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Clymer/Haynes versus factory CD?

If I have the factory CD service manual, do I also need a Clymer or Haynes repair manual? Do the paperbacks have something the CD does not? TIA.

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Re: Clymer/Haynes versus factory CD?

BMW has DVD with very detailed instructions on exactly what to do, but it is very cryptic. Good to have for reference, but if I were you, I would wait to see if you might need it, because it's quite expensive. Probably not needed, because there are tons of online information on your camhead RT already. As for the other manual, I seem to have the idea that you are fairly mechanically apt, and so I would recommend saving your money and refer to the video on the JVB website for some guidance, even though everything that you will be doing is very straight forward, once you have gone through them once! If you MUST spend some money, then buy the JVB DVD and support a fellow rider!

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The Haynes manual has very detailed wiring diagrams which, paradoxically, the BMW DVD does not. The DVD is great for it's step by step sequencing and hot links between procedures. Torque specs are right there.

I have them both and there's nothing I can't do.

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Clymer/Haynes versus factory CD?

After owning two RTs over the past few years I have the BMW CD, a Haynes AND the JVB resources...they all have their advantages.

If you already have the BMW CD that will likely meet most (if not all) of your needs....remember most Haynes manuals can be purchased/accessed online so they are instantly available.

The Haynes/Clymer manuals DO have better pics/illustrations for specific jobs - plus wiring diagrams in some cases (those schematics are not on the BMW CD).

As another member mentioned there is also a wealth of info (tribal knowledge) here on the forum that saved my butt on many occasions...plus tips/tricks for Ďspecialí tools and procedures.


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BMW has DVD with very detailed instructions on exactly what to do, but it is very cryptic. Good to have for reference, but if I were you, I would wait to see if you might need it, because it's quite expensive. Probably not needed, because there are tons of online information on your camhead RT already. As for the other manual, I seem to have the idea that you are fairly mechanically apt, and so I would recommend saving your money and refer to the video on the JVB website for some guidance, even though everything that you will be doing is very straight forward, once you have gone through them once! If you MUST spend some money, then buy the JVB DVD and support a fellow rider!
Thanks PadG, I already have the JVB DVD, it is well done and as you said most of the procedures look pretty simple. (oh no! I shouldn't have said that, now I have jinxed myself!). Most of the maintenance I want to do first is covered in it. The other things I can probably find on youTube or here.

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Re: Clymer/Haynes versus factory CD?

Pappy53 and Rangemaster, Thank you for your advice. If I find a used (read cheap) BMW DVD I'll go ahead and pick it up. It certainly won't hurt to have it available. I did not know the Clymer/Haynes manuals were available online. Is it a subscription? I have also spent several hours reading this forum. I'm going back in history, so far I'm to page 16!

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Re: Clymer/Haynes versus factory CD?

I recommend having the OEM DVD. It will not let you make a mistake. But it is intended for a mechanic. You also need either Haynes or Clymers as a supliment. JVB video on valve and cam timing for the wet head bikes leaves out important procedure for setting the cam timing that goes along with the valve check. Just putting a straight edge along the edges of the timing lugs on the cam shaft ends does not accomplish anything. You need a TDC locking tool, a cam chain tension device and a bridge tool to place on the cam shaft ends. And please understand this timing will make a world of difference in the running of your bike. Along with the proper positioning of the reluctor on exhaust camshaft on the left side of the bike.
Work on your earlier model bike is straight forward and as mentioned plenty of on line information. I used the above work as an example that you need to use multiple sources to be sure your going in the correct direction.
I know the DVD is expensive but so is most any good manual. We should be glad that BMW takes the trouble to produce the service DVD for public consumption. It has details that can be overlooked. And of course some procedures can and are modified by others. In the K12,13 series DVD there is a mistake in photographs of cam timing, so everything has to be examined carefully no matter where you get your information.

