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I have been wanting to hear from 1250 owners a 'howzit report':

any quirks? any happies? any regrets? if you traded a 1200 wethead, was it worth it?

In all honesty, I just wanna hear from owners, not from articles or tester reviews. Thank you
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Love my Mars red 1250RT purchased March of this year. I previously owned a 2012 1200 RT before purchasing the 1250. I purchased with a matching color large Top case and Nav 6. The only thing added since new is handle bar risers and mirrors. Sorry I canít really compare with the wet head. No problems whatsoever since purchasing the bike. Love the power, wet clutch, automatic hill start, dynamic auto spring suspension, pro shift, handling in the corners, beautiful balance with low speed riding, power luggage locks, keyless start. I had to get used to the fly by wire throttle that felt different from the 2012. The transmission gets a little clunky after engine has warmed up. Not clunky in a bad way but just not butter like when it starts out cold. I could have bought a brand new 2018 for $6k less. After test riding the 2018 and 2019 the same day, I decided to purchase the 1250. After approximately 2700 miles I have no regrets. Riding the 1250 always puts a smile on my face. If I had it to do over, I would buy the 1250RT again.
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I have been wanting to hear from 1250 owners a 'howzit report':

any quirks? any happies? any regrets? if you traded a 1200 wethead, was it worth it?

In all honesty, I just wanna hear from owners, not from articles or tester reviews. Thank you
I second that!

I am looking for a replacement for my aging LT and the 1250 is currently at the top of this list. And is the only candidate I have yet to test ride as the shop had none on hand last summer when I test rode the K1600GTL and GA. So far, nothing has had what we (wife is part of the decision) want as compared to the LT. Sure, the newer bikes have the power advantage and fancy electronics (which is great until they break), but they just donít have the comfort and weather protection of the LT. The Venture and new Wing came pretty close in the comfort and weather protection areas, but fell short in other key areas. The Venture has a seat and leg furnace know as an air-cooled V-twin. What were they smoking when they made that decision? And the Wing has tiny cases, a rock hard seat a laughable nav system, and a 5.5 gallon tank on an 1833cc bike. Really??

I know the 1250 wonít match the LT either comfort-wise, but my logic is that if I have to lose comfort and weather protection, Iíd rather lose it on a bike that costs less, weighs less and is easier to work on (RT) rather than the complex K1600 or Wing.

I would be particularly interested to hear from any 1250 owners who previously owned an LT and can provide comparison and discuss any mods made to improve the comfort of the 1250, particularly for the pillion. I am pretty sure I can live with a stock RT, but my wife will likely not be happy coming from the LT.
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Love my Mars red 1250RT purchased March of this year. I previously owned a 2012 1200 RT before purchasing the 1250. I purchased with a matching color large Top case and Nav 6. The only thing added since new is handle bar risers and mirrors. Sorry I can’t really compare with the wet head. No problems whatsoever since purchasing the bike. Love the power, wet clutch, automatic hill start, dynamic auto spring suspension, pro shift, handling in the corners, beautiful balance with low speed riding, power luggage locks, keyless start. I had to get used to the fly by wire throttle that felt different from the 2012. The transmission gets a little clunky after engine has warmed up. Not clunky in a bad way but just not butter like when it starts out cold. I could have bought a brand new 2018 for $6k less. After test riding the 2018 and 2019 the same day, I decided to purchase the 1250. After approximately 2700 miles I have no regrets. Riding the 1250 always puts a smile on my face. If I had it to do over, I would buy the 1250RT again.
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Yes Riding two up for multiple 2 to 3 hour trips. No complaints from the rider and handling of the bike remains good even in twisty mountain roads. Thatís another reason to like the Dynamic Auto spring suspension setting. Just set it and forget it.
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Upgraded from a 2017 and I think it was well worth it. The engine pulls at low rpm now, love the auto level ESA too!

It's now stupid fast, love it.
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Kind of off topic a little.... Doing a family camping trip (not on the bike) from San Diego up the coast.
Stopping in multiple places then ending at San Fran then cutting over to Yosemite.

