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Had a meeting 2+ hours away from the house last week, Wednesday, to be precise. Temps were in the 30s, but 'twas dry out, so I opted to take the RT. Probably should grab the heated gear, just in case. So, on with the sock, pant, jacket, and glove liners. Slid on my balaclava and off I went.

About 40 minutes into the ride, with temps in the low 30s, I notice that I'm freaking COLD! At my destination, I realized I had the wiring from the remote receiver on my Warm and Safe gear all fouled up. So, that's why I was so cold.

I fixed the wiring for the ride home and about 30 minutes into that ride, with temps in the high 20s, I was even colder than before! What gives??? Oh, and it was snowing too! Yippee!!!!

So, a quick email to Warm and Safe once I got home (and after about an hour-long hot shower!) and it turns out the BMW plug doesn't pull enough power to run all that gear? Then, why do they sell that adapter? Anyway, patiently waiting for the direct-to-battery harness to arrive so I can make sure all that heated crap actually works! Everything worked fine on the old RT, but I had the direct-to-battery harness on that and neglected to take it off after I totaled that bike last summer.

No point to the rambling here, just wanted to share. And, you know I like to share....

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Riding season's cooler warmth is just starting in Tucson -- finally!
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I guess you don’t wanna hear about the weather here in SoCal, 80s...for the next week too


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.... it turns out the BMW plug doesn't pull enough power to run all that gear.
Yep. It's crazy isn't it.
So the bike has power sockets at both the front AND the rear, but the most current you can draw (combined!) is only 10A. SO STUPID.
I did similar and have fused outlets added that can supply enough power. I have mine switched so the power is only available with ignition on to save draining the battery.

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I feel your cold!
I am a proponent of using hard wired heated gear. I have a harness wired to my battery for my Gerbings jacket liner and gloves. I've ridden down to 9 degrees F without needing heated socks, pants, just my hands and body need to be warmed. Good hunting boots with maybe a pair of those toe warmers inserted was all I needed even on the coldest days. Long johns, fleece lined bluejeans with a good pair of lined riding pants like Firstgear or Tourmaster works for the legs. No need to put the motorcycle away just because it gets cold. The only thing that makes me stay home is that crap pre-treatment they spray on the roads here in New England, I've seen too many wireing harnesses rotted away along with swingarm bearings and such from that corrossive crap.

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Had a meeting 2+ hours away from the house last week, Wednesday, to be precise. Temps were in the 30s, but 'twas dry out, so I opted to take the RT. Probably should grab the heated gear, just in case. So, on with the sock, pant, jacket, and glove liners. Slid on my balaclava and off I went.

About 40 minutes into the ride, with temps in the low 30s, I notice that I'm freaking COLD! At my destination, I realized I had the wiring from the remote receiver on my Warm and Safe gear all fouled up. So, that's why I was so cold.

I fixed the wiring for the ride home and about 30 minutes into that ride, with temps in the high 20s, I was even colder than before! What gives??? Oh, and it was snowing too! Yippee!!!!

So, a quick email to Warm and Safe once I got home (and after about an hour-long hot shower!) and it turns out the BMW plug doesn't pull enough power to run all that gear? Then, why do they sell that adapter? Anyway, patiently waiting for the direct-to-battery harness to arrive so I can make sure all that heated crap actually works! Everything worked fine on the old RT, but I had the direct-to-battery harness on that and neglected to take it off after I totaled that bike last summer.

No point to the rambling here, just wanted to share. And, you know I like to share....


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Riding season warmth is just starting in Tucson -- finally!
Southern California too. Its nice not to show up at my destination all sweaty after the long hot summer.
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Here in the SF Peninsula we are dipping into the high 40's low 50's in the wee hours of the morning. I have ridden in 30 degree weather when I was younger. I can't handle those temps anymore.
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It's 86 right now in Mission, Texas (Deep South Texas close to Brownsville and South Padre Island). We've had about seven months with temps mostly in the 90s or higher so we welcome the cooler weather.

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I am surprised you didn’t know those power plugs wouldn’t handle the load of heated gear. One of the first things I do when I get a new bike is to run electric for heated gear. Looking like this winter may tax even the gear For you guys who are bragging about living in the southern US and enjoying the temps right how how about
The temps in the summer when you can fry an egg on your seat ? Oh I forgot it’s a dry heat
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...For you guys who are bragging about living in the southern US and enjoying the temps right how how about The temps in the summer when you can fry an egg on your seat ? Oh I forgot it’s a dry heat
That's why we said that riding season is just starting, because riding in the triple digit temps sux.


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That's why we said that riding season is just starting, because riding in the triple digit temps sux.
I much prefer cool weather riding as long as it's above freezing. Very warm to hot weather riding is so much less comfortable and there isn't a whole lot you can do to deal with it whereas layers take care of the cold.
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For you guys who are bragging about living in the southern US and enjoying the temps right how how about
The temps in the summer when you can fry an egg on your seat ? Oh I forgot it’s a dry heat
Here in Tucson, AZ, my riding is reduced a lot in the summer because of the heat after mid-morning, but it is never zero. BTW in the summer's monsoon season it is definitely not dry heat. When I lived in Madison, WI, my riding was zero for 4+ months because of the snow, cold, and road salt. Ride less in summer or no ride at all in winter. You choose. Unfortunately, there is no perfect place to live in the U.S. All places have their pluses and minuses.

