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post #1 of 31 Old Jun 26th, 2019, 12:02 am Thread Starter
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Rant about pegs

I've been intending to bring up for discussion the abhorrent position of the driver's footpegs. Not from a comfort point of view as they suit me just fine in that regard, perhaps a bit high but livable with highway pegs for an occasional stretch, but from a mechanical viewpoint in that...

They are exactly where I want to put my leg down at a stop!

Poking me in the legs whenever I put a foot down has got to be the most egregious oversight in ergonomics that BMW committed when designing this bike. I've owned lots of bikes in my time and never had this issue. I'm 5'5" with a 29" inseam, and that footpeg position makes it even harder to place a foot down and get some resemblance of stability.

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post #2 of 31 Old Jun 26th, 2019, 12:47 am
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And I thought I was the only one, it's been bugging me too.
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A lot of bikes with the more upright position have the pegs in the way. GSs are the same way, my old Tenere was also the same why, why I always wore boots that went above my shins lol
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A lot of bikes with the more upright position have the pegs in the way. GSs are the same way, my old Tenere was also the same why, why I always wore boots that went above my shins lol
Yes and the serrated pegs on my GS really will tear your legs up at a stop. The RT and GS are the same in that regard. Just the way the design works with ergonomics. Same motor/frame/suspension setup.

Since I stop with left foot down, right on brake, in gear and watching my 6 it does not bother me often, only when I am restricted by terrain to put my left foot down, like a diviot or pot hole.

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Shame on you BMW!

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Sorry, I can't join in the BMW slagging session. The pegs / seat / handlebar relationship is kind of fixed by riding type. What sort of magic do you expect BMW to perform. For me this issue is 'how it is' and not a problem at all.
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Like Andy, I have no issues either.

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They are exactly where I want to put my leg down at a stop!

Poking me in the legs whenever I put a foot down has got to be the most egregious oversight in ergonomics that BMW committed when designing this bike. I've owned lots of bikes in my time and never had this issue.
Shame on you BMW!
You have never owned a Harely-Davidson Sportster then! Same issue, the footpegs bruised my shins on every stop!

On my 2009 R1200RT my feet naturally fall in front of my footpegs at stops and my shins sometimes push against the cyclinder heads. It's always something isn't it? I guess we have to put up with these little inconveniences in order to fully appreciated the joy when we ride?

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You have never owned a Harely-Davidson Sportster then! Same issue, the footpegs bruised my shins on every stop!
I never had this issue with my old sporty, which I happen to miss very much!

I also have this problem with the RT. I've got a 29" inseam and my leg goes behind the peg at stop lights. It is still very weird having the peg right where I naturally want to put my leg down but I'm ok with sacrificing a few minutes of awkwardness at a stoplight for the comfort while riding the bike.
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Probably the reason they poke you in the legs is because they’re in the most perfect position for your feet to be in while seated... and your feet just so happen to be attached to your legs. If the pegs were moved forward or backward, it would probably not be such a comfortable riding position.

I’m only guessing, but being as these bike are so meticulously engineered, I can’t imagine that the peg position is just a fluke.

I had exactly the same thing on my Triumph Bonneville T100. I noticed it, as I do on my RT, but it doesn’t bother me at all.

Maybe someone will invent a retractable peg, and make a ton of money.
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Like Andy, I have no issues either.
Same here but then I am 6' with 34" inseam. I am sure I put my legs out to the sides further for additional stability.

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I have no problem with the foot pegs on the RTs I have owned -- R100RT, R1100RT, R1150RT, R1200RT, R1250RT.

I do have Suburban Machinery lowered footpegs on my current RTs:



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Sounds like it's a problem if you have a shorter inseam. Same same for the OEM windshield blocking too much wind even in the full down position. At 6'4" tall w/ a 35" inseam I have no problem with either, lucky me apparently.

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I don't notice the issue with the pegs when stopped, but I do notice that my boots only seem to rest on the outer bit of the peg when riding (2013 RT) - it is as if they are too close-in to the bodywork, and I would have to be pretty "pigeon-toed" for my soles to rest on the whole foot peg. Average-size feet, nothing over-the-top. Automobiles have adjustable elements as a matter of course - who would buy a new higher-end car that didn't have adjustable seats, steering wheel, and possibly even adjustable pedals? The pegs on BMW bikes should have some kind of adjustments.
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I've got stumpy leetle legs at 5'6" and 29" inseam and have no trouble with the OEM footpegs. I just installed SM footpeg lowers and don't have any trouble with the new position either (it's amazing more comfortable actually).

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I have a 34ish inseam and 6'4". I think riding my old Tenere kind of got me keeping my shins away from my pegs that *hit would hurt!! Once I got boots that covered my shins a lot of times I'd swing my legs against them and the spring lol Was sitting on the bike (with it started) talking to a fellow biker friend, "What is that noise, sounds like metal rubbing" lol Was just a habit that I never really noticed doing as it was me kicking my peg.

On the RT I don't find the pegs hitting my shins, apparently I put my feet down forward/out from the peg. Majority of the time I feel the pressure from the cyclinder heads more than I do from the pegs, especially when on a slight incline. I also have lowered pegs, and also don't have any issue with getting wind on the factory OEM shield. In fact I have an issue NOT getting wind on me with the factory shield lol
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Like Andy, I have no issues either.
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Same here but then I am 6' with 34" inseam. I am sure I put my legs out to the sides further for additional stability.
I, OTOH, am only 5'-7" with 30" inseam, and my RT has the low seat in the high position (making it just a touch under standard seat in low position)!! However, like Lee, when I stop, only the left foot goes down.