We are currently up in Monterey, but on the travel up here the number of RTs have out numbered any other bikes that we have came across. I found it pretty interesting, 2nd most popular were GS bikes followed by the big Harley/Victory bikes.

Can confirm if driving in fog with your main beam not working, you are basically invisible on a RT lol Came across one around Big Sur this morning, talk about dangerous..

1200 or 1250 they are amazing popular bikes!!
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Not to take this off track further, lol, but there are not many better roads for motorcycling than Hwy 1 of course, and I suspect some of those are rental bikes. This time of year a lot of folks fly out to San Fran and rent bikes to do the coast. I'm headed out there early September after school starts and the crowds thin out a bit.

Ok, back on track.. 1250 owners..

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Hi all,

First time poster here, long time lurker.

Currently have the new R1250RT with a little over 1000mi on it (Blue Planet Metallic, NAV VI). I sold the "old" bike, 2015 R1200RT (San Marino Blue, NAV V) when I was getting ready for some more life transitions. I didn't want to get rid of the 2015 but glad I did because I'm really liking the little differences on the new ride.

If I still owned the '15, would I have upgraded from the 1200 to the 1250??
Yes....but that's me.

The engine is smoother to me thorough the rev range. Butt dyno feels like it has more low end and mid-range get up and go. Not that the old bike was lacking but the smile factor on new bike is a little bigger grin.

Suspension is just as smooth and less complicated than the previous. Given I'm 5'8" and 180 lbs, the settings are usually on the "min" setting or Auto when toting around cargo or another person. With the stock seat on the low setting my feet are both flat on the ground and secure, barely.

NAV IV, I don't remember there being a way to stream music/audio over blue tooth from a connected Android phone to the last version (NAV V). In the update you can select the input from stored MP3 or Bluetooth on the music player.

Everything else (quickshifter, hill start pro, dynamic brake control...) feels a bit more refined.

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I guess Iím one of the guys you want to hear from. I had an 09 LT, which I loved until I did a two up trip of about 1000 miles. Fully loaded and two up I found the bike hard to Handle and scary at slow speedĎs. I traded that in on the 1600 GTL. Waymore power and 200 pounds of weight savings. When I approach the 30,000 km service and I found out how much money it was, I traded the bike bike or 13 RT. Of those three motorcycles the RT was the closest to my perfect bike. Not as smooth or as protective as the LT or GTL, but I loved the lighter handling and weight and was happier to return to the characteristics of a big twin. I just felt the power was a little lacking, especially two up.
I recently traded my 13 in on an R 1250 RT. Without a doubt, this is the perfect bike. Suspension is better, power is way nicer - all around I thoroughly enjoy my new motorcycle.

Hope this helps.
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I guess Iím one of the guys you want to hear from you. I had an 09 LT, which I loved until I did a two up trip of about 1000 miles. Fully loaded and two up I found the bike hard to Handle and scary at slow speedĎs. I traded that in on the 1600 GTL. Waymore power and 200 pounds of weight savings. When I approach the 30,000 km service and I found out how much money it was, I traded the bike bike or 13 RT. Of those three motorcycles the RT was the closest to my perfect bike. Not as smooth or as protective as the LT or GTL, but I loved the lighter handling and weight and was happier to return to the characteristics of a big twin. I just felt the power was a little lacking, especially two up.
I recently traded my 13 in on an R 1250 RT. Without a doubt, this is the perfect bike. Suspension is better, power is way nicer - all around I thoroughly enjoy my new motorcycle.

Hope this helps.
I donít find my LT hard to handle even fully loaded, but it is getting a little long in the tooth and its maintenance requirements are just a nuisance. So, I am looking for a replacement, but so far nothing I have ridden comes close to its overall comfort and capability. I have about 5,000 miles on three rental K1600GTLs (all in Europe or the UK) and it just doesnít scratch our itch for a two-up touring machine. And, as you say, the maintenance is still pretty intense with the stupid oil drain plug system, need for a vacuum system to change coolant and the valve adjustments are just nuts to name a few things.

