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Pabst Jun 9th, 2019 6:34 pm

Gas cap question
 
Is there a particular reason gas caps are hinged the way they are? I find it difficult to get those fillers in the tank, it's a really awkward position to try and get into, you have to stand sideways and try to turn the nozzle backwards. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the hinged cap open towards the front? I can't be the only one this bothers (or maybe I can) and do other states besides California have those nozzles that spill more than the fumes they're trying to prevent escaping? Is it possible to take the bolts out and spin the filler cap 180 degrees?

Beemer tiger Jun 9th, 2019 7:18 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
HEY!!! I'm so glad you asked the question? It took a few months, but your thread title confirms I'm not the only one!:smile: So...here's the link to my earlier thread where we discussed this. https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-seri...-question.html

I was hoping that I could simply "clock" the filler around an any position in the circle to suit me. According to the answers I received from more experienced riders, it only goes one way and I didn't pursue it any further. But I'm still happy to see your question to confirm I'm not the only one wondering.:wave

Pabst Jun 9th, 2019 8:02 pm

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Oh wow, I searched but couldn't find anything, it really bugs me, I'm almost ready to sell it and get a GSA for the bigger tank so I don't have to fill as often.:lol8: Thanks!

kellenbenz Jun 10th, 2019 6:04 am

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I have not tried it, but thinking about one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015P57XZ4...v_ov_lig_dp_it

bandytales Jun 10th, 2019 8:18 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kellenbenz (Post 1914103)
I have not tried it, but thinking about one of these:

What do these bring to the party? I can't see how that helps, apart from the risk of dropping it and getting it scratched, dented or contaminated. Or worse, losing it. I like the fact that the OEM cap is secured to the bike. It is a clean elegant and reliable solution

MHTOUR Jun 10th, 2019 11:23 am

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Originally Posted by bandytales (Post 1914111)
dropping it and getting it scratched, dented or contaminated.

Do you guys actually take your bikes outside?

Kabish Jun 10th, 2019 5:29 pm

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Originally Posted by bandytales (Post 1914111)
What do these bring to the party? I can't see how that helps, apart from the risk of dropping it and getting it scratched, dented or contaminated. Or worse, losing it. I like the fact that the OEM cap is secured to the bike. It is a clean elegant and reliable solution

It would help with the OP question cause it would allow you to just push the pump into the bike without the cap getting in the way. In CA we have annoying boots on our gas pumps, I think a few other states do this too.. Just makes getting fuel annoying.

That said I found a GasBuddy, basically a wedge that you just slide into the boot that holds it back... :surprise:

Pabst Jun 10th, 2019 7:42 pm

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I like that idea! Yes, the very annoying and sometimes impossible CA gas pumps depending where my phone or go pro are mounted. Thanks!

bandytales Jun 11th, 2019 4:28 am

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Originally Posted by Kabish (Post 1914159)
It would help with the OP question cause it would allow you to just push the pump into the bike without the cap getting in the way. In CA we have annoying boots on our gas pumps, I think a few other states do this too.. Just makes getting fuel annoying.

That said I found a GasBuddy, basically a wedge that you just slide into the boot that holds it back... :surprise:

Ah, We don't have those convoluted boots. However, I think I like the GasBuddy Wedge better than changing my fuel filler cap.

kellenbenz Jun 11th, 2019 5:51 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bandytales (Post 1914111)
What do these bring to the party? I can't see how that helps, apart from the risk of dropping it and getting it scratched, dented or contaminated. Or worse, losing it. I like the fact that the OEM cap is secured to the bike. It is a clean elegant and reliable solution

My 2017 RT has the key type fuel cap and for almost a year now I have had to jiggle the key for several minutes to get it open. I have used 2 containers of dry lube but the problem still exists. Doing away with the key might save me from the day the it will not open again.

bandytales Jun 11th, 2019 6:00 am

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Originally Posted by kellenbenz (Post 1914211)
My 2017 RT has the key type fuel cap and for almost a year now I have had to jiggle the key for several minutes to get it open.

