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I have been a long-time member here since 2016 when I bought my second RT, back then it was a Platinum R1200RT then 2017 seen me buy a 2017 K1600GTL before having a spell and selling it to buy a 2018 Indian Road Master. 4th October I bought a new 2019 R1250RT with top box and fog lights. I had my first service done a week later and love the new 1250 Shift cam along with the new updated Hill hold control that is a vast improvement over the older one on my last 2 BMW`s I love the fact you can set it to come on automatically on any grade of 5 degrees or more including facing downhill then ride off without the hassle of the old system where you needed to use the hand brake pressure to release it again. The motor is much smoother along with the shift Pro Assist. I am loving the fact that this bike is so light and nimble has the torque handling and overall a nice bike to ride. 2 things I miss about the Road Master is the comfort even though its weight was around 422 kg and the Dash / Sat Nav set up with a fantastic stereo system that BMW needs to bring up to other bikes standards and it has not changed in years and way outdated.
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Enjoy the new 1250 RT... Loving my 17 RT for now, but like the changes on the 1250.

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Enjoy the new 1250 RT... Loving my 17 RT for now, but like the changes on the 1250.

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The only thing that pulls me to the 1250 is the self levelling suspension.
My '17 has way more performance than I need. The gearbox feels identical to my very smooth one, so no change there. The engine in terms of smoothness - my 1200 is to all intents and purposes the same level of smoothness.
So if you were buying and trading up from an earlier model I would recommend the 1250, but for someone with the gearbox upgrade that came at the end of '16, The newer bike offers not a lot.
Still waiting for lighting upgrades!
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The only thing that pulls me to the 1250 is the self levelling suspension.
My '17 has way more performance than I need. The gearbox feels identical to my very smooth one, so no change there. The engine in terms of smoothness - my 1200 is to all intents and purposes the same level of smoothness.
So if you were buying and trading up from an earlier model I would recommend the 1250, but for someone with the gearbox upgrade that came at the end of '16, The newer bike offers not a lot.
Still waiting for lighting upgrades!
I can't see any lighting upgrades on any of the 2020 models and to be honest think it is about time BMW look at a better dash that incorporates a modern radio/nav and coms system that in 2019 onwards should also include Appel / Android car play. The design of the RT has not really changed that much over the years and if I look back at my R1100RT all those years ago the only real changes are the electronics with suspension and pro assist ,but the radio and Bluetooth system has a lot to be desired and getting to be very tired compared to other brands. I know you don't change things if they are not broken but you should have the tech guys and designers look into the future on a premium bike such as the BMWs are. I know the sports models have much better dashed and features that have LED dash etc, how hard would it be to change the RT and GT/GTL to incorporate a modern unit so you don't need to but a separate navigation unit or use an outdated radio system as they stand now. Don't get me wrong I have owned 4 BMW bikes over the years and love the speed and handling they have over so many other bikes but even my Indian Road Master had a much better stereo, speaker and Navigation system than the new 2019 RT does let alone the GTL and GT have at this point. It is not as if these are cheap bikes so a little more thought on the design gong into the future would be nice and to keep up with other manufacturers that also make premium bikes. This might seem like a bitch but really meant to be more of a constructive comment rather than anything else.

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The only thing that pulls me to the 1250 is the self levelling suspension.
My '17 has way more performance than I need. The gearbox feels identical to my very smooth one, so no change there. The engine in terms of smoothness - my 1200 is to all intents and purposes the same level of smoothness.
So if you were buying and trading up from an earlier model I would recommend the 1250, but for someone with the gearbox upgrade that came at the end of '16, The newer bike offers not a lot.
Still waiting for lighting upgrades!
I finally convinced my wife to try riding again last weekend. The auto leveling is fantastic. The bike handles so much better than a manually adjusted suspension, even after I've adjusted it for the weight.