The RT will be a step down in comfort from the LT, but I think a step up in every other major way: performance, handling, weight, maintenance and reliability.

Have you made any modifications to your 1250 to increase its comfort? Do you still ride two-up often? My wife really likes the LT and has really disliked the GTL. She felt the GA would be acceptable, but I really like the simplicity and easy of maintenance of the RT the more I think about it. I am curious how your pillion finds the 1250 comfort-wise.

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We have not ridden a long way two up. That having been said, my wife says that she finds the seat somewhat firm although thatís fine. She also finds it slides are a bit forward so sheís always pushing back a bit.

In comparison to the LT, she definitely found the LT more comfortable. However so far, the RT is fine, but she does think my 13 RT was better.

So far the only modification I made was to put the seat in the higher position to relax my legs a little more. I am considering suburban machinery lower rider pegs.

She was most unhappy on my GTL. Go figure

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We have not ridden a long way two up. That having been said, my wife says that she finds the seat somewhat firm although thatís fine. She also finds it slides are a bit forward so sheís always pushing back a bit.

In comparison to the LT, she definitely found the LT more comfortable. However so far, the RT is fine, but she does think my 13 RT was better.

So far the only modification I made was to put the seat in the higher position to relax my legs a little more. I am considering suburban machinery lower rider pegs.

She was most unhappy on my GTL. Go figure
Pretty much the same here. I had a Russell seat made for my LT last winter and we rode to Alaska and back a couple months ago. We both round the Russell to slide us forward and we had to keep lifting up and repositioning rearward. The stock LT seat did not do that. My wife also said the GTL seat slide her forward against me and she also didnít like that she sat so high above me. She is 5í9Ē and it put her way up into the slipstream even with the shield fully up. She hates the GTL.

We have not ridden a recent RT. The last we rode was in 2007 when we rode it and then rode the LT. At that point, it was the LT all the way. However, I suspect the 1250 is much improved so I need to test ride one. We rode pretty much every other touring bike contender last summer and none checked the boxes for us. New Wing, Venture, GTL, GA. None pulled us away from the LT.

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I think I am the only person in the world to find his 1250 a disappointment so dont take too much notice, I traded up from a 2014 LC which I would have back in a flash.

I agree in terms of the power of the engine, low down much more grunt, mine is white and in my view looks wise is gorgeous.

My major gripe I have posted about before, I have done over 1700 miles now and the horrible rattle under acceleration isnt getting any better, I ride the bike every day now and it just 'grates' my nerves every time I pull away.

Two other concerns, I am not seeing any improvement as the motor loosens up in MPG I record my mileage carefully and I am getting nearly 3 MPG less over the 2014, I thought by now I would at least be equaling

The other is an annoying difference in the indicator behaviour, not sure if it is a fault but I dont recall my 2014 cancelling its indicators whilst sitting at traffic lights, its caught me out a few times especially when turning right (UK) and drivers are not expecting you to stop. Also they seem to cancel sometimes on the move after only a few seconds. Find myself checking my indicators rather then looking at the road, dangerous.

As I said dont take too much notice as I havent read any real poor reviews from anywhere else, I just cant seem to love my bike and plan to sell next year, would now but I invested a lot of money in the bike and would lose a great deal if I did
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I think I am the only person in the world to find his 1250 a disappointment so dont take too much notice, I traded up from a 2014 LC which I would have back in a flash.

I agree in terms of the power of the engine, low down much more grunt, mine is white and in my view looks wise is gorgeous.

My major gripe I have posted about before, I have done over 1700 miles now and the horrible rattle under acceleration isnt getting any better, I ride the bike every day now and it just 'grates' my nerves every time I pull away.

Two other concerns, I am not seeing any improvement as the motor loosens up in MPG I record my mileage carefully and I am getting nearly 3 MPG less over the 2014, I thought by now I would at least be equaling

The other is an annoying difference in the indicator behaviour, not sure if it is a fault but I dont recall my 2014 cancelling its indicators whilst sitting at traffic lights, its caught me out a few times especially when turning right (UK) and drivers are not expecting you to stop. Also they seem to cancel sometimes on the move after only a few seconds. Find myself checking my indicators rather then looking at the road, dangerous.

