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I have brand new Conti tires (less than 300 miles) and the rear tire helped clean up a roofing contractor's nail. It's right in the middle of the tire. A couple of bike dealers in the area won't help with the repair, citing "liability concerns."

Even if I do repair it well (like, from the inside of the tire using the right kit) and find someone to install the tire again, should I? Not an easy question to answer, I know. It's about risk. What I don't know is the experience others have had.

I suspect this will fall into the same category of asking what's the best oil to use....

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If it was me, I would put one of those string (rope) type plugs into the tire and call it a day.
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I have brand new Conti tires (less than 300 miles) and the rear tire helped clean up a roofing contractor's nail. It's right in the middle of the tire. A couple of bike dealers in the area won't help with the repair, citing "liability concerns."

Even if I do repair it well (like, from the inside of the tire using the right kit) and find someone to install the tire again, should I? Not an easy question to answer, I know. It's about risk. What I don't know is the experience others have had.

I suspect this will fall into the same category of asking what's the best oil to use....
I had the same issue on a ride. No one would touch it because they said they where not mechanics and would not take the wheel off. They would fix the tire if I took the wheel off however but I didn't have the tools on the road. So I put a dog turd in it for the rest of the 1500km ride and when I got back my local motorbike shop repaired it properly.


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post #4 of 33 Old Jun 15th, 2019, 2:25 pm
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I used a "slug" plug on my old bike when I got a nail with new tires. Had zero issues and ran the tire down till it was time to replace it. No one will recomend doing it as you only have two wheels, if one has a catastrophic failure because of the plug you are screwed.

I tried the "fancy" Dynaplugs, those were garbage from my experience although it says "permanent" repair.
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Re: Repair or Replace Tire

Had the same thing happen to me a little over a year ago. I bought a new tire and had the shop replace it, they gave me the damaged tire and sold me an internal plug/patch (told me they couldn't plug it due to liability but would put the tire on with the plug installed by me). When the newer tire was due to be replaced, I plugged the older one and had the shop mount it. I got over 6000 miles from the plugged tire with no issues at all. The internal plug/patch is pretty robust.

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I had an independent motorcycle tire shop plug my near-new Michelin Road five a month ago. Used one of those mushroom plugs and it seems very solid. Not leaking any air, so I'm not worried about it. On a tire with only 300 miles and a clean nail in the center of the tread, I wouldn't worry about having it plugged. Just keep an eye on it for leakage.

Those contractor's nails are the worst because the large head and short shaft makes them pop up when you run over them and skewer the tire. Ouch!
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I bought a new tire and had the shop replace it, they gave me the damaged tire and sold me an internal plug/patch (told me they couldn't plug it due to liability but would put the tire on with the plug installed by me). When the newer tire was due to be replaced, I plugged the older one and had the shop mount it.
That's not a bad idea and something I hadn't thought of.

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I have brand new Conti tires (less than 300 miles) and the rear tire helped clean up a roofing contractor's nail. It's right in the middle of the tire. A couple of bike dealers in the area won't help with the repair, citing "liability concerns."

Even if I do repair it well (like, from the inside of the tire using the right kit) and find someone to install the tire again, should I? Not an easy question to answer, I know. It's about risk. What I don't know is the experience others have had.

I suspect this will fall into the same category of asking what's the best oil to use....
I have a Stop-n-Go repair kit. I've never had to use it on my bike, but I have on the left front wheel of my 2016 Pilot. More than 10,000 miles later and ridden for long distance in the heat at 85 mph and everything is still going strong.

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Plug it yourself. I got over a thousand miles on a temporary plug once to get me home from the alps. Once I got home I decided to keep it until the tyre was ready to be replaced. I used the Tip Top repair kit


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Long time ago, in Germany, right before i was to leave on a long weekend trip to Swiss Alps, picked up large screw, centerline of rear HD tire. Plugged with rope plug and went on trip. No issues, when I traded bike 1.5 yrs later, plug was still in rear tire !
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I recently had something similar happen (on a tire with many more miles). Since I had the BMWMOA road hazard warranty, and they were willing to pay for replacement, I did that... eventually.

The problem was that the tire was on back order in the US (Continental RoadAttack 3 GT) so I would have had to wait for a month for the new tire. My independent dismounted the tire, plugged it from the inside, and remounted it. $28 since I just brought him the rim and tire, vs riding in.