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I modified the fairing power socket on my '13RT to get its power directly from a fused battery connection. I put a BMW plug on supply cord for my heated gear and it makes for an easy one handed connection if I forgot to plugin before I rode off. I also put a BMW plug on the connector for my Battery Tender.
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Direct wire to the battery due to the BMW Canbus is the only way to go. For the GS I recently installed this Gerbing Panel Mount directly to the battery for my heated gear.
I also picked up two Warm and Safe battery tender adapters so I can power my air pump on the road if I happen to need it and I can keep the battery maintained with the Tender. No more dangling SAE adapter on the side of the bike, just a clean plug in.


Here is how it looks on my GS:
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I use an inexpensive, dangling SAE connector for directly charging the battery on my R1250RT (photo below) and R1200RT.

I have done that with all the RTs I have owned. Works perfectly all the time.
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...because of the snow, cold, and road salt.
I'm new to road salt/chemicals as I just moved to the Denver area this year. I've been out riding and wonder if I need to rinse the rims and other metals off regularly. I'm only hitting the very rare puddle but I can see some silt on the road which may be salt from the snowy cold snap.

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It doesn't get cold here. Not sure what's worse. 117 or 20. I've done both.

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Noel ALWAYS use cold or cool water to wash road salt and the calcium spray they use. Hot(heat)water causes a reaction to salts that will create even better conditions for rust.

I was very surprised when a Chemist I know told me to use cold not hot and explained why in very big words. What I do is suffer a cold wash and then do a warm wash if I really hog the bike up here in PA.

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Quick answer is: YES rinse after every ride with a product called Saltaway, sold at marine supply stores. It's designed specifically to wash the salt off metal parts like aluminum.

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I'm glad I asked thank you both! I only have a couple days now of exposure so hopefully I will be ok it's been cold enough to slow down chemical reactions and I am riding today and will rinse off upon returning home. Cheers
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Just got a new bike! Yay!! Cold weather setting in! Boo!!

I'll have to hold back to make sure I don't go over the 600 miles by too much this weekend, but getting the initial service done next week (closed Monday, of course) doesn't look too attractive, heated gear or no.




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Battery harness arrives today. In the 20s here, so I'll really get a chance to see how much better it works!

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Rode this morning in Indianapolis, 33 actual degrees Fahrenheit, and the first gear I have works wonderfully plugged directly to the battery. I have rode down to actual 0 Fahrenheit with this gear.
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Battery harness arrives today. In the 20s here, so I'll really get a chance to see how much better it works!
The coldest I have been out in is 14 degrees. At that temp IMO heated gear is just about maxed out. Rode from StL down to Big Bend NP one year in late Feb. Didn’t get above freezing until we were over halfway to Dallas. The hot tube at the hotel sure felt good that night
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I'm new to BMW bikes. I have an '03 rt and no heated gear besides the grips. I've ridden in the 30's on my Road King, that was.,.... Uncomfortable. This winter will be interesting. South Carolina puts paint and chrome remover on the roads during inclement weather. Vinegar is an excellent salt remover. I wonder if it removes the nasty stuff as well?
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I think the coldest I've run was near or below zero. Yes, heated gear pretty much maxed out and it wasn't very pleasant, overall!

The good news is, the heated gear is much more heated with the battery harness - gave it a good test in the garage with the jacket and glover liners. Going to have to give it a go tomorrow with everything on.

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I think the coldest I've run was near or below zero. Yes, heated gear pretty much maxed out and it wasn't very pleasant, overall!

The good news is, the heated gear is much more heated with the battery harness - gave it a good test in the garage with the jacket and glover liners. Going to have to give it a go tomorrow with everything on.
Looks like you should get a good test in as the weather people here say its going to get pretty cold around here.
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Here’s my control set up for my heated gear. It’s a Warm n safe dual controller. The hooks ups are at the front of the seat
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Here’s my control set up for my heated gear. It’s a Warm n safe dual controller. The hooks ups are at the front of the seat
Great job. Looks like it was installed at the factory.
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I am picking up my new R1250RT tomorrow morning. Of course we are supposed to have record lows in the low 20's tonight. Dealership is about 2 1/2 hours away. Hopefully temps are in the upper 30's by the time I ride the new bike home. I have a 30 year old Eclipse electric vest that I am still using. Think the stock power port on the bike will power it? I do have the BMW adapter to plug it in.
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I am picking up my new R1250RT tomorrow morning. Of course we are supposed to have record lows in the low 20's tonight. Dealership is about 2 1/2 hours away. Hopefully temps are in the upper 30's by the time I ride the new bike home. I have a 30 year old Eclipse electric vest that I am still using. Think the stock power port on the bike will power it? I do have the BMW adapter to plug it in.
You'll have to start low and work it up to whatever you think the maximum is. Without a way to measure the actual current flow it's just trial and error. I'm not sure if those ports reset if the draw drops or if the bike needs to be restarted. I'm guessing the former but that's just a guess.