As I said dont take too much notice as I havent read any real poor reviews from anywhere else, I just cant seem to love my bike and plan to sell next year, would now but I invested a lot of money in the bike and would lose a great deal if I did
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I think I am the only person in the world to find his 1250 a disappointment so dont take too much notice, I traded up from a 2014 LC which I would have back in a flash.

I agree in terms of the power of the engine, low down much more grunt, mine is white and in my view looks wise is gorgeous.

My major gripe I have posted about before, I have done over 1700 miles now and the horrible rattle under acceleration isnt getting any better, I ride the bike every day now and it just 'grates' my nerves every time I pull away.

Two other concerns, I am not seeing any improvement as the motor loosens up in MPG I record my mileage carefully and I am getting nearly 3 MPG less over the 2014, I thought by now I would at least be equaling

The other is an annoying difference in the indicator behaviour, not sure if it is a fault but I dont recall my 2014 cancelling its indicators whilst sitting at traffic lights, its caught me out a few times especially when turning right (UK) and drivers are not expecting you to stop. Also they seem to cancel sometimes on the move after only a few seconds. Find myself checking my indicators rather then looking at the road, dangerous.

As I said dont take too much notice as I havent read any real poor reviews from anywhere else, I just cant seem to love my bike and plan to sell next year, would now but I invested a lot of money in the bike and would lose a great deal if I did
I havenít seen your prior posts. Two questions:
1. Have you ridden other 1250s to know if this noise is characteristic of the model or is unique to your bike?
2. What response have you received from your dealer in regards to your issues?

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Voyager- here's your opportunity. Buy this one, do a European tour with it, then have it shipped home. :-)
Well, if it was a US-spec bike and not apparently a lemon, that would be a great idea!

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I am a 16-1200RT owner.
For long distance comfort, I found the following upgrades satisfied my needs:
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3 of 4 sound good. I donít think my wife would share her seat with a Lazy Rider bag.

Do you find the stock windshield to provide adequate wind and rain protection?

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I haven’t seen your prior posts. Two questions:
1. Have you ridden other 1250s to know if this noise is characteristic of the model or is unique to your bike?
2. What response have you received from your dealer in regards to your issues?
I also had this rattle on my 1250, but it went away after about 600 miles. I always use super unleaded, so not sure if this has had any impact. Indicators wise, I noticed once my left indicator switching off early, but it never happened again and now there is no difference in behaviour between my 2014 I traded. They certainly do not switch off when stationary. MPG wise, there is a thread elsewhere, maybe on facebook, but most are getting more mpg than they did on the previous LCs, I certainly am. I have now covered 3k miles and the engine has loosened up nicely. If I was getting the issues above, I would take a demo bike out for a comparison. So all in all I am very happy with the bike and glad I traded my 2014.
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I removed stock shield early on for a Cee Bailey Sport Shield. I run it all the time, as it satisfies my riding needs. I got caught in a downpour last week and discovered my helmet had more issues than my windshield ! And discovered, short of rain pants, nothing will keep your inner thighs dry !

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I haven’t seen your prior posts. Two questions:
1. Have you ridden other 1250s to know if this noise is characteristic of the model or is unique to your bike?
2. What response have you received from your dealer in regards to your issues?
1. Yes demonstration model and friends, neither made the same noise
2. 'They all do that sir' denial that there is anything wrong

As I said in my post this is my own unique experience, not trying to argue with anyone to the contrary about noise, MPG, indicators or other issues

Personally this is my last BMW motorcycle
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1. Yes demonstration model and friends, neither made the same noise
2. 'They all do that sir' denial that there is anything wrong

As I said in my post this is my own unique experience, not trying to argue with anyone to the contrary about noise, MPG, indicators or other issues

Personally this is my last BMW motorcycle
So if the demo bikes didn't make the same noise, how can the dealer argue they all do this, if theirs doesn't? Like I said mine did, but either I've got used to it, or its gone away. I would be asking them to explain where the noise is coming from and why its making it then But two of my friends have also had this rattle that sounds like pinning, so maybe those that don't do it are in the minority
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How are the mirrors attached on the 1250?