Regarding smoothness. You should ride a 1250 with some miles on it. Mine smoothed out significantly in the first 5 thousand miles. I'm closing in on 11k now. MPG gets better with miles too. I'm now averaging 47MPG in all around riding. When I first got it, it was 42MPG. Love it more now than the day I picked it up
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Love it more now than the day I picked it up
Me too, my '16 I custom ordered and now have 42K miles on
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I have been a long-time member here since 2016 when I bought my second RT, back then it was a Platinum R1200RT then 2017 seen me buy a 2017 K1600GTL before having a spell and selling it to buy a 2018 Indian Road Master. 4th October I bought a new 2019 R1250RT with top box and fog lights. I had my first service done a week later and love the new 1250 Shift cam along with the new updated Hill hold control that is a vast improvement over the older one on my last 2 BMW`s I love the fact you can set it to come on automatically on any grade of 5 degrees or more including facing downhill then ride off without the hassle of the old system where you needed to use the hand brake pressure to release it again. The motor is much smoother along with the shift Pro Assist. I am loving the fact that this bike is so light and nimble has the torque handling and overall a nice bike to ride. 2 things I miss about the Road Master is the comfort even though its weight was around 422 kg and the Dash / Sat Nav set up with a fantastic stereo system that BMW needs to bring up to other bikes standards and it has not changed in years and way outdated.
Congrats on the new bike. Just picked mine up last Saturday. Still waiting for the top box (on order). I upgraded from a 2010 1200RT so you know there is a bigger smile on my face now with all the new features I didn't have on the 2010.
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I can't see any lighting upgrades on any of the 2020 models and to be honest think it is about time BMW look at a better dash that incorporates a modern radio/nav and coms system that in 2019 onwards should also include Appel / Android car play. The design of the RT has not really changed that much over the years and if I look back at my R1100RT all those years ago the only real changes are the electronics with suspension and pro assist ,but the radio and Bluetooth system has a lot to be desired and getting to be very tired compared to other brands. I know you don't change things if they are not broken but you should have the tech guys and designers look into the future on a premium bike such as the BMWs are. I know the sports models have much better dashed and features that have LED dash etc, how hard would it be to change the RT and GT/GTL to incorporate a modern unit so you don't need to but a separate navigation unit or use an outdated radio system as they stand now. Don't get me wrong I have owned 4 BMW bikes over the years and love the speed and handling they have over so many other bikes but even my Indian Road Master had a much better stereo, speaker and Navigation system than the new 2019 RT does let alone the GTL and GT have at this point. It is not as if these are cheap bikes so a little more thought on the design gong into the future would be nice and to keep up with other manufacturers that also make premium bikes. This might seem like a bitch but really meant to be more of a constructive comment rather than anything else.
Congrats on the awesome new bike. Don't take this wrong, but some of us luddites don't want all those "enhancements". Personally, I think the bike is bordering on too complex already - several buttons on that left grip, and plenty of trip and status information available with the existing info screen and NAV 6. I bought a new helmet with an integrated Sena and haven't used it once, and I don't want a full TFT screen either. I like the mechanical sound of the motor, real gauges, knobs and buttons and don't want to drill into menus to accomplish simple things. For me it all takes away some of the visceral and elemental pleasure of the riding experience. I have even thought of finding a pre-TFT GS and I did buy the last Audi A4 I could get before the LCD gauges and huge touchscreen.. the "virtual cockpit" took over. I want a real cockpit, lol.
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My '17 has way more performance than I need.
I don't ride fast and I don't ride hard but in one area of performance my '15 is inadequate.
Fully loaded (but solo) when I'm in 6th gear and swing out to overtake the acceleration from 100kph to say 140 for overtaking is lacking. I spend too much time on the wrong side of the road. I could change down to 5th but I don't. Looking at the torque curve of the shift cam convinces me to upgrade. And as a bonus most of my farkles can move straight over.

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Guys thanks for your comments and opinions. I have to say this bike with the 1250 is a big improvement over the 1200 I have only had the bike 2 weeks and getting really good mileage from it and it is still tight as I and you would expect also. I have only done about 1,400 klms or around 870 miles so far mostly country winding roads with both uphill and downhill grades. The bike pulls well I mostly ride it in dynamic mode but tried the road mode to see what it was like today. It is a lot softer so I think I will be leaving it in the dynamic mode as I Love the firmness and handling that it gives.. The one and the only complaint I have is the comfort with the seat is not or anywhere near as good as the Indian Road Masters were. But you can't have everything, what it lacks there it makes up for in performance and handling.
Thanks again guys and to those amongst us that have already bought a new R1250 RT I know how you must feel each time you ride and those who have ordered one and waiting for delivery you will love the bike so much. Ride safe and have fun.
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I don't ride fast and I don't ride hard but in one area of performance my '15 is inadequate.
Fully loaded (but solo) when I'm in 6th gear and swing out to overtake the acceleration from 100kph to say 140 for overtaking is lacking. I spend too much time on the wrong side of the road. I could change down to 5th but I don't. Looking at the torque curve of the shift cam convinces me to upgrade. And as a bonus most of my farkles can move straight over.
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Mate, why wouldn't you shift down? That's what the gearbox is for. I am in 4th already before making a pass from 100kph and the bike response is immediate and strong. Even if you're following for some time it will run all day in 4th at that speed so certainly won't cause any harm. Seems an expensive solution to upgrade when a couple of toe taps takes care of the problem.