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I know the DVD is expensive but so is most any good manual. We should be glad that BMW takes the trouble to produce the service DVD for public consumption. It has details that can be overlooked.
It's WELL worth the cost. The DVD is my primary reference source. I really only use the Haynes if someone on a forum posts a wiring question. 8-)

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Pappy53 and Rangemaster, Thank you for your advice. If I find a used (read cheap) BMW DVD I'll go ahead and pick it up. It certainly won't hurt to have it available. I did not know the Clymer/Haynes manuals were available online. Is it a subscription? I have also spent several hours reading this forum. I'm going back in history, so far I'm to page 16!


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It's WELL worth the cost. The DVD is my primary reference source. I really only use the Haynes if someone on a forum posts a wiring question. 8-)
Thanks beech and Pappy53,

Well, I know how to run a torque wrench, but a multi-meter... that's a different story. I can measure the basics but when it gets intricate, I need to watch some YouTube! I can wire lights and horns etc. but this is my first bike with a can buss wiring system. I'm not sure of the implications...

I guess I'll be in the market for a DVD also.

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Thanks beech and Pappy53,



Well, I know how to run a torque wrench, but a multi-meter... that's a different story. I can measure the basics but when it gets intricate, I need to watch some YouTube! I can wire lights and horns etc. but this is my first bike with a can buss wiring system. I'm not sure of the implications...



I guess I'll be in the market for a DVD also.


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If youíre thinking about adding accessory driving lights, horn and brake lights on your 2012 RT you might want to look at a Hex ezCAN...makes life alot simpler.

I installed an ezCAN on my current 09RT and it was much less work than my previous one (installing a fuseblock, relays and switches).

If you have questions feel free to PM me and/or we can get on the phone to discuss your farkling plans...


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CalGX:

If youíre thinking about adding accessory driving lights, horn and brake lights on your 2012 RT you might want to look at a Hex ezCAN...makes life alot simpler.

I installed an ezCAN on my current 09RT and it was much less work than my previous one (installing a fuseblock, relays and switches).

If you have questions feel free to PM me and/or we can get on the phone to discuss your farkling plans...


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Thank you rangemaster, that is a generous offer. I think at least one of my winter projects for this bike is going to be additional lights of some sort, probably LED's. I live in deer country and have to go to work around 5am. Prime time to meet a deer. So additional, forward looking lights are in order. I had never heard of an ezCan, I will have to check that out.

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When I get in front of a keyboard I'll type up something and how the Canbus works in a Camhead. It's no big deal.

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I recommend having the OEM DVD. It will not let you make a mistake. But it is intended for a mechanic. You also need either Haynes or Clymers as a supliment. JVB video on valve and cam timing for the wet head bikes leaves out important procedure for setting the cam timing that goes along with the valve check. Just putting a straight edge along the edges of the timing lugs on the cam shaft ends does not accomplish anything. You need a TDC locking tool, a cam chain tension device and a bridge tool to place on the cam shaft ends. And please understand this timing will make a world of difference in the running of your bike. Along with the proper positioning of the reluctor on exhaust camshaft on the left side of the bike.
Work on your earlier model bike is straight forward and as mentioned plenty of on line information. I used the above work as an example that you need to use multiple sources to be sure your going in the correct direction.
I know the DVD is expensive but so is most any good manual. We should be glad that BMW takes the trouble to produce the service DVD for public consumption. It has details that can be overlooked. And of course some procedures can and are modified by others. In the K12,13 series DVD there is a mistake in photographs of cam timing, so everything has to be examined carefully no matter where you get your information.
Beech - he has a camhead!

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Thank you rangemaster, that is a generous offer. I think at least one of my winter projects for this bike is going to be additional lights of some sort, probably LED's. I live in deer country and have to go to work around 5am. Prime time to meet a deer. So additional, forward looking lights are in order. I had never heard of an ezCan, I will have to check that out.


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https://www.hexezcan.com

Look thru the BMW stuff (they also make one for H-Ds now as well)...it shows installation and operating features.


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Re: Clymer/Haynes versus factory CD?

Thanks gents, you have been a wealth of information.

Rangemaster- I looked at the Hex page, that does appear to make it simpler. The last thing I need is to fry the onboard computer.

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