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post #1 of 16 Old Oct 17th, 2019, 4:26 am Thread Starter
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Denali with Top box Brakes

Can anyone give me some info on how to have the top box brake light operate from a Denali Cansmart setup.

Most of what I read is for the brakes overall. I was hoping to leave the brakes as they are but the top box different.

Not sure if its possible
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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

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Can anyone give me some info on how to have the top box brake light operate from a Denali Cansmart setup.

Most of what I read is for the brakes overall. I was hoping to leave the brakes as they are but the top box different.

Not sure if its possible
Anything is possible, it's about how much you want to do / pay, to make it happen.

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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

It is very possible, and if you had asked about Clearwater Canopener, then I would have been able to help, but I know nothing about your Denali!

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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

If your bike has the circular plug for the powered topbox, you just need to find the 2 wires for the stoplight. They work normally and don't need any dealer intervention.
Some say that the dealer needs to enable it, but all that does is enable the failure warning system for the light. This cannot be done on the GS911.

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It is very possible, and if you had asked about Clearwater Canopener, then I would have been able to help, but I know nothing about your Denali!
I imagine regardless of the powered unit the connection to the brakes will be the same.

Which wires did you connect to and where did you pick them up?

My top box is powered but I don't have the brake light yet. My understanding is that's just plug in and it works.
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I imagine regardless of the powered unit the connection to the brakes will be the same.

Which wires did you connect to and where did you pick them up?

My top box is powered but I don't have the brake light yet. My understanding is that's just plug in and it works.
Well, if you have an output wire for the brake from your unit, then all that you will have to do is to get under the pillion seat, and you will see the big round 16 pins connector that the topbox is connected to. You should make your connection to the bike-side connector. You will need to strip back the wiring loom at the back of that connector some, so that you will have easy access to the individual conductors. All that you will need to do, is to cut the conductor for the brake light (of the topbox), and DO make sure that you leave plenty of length on the connector side! Now, you can simply splice in your brake output from your device to the load-side cut end of the brake conductor. You need to cut that conductor because you want to replace the output from the RT completely. My main computer, where I have my data, is down right now, and so I can't look to see what the color of that brake-light conductor is. I'll take a look at my actual wiring on my RT later, and get back to you with the color of that conductor.


No, you don't have to worry about doing anything with the ground! That single conductor is all that you need to work on.

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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

I haven't looked at my own wiring, but went to the source of where I had gotten the wire color information in the first place. The brake light conductor color is Gray/Black/Yellow-dots.



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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

That's great.
The part about cutting that wire and replacing makes total sense. That was where I was a bit confused how Denali overrides canbus.
Thanks
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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

I built a system using 4 Skene P4 pods, except I wired both turn and tail/brake lights using Skene controllers. While the Denali box you are connecting to might be different, the Skene schematics, photographs, and instructions online can help you understand the plugs and wires you might need to deal with. See https://www.skenelights.com/r1200rt-...3-installation, about 2/3 to the bottom of the page in the section titled "Convert Topcase Brake Light Into a Combined Tail Light / Flashing Brake Light - Applicable to both K1600GT/GTL and R1200RT."

I also have a Denali B6 brake light running off a Cansmart, but I really wanted turn signals in the top box too, and the Skene system was the only way I found to easily accomplish that.

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    • D4 driving lights
    • B6 brake light
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  • Sargent World Sport Performance Seat (driver)
  • Suburban Machinery Foot Peg Lowering Kit
  • Ilium Works Adjustable Brake Lever
  • Ilium Works Side Stand Foot Enlarger
  • RAM Ball Mount, Clutch Reservoir (w/Garmin InReach mount)
  • Skene P4 LEDs (as top box tail and turn lights)

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That's great.
The part about cutting that wire and replacing makes total sense. That was where I was a bit confused how Denali overrides canbus.
Thanks
That is all that you really have to do, with the assumption that your Cansmart meshes into the bike's network (CAN = Communication Area Network, a protocol and not a "thing"! ) in similar manner as my Canopener, so that it will "know" when the brakes are being applied. If using other type of controller, the other end of that cut conductor will be needed to provide signal to the controller.

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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

It would help to know what kind of LED pods you intend to use. One potential issue: the current Denali CanSmart can dim LEDs two different ways. By default, it expects a three-wire circuit, with a +12V DC constant "hot" wire, a ground, and a "signal" wire which carries a signal that tells a three-wire capable driver how to pulse width modulate the voltage to achieve a particular brightness. For Denali lights, the driver circuit in the light pods handles this signal from the third wire. If you have a three-wire pod, you'll need to run two wires to the light which is a pain.

If you hook up the CanSmart using only the "hot" lead, to a non-Denali, 2-wire dimmable light, you might get a light that is on at 100% intensity at all times unless you tell the controller that you need a 2-wire signal. In the Denali software, you can adjust the settings to make any light circuit a "two-wire dimming" capable circuit, in which case the CanSmart will encode the pulse-width-modulation onto the hot lead and the two-wire light will function as expected and can be a tail and brake light. See some info at https://www.twistedthrottle.com/blog...ftware-update/.

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    • D4 driving lights
    • B6 brake light
    • SoundBomb Compact horn
  • Sargent World Sport Performance Seat (driver)
  • Suburban Machinery Foot Peg Lowering Kit
  • Ilium Works Adjustable Brake Lever
  • Ilium Works Side Stand Foot Enlarger
  • RAM Ball Mount, Clutch Reservoir (w/Garmin InReach mount)
  • Skene P4 LEDs (as top box tail and turn lights)

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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

Very simple. Task completed and I have a flashing brake light on the top box.
Thanks for the info.
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Good, no, great idea. I will look into trying to get a flashing top box light on my set-up.

I have an electrified OEM top box on my '18RT, with a Clearwater CanOpener and Billie tail light. Hopefully I can tap into that. I've found the Clearwater folks to be extremely helpful providing info so I can DIY wiring using their xlnt products.

Between the Admore side case turn/stop/tail lights, the OEM top box light, and the Billie, the Billie is the star of the show. Twice as bright and attention grabbing as either of the other. Not sorry I have the others, they serve a valuable function, but if I can get the Billie inertial and flashing logic into the topcase, I will score higher yet on conspicuity.

Since I've installed front, side, and rear auxiliary lighting, (including tinted lenses and flashing that Clearwater offers front and rear), it is amazing the increased elbow room I get from other motorists.
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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

Just keep in mind that the Canopener brake light output has a maximum capacity of 1 amp! So, tapping that output to run both the Billie light as well as the topbox aux. LED could be a problem. You need to figure out the total load.

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Just keep in mind that the Canopener brake light output has a maximum capacity of 1 amp! So, tapping that output to run both the Billie light as well as the topbox aux. LED could be a problem. You need to figure out the total load.
I found that out the hard way. Blew the arse out of the stoplight circuit in the Canopener. A new Canopener cost me $100 US, which is a lot of Pacific Pe$o$.

I have a solid state relay which I'm going to use with the aftermarket topbox light. Never thought a row of high intensity LEDs the size of the BMW topbox light would pull more than 1A.

Lesson learned...

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Re: Denali with Top box Brakes

Ouch! I would have thought that they would have over-current protection in the circuitry!

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