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I miss my 2003 1200 Sport some, but not much since I bought my RT. Two different twins but similar in footpeg position. Mid pegs on my Sporty, somehow put them right in front of my shins when my feet were on the ground. I'm 5' 10" with 32" inseam.

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when I stop, only the left foot goes down.
My choice of foot is dependent on camber and next intended manouver. However, the foot peg still doesn't cause any issue.

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After a quick read of this conversation, my thoughts are that this is more of a rant about those with short legs (like me). And...perhaps the willingness of BMW engineering and marketing departments to essentially write off us short inseam riders as insignificant... Or, perhaps they are heavily invested in the huge aftermarket businesses that thrive by assisting us short folks to compensate for our... "shortcomings?"

IF (big if), I ever decide to shop for another motorcycle (I'm 74 years old)...instead of all the technical gadgets, push-buttons, whiz-bangs, and gizmos... I now know to pay heavy attention to "SEAT HEIGHT." For nearly two decades, I rode a very reliable "chugger cruiser." Although it outweighed my RT by over two hundred pounds, and about half the horse power, and could go only about 130 miles without refueling, I rarely ever had to worry about where to park it. It was no where near as nimble as the RT, nor as quick to stop. No Tachometer, or fuel gauge, and certainly no adjustable windshield, just a solid old 1100 V-twin Honda.

I bought this 2011 RT Premium edition at a bargain. However, all the stuff I have (and continue to do) to make it work for me has pretty much offset the perceived savings in the initial bargain. I really don't have lots of regrets (so far), but it does have me wondering if this is my last bike? Will this cure my longing to continue enjoying the road on two wheels? I enjoy other pursuits, like my vintage vehicles, gardening, livestock, and wrenching on things.

For years, I enjoyed and rode horses, but in 2005, I sold my last horse. My saddle(s) now displayed on a rack. I'm content to leave them there. Great memories, and no regrets. I only hope that when the day comes, I can walk away from my bike with the same contentment.

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79 and still riding and buying new bikes? I have a whole new level of respect for you Sir! You are in inspiration and wealth of information and I wish you many more years of safe riding.

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. I'm 5'5"
Hi Lee. I've just re-read your post and hadn't quite clicked how...err..short you are. With that in mind, I had another look at my bike and still I can't see why we should be blaming BMW for the foot peg position. I understand that you would want to get your legs straight down and not splayed like many folk with longer legs would. But nonetheless, you can get your legs behind the pegs.
I think the real issue is the bike is designed from the ground up for the rider to be taller than yourself. Now, that is the part that frustrates me most. There are so very few decent bikes out there geared for the shorter rider. My Daughter is 5' and she adores riding motorcycles, but apart from 'cruisers' there is nothing that she can ride.

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My choice of foot is dependent on camber and next intended manouver. However, the foot peg still doesn't cause any issue.
I am afraid that my right foot is glued to the footpeg, regardless of camber or anything!!! That's how it had always been.

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C'mon guys! Stop playing that age card. There are many of us here in our 70's, and still riding strong and looking to buy new bikes (my 1250 will be purchased next year), and so age have very little effect on what you says!!

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I am afraid that my right foot is glued to the footpeg, regardless of camber or anything!!! That's how it had always been.
Till you are on an on/off ramp where the camber is sharp. I guess if you don't skip leg day and can press 700lbs you would be alright lol I always have my foot up on the right peg too, but there are occasions where you just have to put down that foot for better stability.
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I guess if you don't skip leg day and can press 700lbs you would be alright lol
I dropped (more like gently set down) my RT at one of the rally classes. First time ever. I was amazed at how easily I lifted it back up. Seriously. I'm no body builder and it was trivial.

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I dropped (more like gently set down) my RT at one of the rally classes. First time ever. I was amazed at how easily I lifted it back up. Seriously. I'm no body builder and it was trivial.
Oh ya for sure, given the right technique its very easy to pickup, heck even a big old Goldwing can be done fairly easy. My comment was more in regards to putting a foot down on a camber where you basically have the full weight of the bike on your leg along with the impact of your foot coming down.

Those cases its super hard to recover from as there is no real way to get the bike back upright without just saying YOLO and giving it gas and try to straighten it that way. Had that happen to me once at an intersection close to my house. Went to put my right foot down case the road is all chewed up. Bike started to lean way more than I was okay with (because the road sucks!) so I gave it gas and went into the crosswalk to get the bike back upright and onto a more level part of the road. That was on my old Tenere which sits much higher, knock on wood I've not had any issues like that on the RT.
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How about some after market designer design a powered foot peg. Automatically raises the peg prior to a stop using a tiny motor linked into the Can-bus. Easy.

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I don't find the peg location to be a problem; 5'10" with 31" inseam, and still a youngster at 71.

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Till you are on an on/off ramp where the camber is sharp. I guess if you don't skip leg day and can press 700lbs you would be alright lol I always have my foot up on the right peg too, but there are occasions where you just have to put down that foot for better stability.
I don't think that I will have any issues. When I was riding in NZ, in 2017, I had rented a wethead and asked for the low seat. Knowing that I would be riding on the left, and that the camber can be quite extreme (as compared to here, in the US), I had kept the seat in the low position. One time, when I was parking the RT in Greymouth, in front of a store where I needed to buy something, and the camber was extremely severe (average rainfall at this location could be as much as 1,600mm, or 63 inches per year), I tried to angle the bike as sharply away from the curb as practical. Still, when I managed to set the RT down on its sidestand, I remembered thinking that I sure hope I don't have to ask passerby for help to get the bike upright again! I didn't have to, but it was very tough. As always, my right foot was glued to the right peg the whole time!

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