I just watched a Chris Harris video on mirror removal and installation on the R1100/1150 and they look a lot like my LT mirrors, which have been a major PITA over the years both having broken and been repaired and either that stays on like they should. I never though about the RT having the same problem until seeing Chrisí video this morning. Although, it did sound from his description as though the mirror sockets were a different design than the LT, but he didnít show a close-up in the video so I could get a good look.

So, any owners of late model RTs had any issues with mirrors popping off while riding? Are the 1250 mirrors attached the same way as the 1100/1150s were?

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I had an 09 LT and a couple of times the mirrors fell off. I had a 13 RT, never with a problem. My current 1250 RT I have not had an issue.
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How are the mirrors attached on the 1250?

I just watched a Chris Harris video on mirror removal and installation on the R1100/1150 and they look a lot like my LT mirrors, which have been a major PITA over the years both having broken and been repaired and either that stays on like they should. I never though about the RT having the same problem until seeing Chrisí video this morning. Although, it did sound from his description as though the mirror sockets were a different design than the LT, but he didnít show a close-up in the video so I could get a good look.

So, any owners of late model RTs had any issues with mirrors popping off while riding? Are the 1250 mirrors attached the same way as the 1100/1150s were?
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I am a 16-1200RT owner.
For long distance comfort, I found the following upgrades satisfied my needs:
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>for really long trips, I think maybe an air-hawk seat cushion? I've done 1000+ miles on the naked Sargent and was OK, but I might get one for my next trip. For back support without pillion, my tent, bag and thermarest get bungied to the back seat. Pillion trips require a motel.
>I'm really happy with my Aeroflow Tall. I'm 5'10 with long waist, so 6'0 from waist up...and I keep my normal seat on the high setting. There is plenty of still air around my helmet with the screen about 1/3 up and my arms get enough air so I don't get hot except in traffic...No screen will not help that.

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Voyager, 2014 Wing Owner. RE your new wing comments. All true, but the complaints about the seat and nav have existed since they 1st installed navigation in 2008. Saddle bags are a joke but corbin has come out with new saddlebag covers that add an extra 10 liters for $963! Honda claims 45MPG with the new engine so range will be the same as the older ones. I won't ever buy one with the horrible bags and trunk and I always use my Garmin Nuvi 1300 for Nav. If the Nuvi dies I can get another basic Garmin for less that $100.
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Voyager, 2014 Wing Owner. RE your new wing comments. All true, but the complaints about the seat and nav have existed since they 1st installed navigation in 2008. Saddle bags are a joke but corbin has come out with new saddlebag covers that add an extra 10 liters for $963! Honda claims 45MPG with the new engine so range will be the same as the older ones. I won't ever buy one with the horrible bags and trunk and I always use my Garmin Nuvi 1300 for Nav. If the Nuvi dies I can get another basic Garmin for less that $100.

I have to agree with you here in all accounts and add: Max from traxxion found flaws in their new fork suspension (ala K16) that entails another 2k to fix. They have had suspension inadequacies since the 1800 came on line. I personally spent 1500 bucks twice to fix the 2 Wings front end I owned...never again!

The RT is my bike of choice...I am hoping for a transition to the 1250 to be trouble free.

It aint like the BMW bikes are from an Immaculate Conception Manufacturing...the first wetheads were benched on schok problems, my 09 and the fuel strip hassles go way back, and dont get me started on the K16 that stranded me...

I am just being careful and thoughtful about dumping my perfectly good running 2018 in search of an improvement that may not be after all.

