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post #1 of 25 Old Dec 9th, 2019, 2:14 pm Thread Starter
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R1200RT 2013 engine misfires

As the title says, I’m having a serious misfire on the low end and also while shifting. At highway speeds the bike runs perfect. If a pull the clutch in the bike dies. I can start it right back up. And it’s only intermittently. Some days it runs perfect. Bike has 45,000 miles. Last service was at 42,000. I went ahead and replaced the spark plugs but no change. It does do it more when it’s cold than hot. My valves were within spec and same with throttle body sync. I have a 911 and I have no codes. I thought it might be the coils but I’ve read that they just go out and are not intermittent failure. So at the moment I’m at a loss. Thanks
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Re: R1200RT 2013 engine misfires

Recalibrate the throttle:
  1. Ignition off, turn the throttle fully open and hold.
  2. Turn on the ignition (do NOT start).
  3. Cycle the throttle full-min-full three times (I'm not sure about the number of cycles but three has worked for me).
  4. Ignition off.
  5. With the throttle at idle, start the engine.

I had a similar situation last year. Then, I added some Seafoam and that seemed to help. This time it running rough and cutting out (no backfire though) and I think was due to my fiddling with the battery. It was corrected immediately after I did the above procedure.

It's not clear to me that will fix your problem but it can't hurt and takes all of 5 seconds to do. Try it before you go buy some Seafoam.

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Ok. I’ll try that. I replaced the battery back in September and I think I did that procedure then. But that’s easy to do. I’ll do that after I get off work.
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I tried the throttle recalibration and it was no change. Thanks though.
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Seafoam time...

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I thought it might be the coils but Iíve read that they just go out and are not intermittent failure.
Not so. The stick coil problems I have had over the years have NEVER been total failures. They have been deterioration. Maybe worth an investigation. However, I am not sure the GS911 would pick up on that.

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I did the sea foam about 2 weeks ago. It helped for couple days then back to engine miss.

This weekend I’ll troubleshoot the stick coils. There is a pretty good write up over on advrider.

Last night I checked the operation of the exhaust flapper and it’s working correctly. I did notice that it was really black and sooty(if that’s the correct term. Lol). At the last service it was a light brown. And I visually checked the fuel pump controller for obvious signs of corrosion/wear and it looked brand new.

Just letting everyone know what I’ve done so far. Thanks again for everyone’s help.

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Re: R1200RT 2013 engine misfires

I second the idea that it is the coils.

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I did the sea foam about 2 weeks ago. It helped for couple days then back to engine miss.

This weekend I’ll troubleshoot the stick coils. There is a pretty good write up over on advrider.

Last night I checked the operation of the exhaust flapper and it’s working correctly. I did notice that it was really black and sooty(if that’s the correct term. Lol). At the last service it was a light brown. And I visually checked the fuel pump controller for obvious signs of corrosion/wear and it looked brand new.

Just letting everyone know what I’ve done so far. Thanks again for everyone’s help.
Yes. Do keep us informed. These kind of posts inform anyone that may one day have similar issues. Also, please be sure to follow up with your final resolution. It's very common that folks will post a question about a technical issue but not tell us later what it turned out to be.

As I mentioned, I had a similar issue last year that resolved itself with the Seafoam but for all I know it may still be lurking. I'm going to file your findings away in case it recurs.

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This weekend Iíll troubleshoot the stick coils. There is a pretty good write up over on advrider.
Have you got a link to that?

I am interested in as much as I never found a useful way to test them EXCEPT by substitution.
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This weekend I’ll troubleshoot the stick coils. There is a pretty good write up over on advrider.
Have you got a link to that?

I am interested in as much as I never found a useful way to test them EXCEPT by substitution.
https://advrider.com/f/threads/testi....946092/page-2

About the middle of page 2 a person explains what he did to test his 06 1200 GS by disconnecting the wiring to each one. And figuring it out that way. I’m going to try that this Sunday. (Dec 15, 2019).
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I did the sea foam about 2 weeks ago. It helped for couple days then back to engine miss.

This weekend I’ll troubleshoot the stick coils. There is a pretty good write up over on advrider.

Last night I checked the operation of the exhaust flapper and it’s working correctly. I did notice that it was really black and sooty(if that’s the correct term. Lol). At the last service it was a light brown. And I visually checked the fuel pump controller for obvious signs of corrosion/wear and it looked brand new.

Just letting everyone know what I’ve done so far. Thanks again for everyone’s help.
Yes. Do keep us informed. These kind of posts inform anyone that may one day have similar issues. Also, please be sure to follow up with your final resolution. It's very common that folks will post a question about a technical issue but not tell us later what it turned out to be.