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I am picking up my new R1250RT tomorrow morning. Of course we are supposed to have record lows in the low 20's tonight. Dealership is about 2 1/2 hours away. Hopefully temps are in the upper 30's by the time I ride the new bike home. I have a 30 year old Eclipse electric vest that I am still using. Think the stock power port on the bike will power it? I do have the BMW adapter to plug it in.
Why not while you are the dealer have them run a pig tail for electric vest ? What part of the country you live in ? If you have the $$ upgrade to jacket and gloves you won't regret it.
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I have a set of Widder electric gloves, they're only 15 years old :-)

Picking the bike up near State College, Pa. at Kissell Motorsports. Temps should be in the upper 30's when I leave there tomorrow. I think I should be fine. I actually have some pretty warm riding gear. I'm hoping the heated seat, hand grips, and a windshield make a big difference over my Super Tenere.

My wife will be following me in the car if I need to stop and warm up. We will stop a couple of times on the way home regardless. I don't want to take a brand new bike and ride 2 hours of interstate for break in.
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I have a set of Widder electric gloves, they're only 15 years old :-)

Picking the bike up near State College, Pa. at Kissell Motorsports. Temps should be in the upper 30's when I leave there tomorrow. I think I should be fine. I actually have some pretty warm riding gear. I'm hoping the heated seat, hand grips, and a windshield make a big difference over my Super Tenere.

My wife will be following me in the car if I need to stop and warm up. We will stop a couple of times on the way home regardless. I don't want to take a brand new bike and ride 2 hours of interstate for break in.
I was just thru that area on Monday coming from Connecticut heading home to StL. Looks like Kissell has had some good deals on bikes. I think the ride on the new RT will help keep the cold at bay too.......just keep thinking that
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Glad to report the new RT is safely at home in the garage. Temps were between 35 and 40 for the majority of the ride today. I was actually overdressed. I had turn my heated vest off. The heated seat and grips worked great. I started with both on the highest setting quickly had to back each setting down.

I will give Kissell Motorsports an 8 out of 10. Everyone was very friendly and helpful. Two things they could have done better. The led tail light for the topcase was not installed. The salesman and service guy didn't know it was included in the promo from BMW. It was laying in the bottom of the box. They are going to install it at the 600 mile service. The Nav VI wasn't on the bike when we got there. After signing all the paperwork and going over the controls of the bike, the salesman got a Nav VI from the parts guy. They took it out of the box and and did a map and software download. That took another 1/2 hour to complete. It would have been nice to have that started when we got there so we didn't have to wait around. Both minor issues and overall pleased with the dealership.
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Glad to report the new RT is safely at home in the garage. Temps were between 35 and 40 for the majority of the ride today. I was actually overdressed. I had turn my heated vest off. The heated seat and grips worked great. I started with both on the highest setting quickly had to back each setting down.

I will give Kissell Motorsports an 8 out of 10. Everyone was very friendly and helpful. Two things they could have done better. The led tail light for the topcase was not installed. The salesman and service guy didn't know it was included in the promo from BMW. It was laying in the bottom of the box. They are going to install it at the 600 mile service. The Nav VI wasn't on the bike when we got there. After signing all the paperwork and going over the controls of the bike, the salesman got a Nav VI from the parts guy. They took it out of the box and and did a map and software download. That took another 1/2 hour to complete. It would have been nice to have that started when we got there so we didn't have to wait around. Both minor issues and overall pleased with the dealership.
Good to hear all worked out for. Post a picture of new bike
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Installing the topcase LED brake light is very easy. Remove 4 screws and three plastic ‘rivets’ and the light bar light is ready to snap into place. 2 screws and plastic brackets hold the light to the original mount. Plug the wiring into the already in place pigtail, remount the assy with the 4 original screws and you are good to go. Takes maybe 30 minutes, I just mounted mine today.
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Installing the topcase LED brake light is very easy. Remove 4 screws and three plastic ‘rivets’ and the light bar light is ready to snap into place. 2 screws and plastic brackets hold the light to the original mount. Plug the wiring into the already in place pigtail, remount the assy with the 4 original screws and you are good to go. Takes maybe 30 minutes, I just mounted mine today.
Thanks, I will try that tomorrow. Just spent the last hour getting frustrated with my Nav VI not being recognized by my laptop. Google search shows that is a common issue.
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Crazy weather - was near 60 yesterday, high of low 40s today, then down to highs in the low 20s for the first part of the week.

I'm heading out of town on Tuesday morning - should be a brisk ride to the airport at 6am with temps in the teens.... awesome.

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Crazy weather - was near 60 yesterday, high of low 40s today, then down to highs in the low 20s for the first part of the week.

I'm heading out of town on Tuesday morning - should be a brisk ride to the airport at 6am with temps in the teens.... awesome.
Same here in StL. 66 & sunny. Went for a ride in the morning on one bike and took the other out this afternoon. Snow tomorrow . Down to 15 on Tuesday.
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