No, I dont have faith on Corporate entities including any of the bikes I own; in fact, I have more like animosity for these giant conglomerates whom all they give a sheet about is money, certainly not their customer base.
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I have to agree with you here in all accounts and add: Max from traxxion found flaws in their new fork suspension (ala K16) that entails another 2k to fix. They have had suspension inadequacies since the 1800 came on line. I personally spent 1500 bucks twice to fix the 2 Wings front end I owned...never again!

The RT is my bike of choice...I am hoping for a transition to the 1250 to be trouble free.

It aint like the BMW bikes are from an Immaculate Conception Manufacturing...the first wetheads were benched on schok problems, my 09 and the fuel strip hassles go way back, and dont get me started on the K16 that stranded me...

I am just being careful and thoughtful about dumping my perfectly good running 2018 in search of an improvement that may not be after all.

No, I dont have faith on Corporate entities including any of the bikes I own; in fact, I have more like animosity for these giant conglomerates whom all they give a sheet about is money, certainly not their customer base.
Not sure I would trade a perfectly good running 2018.
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Not sure I would trade a perfectly good running 2018.
I am getting to that point if not already there. Thanks Voyager!

I have a friend whose opinion is: wait till TFT gets on the RT, then it 'll be worth it.

...I don't think that will impress me too much since I only look at Waze on the phone and GarminVI. I now have a Hawkhead TPM so I don't even look at the bike's TPM anymore either.

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I am getting to that point if not already there. Thanks Voyager!

I have a friend whose opinion is: wait till TFT gets on the RT, then it 'll be worth it.

...I don't think that will impress me too much since I only look at Waze on the phone and GarminVI. I now have a Hawkhead TPM so I don't even look at the bike's TPM anymore either.

I am ready for my 2020 Summer tour...anxiously waiting...
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Because New and Shiny, duh!
Well, that is what keeps many industries afloat, but I am thankful I have never had a that disease.

I like things that are well cared for and look nice, but I have always favored function way above newness.

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Well, it is pretty well established (at least in my mind) that there is some anomaly with the new 1250 engine in SOME 2019 BMW RT/GS bikes.

I have a friend who is very adaptable to model idiosyncrasies reported to me that his GSA is now making the noise purported by some reports on this and the GS boards. My friend is very angry about it because he says the noise is very disconcerning and he can hear it well over his full face and custom earplugs (unlike someone who reported to the contraire).

He went back to the dealership and threatened to return the bike. The sales guy showed him three GS that make the same noise and proposed the standard "they all do that" solution, along with "its a characteristic of the shiftcam technology"... My friend is a good mechanic and he is not convinced at all.

Apparently, the expectation of some kind of recall is in the air, and there are some talk about a class action suit among the owners he talks with.

Don't start flaming me! cause I am just reporting what I am hearing as I inquire about this issue.

...as for me, my ideas of trading my 2018 RT for the 2019 have come to an end.

ANECDOTAL: I am good friends with a Beemer tech who has been working on bikes since he was a little kid. I shared the above info with him; and his reply was this: "After being in this business for so long, one thing I learned is not to ever buy a first-year model"...something I have heard before, but I am gonna take to heart from now on.

It is kind of incongruous to be an RT lover listening to these negative reports because this 2018 RT is the smoothest best running bike I EVER owned.
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Well, it is pretty well established (at least in my mind) that there is some anomaly with the new 1250 engine in SOME 2019 BMW RT/GS bikes.

I have a friend who is very adaptable to model idiosyncrasies reported to me that his GSA is now making the noise purported by some reports on this and the GS boards. My friend is very angry about it because he says the noise is very disconcerning and he can hear it well over his full face and custom earplugs (unlike someone who reported to the contraire).

He went back to the dealership and threatened to return the bike. The sales guy showed him three GS that make the same noise and proposed the standard "they all do that" solution, along with "its a characteristic of the shiftcam technology"... My friend is a good mechanic and he is not convinced at all.

Apparently, the expectation of some kind of recall is in the air, and there are some talk about a class action suit among the owners he talks with.

Don't start flaming me! cause I am just reporting what I am hearing as I inquire about this issue.