As I mentioned, I had a similar issue last year that resolved itself with the Seafoam but for all I know it may still be lurking. I'm going to file your findings away in case it recurs.
I will. That’s how we all learn. I’ll update as I go along.
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Re: R1200RT 2013 engine misfires

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https://advrider.com/f/threads/testi....946092/page-2

About the middle of page 2 a person explains what he did to test his 06 1200 GS by disconnecting the wiring to each one. And figuring it out that way. Iím going to try that this Sunday. (Dec 15, 2019).

I'm afraid it ain't that easy.
If you read the thread (you linked to), you will find that it works for one bike but not another. Steptoe seems to make it clear that it is easy to identify, but really, it isn't.
It is worth trying the procedure though. If it works and your bike runs cleanly with either the upper or lower set, but not the other way then you may have a 'win' situation. However sometimes there are 2 coils playing up.
Substitution with KNOWN good ones is by far the best way.
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About the middle of page 2 a person explains what he did to test his 06 1200 GS by disconnecting the wiring to each one. And figuring it out that way. I’m going to try that this Sunday. (Dec 15, 2019).

I'm afraid it ain't that easy.
If you read the thread (you linked to), you will find that it works for one bike but not another. Steptoe seems to make it clear that it is easy to identify, but really, it isn't.
It is worth trying the procedure though. If it works and your bike runs cleanly with either the upper or lower set, but not the other way then you may have a 'win' situation. However sometimes there are 2 coils playing up.
Substitution with KNOWN good ones is by far the best way.
That’s true. Same thing also if when I get to try it out then the bike runs perfect, since it only does it intermittently. I wish I could find a definite way to say if they were good or bad.
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I wish I could find a definite way to say if they were good or bad.
Ha! that is so true. You would thing that being electrical / electronic devices, you would be able to plug a box into them and know. However, with temperature / moisture / pressure / reluctance (to mention just a few) variable that come into play it just isn't that straightforward (sometimes).
Occasionally you can see something obvious. Like the body of the coil corroded or bulging a little. But so often nada.

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Re: R1200RT 2013 engine misfires

Here is a good place to purchase a full set of stick coils for your bike. They are on sale at an amazing price. Also get the puller for 10 bucks. Not using one easily damages coils.
https://www.euromotoelectrics.com/category-s/1754.htm
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Here is a good place to purchase a full set of stick coils for your bike. They are on sale at an amazing price. Also get the puller for 10 bucks. Not using one easily damages coils.
https://www.euromotoelectrics.com/category-s/1754.htm
Yes I purchased items from them several times. They ship fast. Mostly 2 day shipping. Great website to research parts and part number applicability.

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Here is a good place to purchase a full set of stick coils for your bike. They are on sale at an amazing price. Also get the puller for 10 bucks. Not using one easily damages coils.
https://www.euromotoelectrics.com/category-s/1754.htm
Ok cool. I’ll check them out. Thanks
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At 45k I had to replace the o2 sensors. My bike would die at lower rpm but always start back up. Never did show a code but I did see on the graph on 911 that it was acting up
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At 45k I had to replace the o2 sensors. My bike would die at lower rpm but always start back up. Never did show a code but I did see on the graph on 911 that it was acting up
I went out today to troubleshoot some more and the bike ran perfect. Imagine that. So unplugging and replacing the coil had the expected change in engine performance but didn’t tell me that was a definite problem of a coil being bad.

However, I hooked the GS911 back up and checked the o2 sensors and the graph is all over the place. Way too rich and bottomed out on way too lean. The graph wasn’t very uniformed either. Very erratic pattern.
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Normal pattern is up and down. A straight line indicates NFG.

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Ok, then they were working. Thanks
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Update.

Just to let everyone know that I got a deal on coils and oxygen sensor from the company that Beech recommenced. So I replaced all 4 coils and both oxygen sensors. And there was no change. It’s still misfires. Pretty bummed out at the moment. I went about 40 miles and it only does it random. I can’t replicate the problem.
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Update.

Just to let everyone know that I got a deal on coils and oxygen sensor from the company that Beech recommenced. So I replaced all 4 coils and both oxygen sensors. And there was no change. Itís still misfires. Pretty bummed out at the moment. I went about 40 miles and it only does it random. I canít replicate the problem.
I would post your problem on the BMWSportTouring site in the Camheads forum. There is a member "dirtrider" that is very sharp that might be able to help with your misfire problem.
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Just to let everyone know that I got a deal on coils and oxygen sensor from the company that Beech recommenced. So I replaced all 4 coils and both oxygen sensors. And there was no change. It’s still misfires. Pretty bummed out at the moment. I went about 40 miles and it only does it random. I can’t replicate the problem.
I would post your problem on the BMWSportTouring site in the Camheads forum. There is a member "dirtrider" that is very sharp that might be able to help with your misfire problem.

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