In a few weeks when the new tire was available, I got the free replacement (and did the front tire at the same time).

I would *absolutely* do a plug installed from the inside of the tire if I were in your situation. I had no issues during the time I was riding on mine.

I also carry an emergency pump and the cord plugs you can install from the outside. I would not hesitate to use it in an emergency, and then get an inside plug installed in the tire after that.

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Another successful plugging story.
Newish rear tyre with 80% wear left at the time of the puncture.
Took the tyre off then to an independent bike shop.
Mushroom plugged from the inside which cost 20% of the cost of a replacement tyre.
0 - 0 = 0
8 - 2 = 6
Saved 60% of the cost of a new tyre and it went for another 12000 km.

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I personally plugged the rear tire of a HD with the string and glue stuff. Rode at least another 5,000 miles before the tire was fully worn and replaced. During the remaining tire life, the air pressures never changed more than normal... AKA, the plug wasnít leaking.

Witnessed a FRONT tire ďprofessionallyĒ plugged at a shop on a 600ish pound Burgman Scooter on a trip months ago. We all finished that Tail of the Dragon trip and he has gone on a couple more big trips with freeway speeds and lots of twisties and the tire is still A-OK.

As long as the hole wasnít too far off center (same way I would approach a car tire repair), I would repair and keep on riding. I was told that it is important to trim the string repair closely to the current tread. I donít know if it matters but easy enough to use a little razor and complete. (I guess the theory is that if a string extends way past normal tread could grip the pavement and pull the string out.)

Good luck with your decision and please report back with your decision.
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Seems like every time I split lanes I get a nail. I've used the sticky rope and at one time I had 3 plugs in one tire and never had a problem.
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Seems like every time I split lanes I get a nail. I've used the sticky rope and at one time I had 3 plugs in one tire and never had a problem.
Most of the metal road trash seems to move to the sides .... I see a lot of it on my bicycle.
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I recently had something similar happen (on a tire with many more miles). Since I had the BMWMOA road hazard warranty, and they were willing to pay for replacement, I did that... eventually.

The problem was that the tire was on back order in the US (Continental RoadAttack 3 GT) so I would have had to wait for a month for the new tire. My independent dismounted the tire, plugged it from the inside, and remounted it. $28 since I just brought him the rim and tire, vs riding in.

In a few weeks when the new tire was available, I got the free replacement (and did the front tire at the same time).

I would *absolutely* do a plug installed from the inside of the tire if I were in your situation. I had no issues during the time I was riding on mine.

I also carry an emergency pump and the cord plugs you can install from the outside. I would not hesitate to use it in an emergency, and then get an inside plug installed in the tire after that.

Good luck!
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Considering the location, add my vote to plugging the tire and riding it.

If you have a TPMS system it will also alert you if you start losing pressure in that tire.

I had to plug a tire last year, and just put new tires on last week. The plug never caused any problems.

My RT didnít come factory-equipped with TPMS, but I have a Garmin 395 LM which will work with their tire pressure sensors. I bought a set of sensors after the plugging and installed them and itís been great peace of mind ever since.


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If it was me, I would put one of those string (rope) type plugs into the tire and call it a day.
Yep - I used to replace tires when I hit a nail/screw. But, tried one of the tar rope plugs once and that tire lasted thousands of miles. Iíd try that first - quick, easy, and solid - at least in my experience.
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If it was me, I would put one of those string (rope) type plugs into the tire and call it a day.

+1 to those string repairs. I have used it in several incidents and ridden them to the end of the tyre's life. Very pleased with them.

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If you haven't heard of or used the string repair kit made by The Nealey Co., give them a try. They make a permanent repair by creating ball inside the tire that can't pull through.

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https://www.nealeytirerepairkit.com/repair-kits

I've been using them for years and they are the best tire repair kit you can buy.

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I've done this twice now after picking up screws in a relatively new rear tire ... after a temporary Stop&Go mushroom plug to get me home, I used some pro tools obtained off eBay and a permanent mushroom plug like these which get vulcanized in place:

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Repair lasted the remaining life of the tire.
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I plugged a tire at 1000 miles with a stop and go mushroom and rode the tire out to all but 9K. So 8K on a plug and no issues.

If you plug a tire and it proves out holding air over time, IMHO it is good to go.

