs the traction control and ABS system about the bikes attitude and how much assistance is required to prevent wheels locking or slipping when braking or driving.

The same information is used to tell the hill hold system when the bike is on a slope. When the bike is stationary and on a slope, with the engine running the hill hold will operate if it is in automatic mode. Tellingly it only applies enough brake pressure to do the job so normally pulling away afterwards is much easier than on the 1200.

On a steep slope it applies plenty of brake pressure and you don't know it's even activated unless you look for the symbol on the screen, not necessarily a convenient thing to do in a busy traffic situation. This is what caught me out!

Using the hill hold manually it is a really useful feature, in auto mode I think it's a liability.
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Agree, how many times have you had to act ‘faster than expected’ to avoid a potentially dangerous situation. If you were not aware that hill start control was engaged, you might force an engine stall at a time that would put you in danger !
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Using the hill hold manually it is a really useful feature, in auto mode I think it's a liability.
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Agree, how many times have you had to act ‘faster than expected’ to avoid a potentially dangerous situation. If you were not aware that hill start control was engaged, you might force an engine stall at a time that would put you in danger !
I agree that being surprised by this feature on automatic might be a very bad thing should stuff happen. If I had this system, I'd have it on "manual." Being surprised, as the OP was, I'd probably have tipped over too! I hope the Tour Guide sets them all on manual and explains the feature to new riders, giving them the option to shut it off completely.
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