...as for me, my ideas of trading my 2018 RT for the 2019 have come to an end.

ANECDOTAL: I am good friends with a Beemer tech who has been working on bikes since he was a little kid. I shared the above info with him; and his reply was this: "After being in this business for so long, one thing I learned is not to ever buy a first-year model"...something I have heard before, but I am gonna take to heart from now on.

It is kind of incongruous to be an RT lover listening to these negative reports because this 2018 RT is the smoothest best running bike I EVER owned.
I wonder what would happen if one cam shifted and the other side didnít?

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I wonder what would happen if one cam shifted and the other side didnít?

When we are able to space-travel as a normalcy, and when Corps compete with each other to sell space vehicles, you can well imagine what the accidents might look like with such complex machines.

...all of the sudden, I am glad I am old...
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From the GS/ers point of view

https://www.r1200gs.info/forum/2-gen...ine-noise.html
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When we are able to space-travel as a normalcy, and when Corps compete with each other to sell space vehicles, you can well imagine what the accidents might look like with such complex machines.

...all of the sudden, I am glad I am old...
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this 2018 RT is the smoothest best running bike I EVER owned.
Obviously, you've never owned a properly balanced Inline-4 bike, and certainly never a silky-smooth-and-full-of-torque Inline-6 machine...
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I love my RT but she isnít as smooth as the K13GT or the K16 GTL I had.
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Well, it is pretty well established (at least in my mind) that there is some anomaly with the new 1250 engine in SOME 2019 BMW RT/GS bikes.

I have a friend who is very adaptable to model idiosyncrasies reported to me that his GSA is now making the noise purported by some reports on this and the GS boards. My friend is very angry about it because he says the noise is very disconcerning and he can hear it well over his full face and custom earplugs (unlike someone who reported to the contraire).

He went back to the dealership and threatened to return the bike. The sales guy showed him three GS that make the same noise and proposed the standard "they all do that" solution, along with "its a characteristic of the shiftcam technology"... My friend is a good mechanic and he is not convinced at all.

Apparently, the expectation of some kind of recall is in the air, and there are some talk about a class action suit among the owners he talks with.

Don't start flaming me! cause I am just reporting what I am hearing as I inquire about this issue.

...as for me, my ideas of trading my 2018 RT for the 2019 have come to an end.

ANECDOTAL: I am good friends with a Beemer tech who has been working on bikes since he was a little kid. I shared the above info with him; and his reply was this: "After being in this business for so long, one thing I learned is not to ever buy a first-year model"...something I have heard before, but I am gonna take to heart from now on.

It is kind of incongruous to be an RT lover listening to these negative reports because this 2018 RT is the smoothest best running bike I EVER owned.
I rented a '19 RT for 2 weeks, traveled around 5,000 km in temps from 8įC to 42įC and found the engine sound disconcerting. It didn't lack power, didn't have any problem except for a check engine light that was always on. I was told that is software related and should be fixed with an update. True or not, I didn't like the way it sounded. It's when I got back home that I realized how smooth my'16 sounded by comparison. I too won't be replacing my RT with a '19 anytime soon.

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I rented a '19 RT for 2 weeks, traveled around 5,000 km in temps from 8įC to 42įC and found the engine sound disconcerting. It didn't lack power, didn't have any problem except for a check engine light that was always on. I was told that is software related and should be fixed with an update. True or not, I didn't like the way it sounded. It's when I got back home that I realized how smooth my'16 sounded by comparison. I too won't be replacing my RT with a '19 anytime soon.
I have done 3k miles now on my 1250 and its light years ahead of my 2014 I traded. Yes the engine sounds different, but having had Harley for 11 years prior to my 2014, these bikes are like Rolls Royces
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I was thinking the same thing.

The smoothest bike I have owned was my 1987 Kawasaki Voyager. That inline 4 with dual balance shafts was smoother than my LT and even smoother than the K1600. Both BMWs have rev ranges where some tingle can be felt in the bars. The Kawasaki was butter smooth from ideal to redline.