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Fully loaded (but solo) when I'm in 6th gear and swing out to overtake the acceleration from 100kph to say 140 for overtaking is lacking. Ian
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Are you in Dynamic ride mode? If not (and you have the option), give it a try! Gives your RT a whole 'nother personality. Also, if you have Shift-Assist, a couple of quickshifts and you have more than enough power. 6th is an overdrive gear. What do you expect it to do?

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I don't ride fast and I don't ride hard but in one area of performance my '15 is inadequate.
Fully loaded (but solo) when I'm in 6th gear and swing out to overtake the acceleration from 100kph to say 140 for overtaking is lacking. I spend too much time on the wrong side of the road. I could change down to 5th but I don't. Looking at the torque curve of the shift cam convinces me to upgrade. And as a bonus most of my farkles can move straight over.
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Mate, why wouldn't you shift down? That's what the gearbox is for. I am in 4th already before making a pass from 100kph and the bike response is immediate and strong. Even if you're following for some time it will run all day in 4th at that speed so certainly won't cause any harm. Seems an expensive solution to upgrade when a couple of toe taps takes care of the problem.

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OK, OK I confess ...... I want a new one because I want a new one.
Even if I can't convince anyone else I can convince myself - self levelling suspension, improved hill start assist and shift assist, more torque, better fuel consumption, most farkles move over and so on and so on. At a particular age and stage of life you adopt a different logic to some things.

Hope my wife doesn't read this.

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Just traded up also from a 17.

Certainly an improvement but I am finding its much "louder" than the previous.

I wear Earmold plugs and could hear basic exhaust noise on the old one. This one is much louder especially cruising at 100KM. Maybe because its new.

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Just traded up also from a 17.

Certainly an improvement but I am finding its much "louder" than the previous.

I wear Earmold plugs and could hear basic exhaust noise on the old one. This one is much louder especially cruising at 100KM. Maybe because its new.

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Wow not being rude but you must have sensitive hearing I thought the exhaust is fine with a nice note. But that just could be me, coming off an Indian Road Master with stage 1 exhaust, air cleaner, and stage 2 cams. I loved that exhaust on that bike , but could never understand how a lot of the guys especially in the USA wanted them to be louder.
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OK, OK I confess ...... I want a new one because I want a new one.
Even if I can't convince anyone else I can convince myself - self levelling suspension, improved hill start assist and shift assist, more torque, better fuel consumption, most farkles move over and so on and so on. At a particular age and stage of life you adopt a different logic to some things.

Hope my wife doesn't read this.

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LOL Ian I understand where you are coming from. I have always found to aske for forgiveness is much more easy than asking for permission. Mind you I am no different in the last 18 mths. I went from an R1200RT to a K1600GTL then the Road Master and now back to the BMW R1250RT. i really did not need to change any of the bikes but wanted the change so before I did the last job on my self lol. I had to make my mind up that, I would be happy with the RT over another K1600GTL, what helped was the fact the 422 kg of the Roadmaster and if I bought a K1600 GTL it was no real advantage weight-wise with very little difference of around 160 kg so going with the RT at around 279 kg`s won out. I don't think I will regret it as it is light enough for me to ride for a few more years by that time I won't be young enough to think about riding bikes any longer not that weight was too big of an issue at the moment and I am around 74 kg but at 65 years of age I think I need to look a bit further into the future and the Rt should take me to the end of my riding days in about 10 or so years time.
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Not rude.
I rode for a few years on R1200 and K1600 without plugs. I realised how much damage to me I was doing.
I chose to get custom plugs with the 17 rt and found I eliminated most noise except low tones such as exhaust. I couldn't hear any road, tyre or engine noise. Exhaust was fine and enjoyable.
On the new r1250 still have no road, tyre or engine but the exhaust is much louder.
If I wanted the exhaust loud as I had done on previous bikes I would have added louder exhausts.
I got used to quiet rides with music. Now its dominant.
Not bad...just different.
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Not rude.
I rode for a few years on R1200 and K1600 without plugs. I realised how much damage to me I was doing.
I chose to get custom plugs with the 17 rt and found I eliminated most noise except low tones such as exhaust. I couldn't hear any road, tyre or engine noise. Exhaust was fine and enjoyable.
On the new r1250 still have no road, tyre or engine but the exhaust is much louder.
If I wanted the exhaust loud as I had done on previous bikes I would have added louder exhausts.
I got used to quiet rides with music. Now its dominant.
Not bad...just different.
I have to admit I wear a Schuberth C4 and listen to my music most of the time, I am sorry you are experiencing this with your new bike and not sure if there would be any other exhaust that would enable the noise level to be decreased more than what it is now. I love the grip of the Tyres , but wondering what sort of Klms to expect and to be totally honest with a tyre that grips as they do. I would not expect it to be much more than around the 8,000 to 10,000 klms. anything above that would be a bonus. Thanks for your feed back also.