I once plugged a tire and knew when I ran the reamer I scraped a cord, so it held until I got where I needed to be and it was replaced.

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I have brand new Conti tires (less than 300 miles) and the rear tire helped clean up a roofing contractor's nail. It's right in the middle of the tire. A couple of bike dealers in the area won't help with the repair, citing "liability concerns."

Even if I do repair it well (like, from the inside of the tire using the right kit) and find someone to install the tire again, should I? Not an easy question to answer, I know. It's about risk. What I don't know is the experience others have had.

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In the end I decided to patch the tire using a mushroom patch. It helps to have a friend who has a tire mounting system. Now I have to see whether I have to get it balanced. We forgot to mark where the tire was attached to the wheel. It's been nothing but rain in Chicagoland for, oh, months, so getting out on the bike is not an everyday opportunity.

The input from everybody above helped a lot in making that decision. And if it leaks later, then I just replace the tire.

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Which brings to mind my last experience with a nail/tire passing through Dallas.
No shop would repair the darn brand new PR4. I had to buy a new tire.

If I would have been at home, I would have taken it to the shop where they do an inside the tire patch which, in spite of all the kudos given on this thread to the worm-plug procedures, is not as good as an inside job.

The other consensus on a patched-up tire is toning down your speeds on a patched tired...something I cannot do while I am touring.
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Lost my first rear tire at 600 miles the same way. I contemplated plugging and/or patching from the inside or both but in consideration of the fact that there are only two (2) tires on these things and tires don't often tend to go flat while parked rather under stress I would hate to have it go flat again while on the highway or somewhere away from home. Sure the expense is an inconvenience, but think of the expense if you go down at... well... any speed.
Have it replaced and be safe. Bring the bad one home and patch away if you feel like it and keep as a spare... or use the rubber in some other creative way around the house/garden.
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My experience is quite the opposite.
Each of the flats (4 or 5) I've had in the last 10 years with tubeless tyres have only been noticeable after the bike has been parked overnight.
Either it was hard work pushing the bike out of the shed or the TPM warning light came on as I rode off. My leaks with tubeless tyres have not been catastrophic but instead slow. So much so that the last time it happened I inflated the tyre back to its normal pressure, an hour later measured the pressure again to find it down only a couple of pounds, then rode it 30 minutes into a bike shop to get it repaired.

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In my previous 55 years of riding I don't believe I've ever had a bike with a set of tires that went the full distance without having at least one tire repair plug in use.

Saved several annual trips with a quick "sticky rope" type of plug with NO problems running them until time for replacement.

Plugging a tire the very first time is a frustrating experience, but do a few of them and it becomes a source of pride when you drive away on the plugged result!

As I now have the MOA tire replacement thing, it's not quite as bad as before but in order to make it to a dealer to get the tire replacement, you still need to plug it!!

After our last big hurricane, the service repair trucks were dropping all kinds of junk on the roads. A flat tire twice a month was not uncommon. What a pain.

At least at home you can spend some quality time in your own garage while doing the rear tire plug.

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... and for the last 15 years have been using this stuff
That doesn't look good for TPMS sensors does it?

I bought the DynaPlug kit and have used it a couple of times but I don't see how it could compare from a durability/safety standpoint to a mushroom plug type or some other kind of internally installed plug that can't migrate. Those sound really good provided the carcass has just a clean puncture.

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Not me. I use the camel string stuff. Very impressed with it in all the flats me and my riding buddies have had.

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In the end, I suppose it comes down the level of risk one is comfortable with. I'm generally risk averse when it comes to riding but no one posted about bad experience with a repaired tire, so the risk seemed low. The pressure's stay steady since. Not even sure if I could find the repair now. If it was the sidewall, yeah, different conversation. The internal patch has proven a fine choice, though I was luck to have a friend with a tire changing apparatus. Not many can afford to replace a tire that they replaced only a month before.

Noel, just curious how the TPMS fits into this since it's really just measuring pressure, right? Unless, of course you inject some junk into the tire that coats the TPMS...

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There is no problem with TPMS Noel ,they do however mention that it will mes up Honda Goldwings TPMS. Maz BMW said not to worry and if you watch the video you will see that it sticks to the inside of the tire. It is nothing like Slime which just sloches around and drips. When you remove the tire from the rim there is very little if anything on the rim
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