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Thank you so much for this, I have previously searched every RT thread I could find without any real result, just didnt think to look on GS forums.

The issue I have is very real then and I am not alone, it looks like BMW have accepted that there is an issue but feel it is 'conceptual' and only heard by 'very critical customers' and therefore wont remedy the situation. They claim it is caused by 'resonance in the throttle body' (doesn't sound like that to me but what do I know!).

At least they are claiming no damage is being done to the engine which is something.

Several posts that feel the same way I do in that it has stolen their enjoyment of what would otherwise be a wonderful bike.

Worryingly several stated the noise has got worse with more miles, I think mine has slightly, just hope it doesn't deteriorate more
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Thank you so much for this, I have previously searched every RT thread I could find without any real result, just didnt think to look on GS forums.

The issue I have is very real then and I am not alone, it looks like BMW have accepted that there is an issue but feel it is 'conceptual' and only heard by 'very critical customers' and therefore wont remedy the situation. They claim it is caused by 'resonance in the throttle body' (doesn't sound like that to me but what do I know!).

At least they are claiming no damage is being done to the engine which is something.

Several posts that feel the same way I do in that it has stolen their enjoyment of what would otherwise be a wonderful bike.

Worryingly several stated the noise has got worse with more miles, I think mine has slightly, just hope it doesn't deteriorate more
This was discussed on this forum, but can't remember the thread title. Anyway, my noise has gone away and as not all bikes seem to have it, its strange. The number of people who actually post on forums vs the number of owners is small, so its either a massive problem or only impacts a few. I have 4 colleagues now who have 1250 RTs and I was the only one to have this pinning noise, and as I said before, I started using 98 octane fuel, which I alway have in my bikes and by the time the bike went for its first service, no noise. But there doesn't seem to be many if any major engine failures. Its not comfort I guess, but you have a warranty so if something does go wrong they will sort.
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I love my RT but she isnít as smooth as the K13GT or the K16 GTL I had.

It depends what you mean by smooth. My experience with multi's (including BMW' 6 cylinder) is powerful but soulless. My 1200 is plenty smooth enough for riding all day every day yet it has a heartbeat that for me trumps most other configurations.

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I disagree.

I don't need the bike thumping and pumping and bumping to let me know I'm alive. In fact, I find it obtrusive and just kind of weird, to be honest.

I prefer smooth, clean, strong power, and would rather focus on the road ahead as the bike cleanly and effortlessly moves me through space and time and twisties as smoothly as a waltz.

But, that's why we have so many great choices—so that each of us can find whatever bike speaks to us the best.
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Meese, Meese, Messe, you are making an incorrect assumption here brother.

I have toured on K16, on Wings and owned a C-14, and the one you fail to mentioned FJR--have YOU own an FJR? I am keen to the FJR because its a bullet proof cheaper bike. But the C-14 power is amazing.

Smooth is indeed the K16 that left me stranded sporting one its maiden quirks. I traded that sucker back for an RT as soon as I hobble into a BMW dealership. It was the funnest bike I ever had, smooth like you say, but not dependable. And as for touring, the K16 is a wind-mill--very poor protection as well as 'an involved and expensive' maintenance cycle. As lousy mpg as the Wing.

The Wing is smoother than all of them...and probably the best hwy bike on the road. Plus the Wing has a great low center of gravity for such big tank-bike.

The C14 and the FJR, both, had that infamous inline 4 high pitch vibration on the throttle side of the handlebar--trust me when I say: I tried everything under the Sun and couldn't get rid of it on either bike. Had I been able to get rid of that numbing vibration I would have kept the C-14 and toured with it. Of all the sports touring bike I own I would chose the C14...probably...or the FJR...given they held up over 2 to 3 months on the road hacking 80 to 90 mph trippings.

I been on that K16 board. I understand the religious affiliation K16 owners have and their worshiping membership with BMW.

But as far as the smoothest RT I ever own (instead of the smoothest bike) you might agree with me if you toured on mine for 3 months straight...without problems, with great wind protection, and packing a lot of stuff.
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