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On my previous I had Road Pilot 4 and they were good. Got just over 10k on them. Rear was scalloping by the end.
The new one has Metzelers. Feels OK so far. Only 250kms so far.
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I love the grip of the Tyres , but wondering what sort of Klms to expect and to be totally honest with a tyre that grips as they do. I would not expect it to be much more than around the 8,000 to 10,000 klms. anything above that would be a bonus. Thanks for your feed back also.
I can attest Continental Road Attack 3 GT is a tire w/o fault for RTW: can be fully leaned right out of the gate, no howling in turns, superior line holding and turn-in is ideal versus PR4GT, Metz Z8, Angel GT; superior handling in linear grooved pavement, excellent shape retention, and grip at least as good or better than any other the 3 other tyres mentioned, and longevity on a par with the others as well, and they don't scallop at stock pressures unlike PR4GT.
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Picked up my new R1250RT in August. Previously traded 09 RT (underpowered 2up with luggage) for a GTL. Had plenty of power but just didn’t fit me. I have a 17 GSA but my wife wanted a little more comfort so we added the new RT. After riding for awhile I noticed a slight hesitation when engaging the clutch and rolling on the throttle. The dealer said all was correct but with the GSA to compare, I felt there was still a problem. Returning to the dealer I discussed with their tech guy. He suspected the electronic throttle sensor had a “flat spot”. Part was ordered, installed and no more hesitation. About 5k miles now and we love the bike. Agree with others on led headlights so will just add a set of erica’s.
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Re: New 2019 R1250 RT Sold back to dealer

I love the new R1250Rt but have been having the same issues with my shoulders and neck pain that I had with my 2016 RT. So today I spoke to my dealership where I bought the bike about the issues. We worked out on a great deal for a new 2020 GTL with Reverse that I could not refuse. Having owned a 2017 GTL and loved it so much I still had some reservations about the weight of it but that could be overcome with reverse gear fitted. The only issue is that all BMW K 1600`s have a stop-sale on them at this time due to an issue with the Fork in the gearbox and ability to possible select 2 gears at the same time and that could cause the rear wheel to lock up. So BMW won't release any new bikes till the new bikes have had the issue fixed in the factory or any that are in transit will be fixed on arrival to their destination by the BMW Techs. I don't have any real concerns about that as I know it will be fixed before delivery, but I will have to wait till January 2020 to take delivery of the new bike. My dealer has offered to take my RT back now, at the same as I paid for it, so they can sell it without losing too much value by me adding extra klms. He is then loaning me a K1600 GTL second hand that they have with low klms.thats just had a full service on it until mine is able to be delivered. I can cancel my insurance for the new RT save a few dollars and won't have to worry about the rego, wear and tear on the loan bike.
I know the last 2017 GTL I had was comfortable so with the addition of reverse I won't have a problem with the new bike once it comes in January next year. Plus an added bonus is that I have a pair of near new BMW optional Akropovick Slip-on mufflers sitting in my shed and a set of front and rear crash bars that are off my 2017. That will fit on the new.

Past bikes, 2013 Victory Cross Roads, 2016 R1200RT then 2017 K1600GTL 2018 then a 2019 Indian Road Master before buying another 2019 R1250RT Shift Cam in Oct. 2019 with Top Box / Fog Lights.

Last edited by Geoff c; Oct 23rd, 2019 at 8:00 am.
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