I think I'd have had it back to the dealers for it to be fixed if it had been playing up for that long.

6speedTi Jun 11th, 2019 8:36 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kellenbenz (Post 1914211)
My 2017 RT has the key type fuel cap and for almost a year now I have had to jiggle the key for several minutes to get it open. I have used 2 containers of dry lube but the problem still exists. Doing away with the key might save me from the day the it will not open again.

2017? Warranty claim sounds good.

alegerlotz Jun 11th, 2019 9:38 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bandytales (Post 1914111)
What do these bring to the party? I can't see how that helps, apart from the risk of dropping it and getting it scratched, dented or contaminated. Or worse, losing it. I like the fact that the OEM cap is secured to the bike. It is a clean elegant and reliable solution

The stock gas cap locks as well.

alabrew Jun 11th, 2019 11:24 am

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If it is like the caps on the K100/K75 series, turning it the other way will block the water drain which is on the left.

I expect that there is a reason The Factory positioned it opening to the rear, but I don’t know what it is.

After 14 yrs on the LT's with it’s side stand filler, I really got to appreciate it when I bought the ’85 and ’91 K100’s and you have to put them on the center stand to get a full fill. I use a BMW tank bag on them, so have to get off and unzip it to fill. BTW, it is hinged to flip backwards like the filler caps.

PMitchell Jun 11th, 2019 12:11 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabish (Post 1914159)
It would help with the OP question cause it would allow you to just push the pump into the bike without the cap getting in the way. In CA we have annoying boots on our gas pumps, I think a few other states do this too.. Just makes getting fuel annoying.

That said I found a GasBuddy, basically a wedge that you just slide into the boot that holds it back... :surprise:

Googled GasBuddy and wedge and only the ap came up for pricing of fuel. Availability?

LAF Jun 11th, 2019 3:05 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alabrew (Post 1914229)
If it is like the caps on the K100/K75 series, turning it the other way will block the water drain which is on the left.

I expect that there is a reason The Factory positioned it opening to the rear, but I donít know what it is.

After 14 yrs on the LT's with itís side stand filler, I really got to appreciate it when I bought the í85 and í91 K100ís and you have to put them on the center stand to get a full fill. I use a BMW tank bag on them, so have to get off and unzip it to fill. BTW, it is hinged to flip backwards like the filler caps.

I have seen it written that you can fill the bike with more gas when it is on the side stand.

I do miss my LT for sure! I would kill for that center stand on any bike after it:grin:

I can say I fill the GS on the side stand when we travel as I am the mule. I am carrying everything for Patricia and I both so there are times I can not put the bike on the center stand to fill it because of the weight. I just put what I can on the side stand and call it a day. I never notice a drop in distance I can travel so it must be close in filling on the side stand and center stand.

TwoWheels Jun 11th, 2019 4:05 pm

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I think this is what you are looking for.
Two styles to choose from.

https://www.aerostich.com/gascard.html

https://www.aerostich.com/e-z-fill-nozzle-key.html

Norcal7 Jun 11th, 2019 5:12 pm

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Digtlartst Jun 11th, 2019 5:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Norcal7 (Post 1914261)

So the idea of this gadget is to defeat vapor recovery? I'm an ol geezer and I can fill my RTW with Virginia VR nozzles while seated on the bike, no problem.

Pabst Jun 11th, 2019 7:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Digtlartst (Post 1914263)
So the idea of this gadget is to defeat vapor recovery? I'm an ol geezer and I can fill my RTW with Virginia VR nozzles while seated on the bike, no problem.

I'll just use one until I'm an ol' geezer.:grin:

PadG Jun 12th, 2019 7:15 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LAF (Post 1914247)
I have seen it written that you can fill the bike with more gas when it is on the side stand.

I do miss my LT for sure! I would kill for that center stand on any bike after it:grin:

I can say I fill the GS on the side stand when we travel as I am the mule. I am carrying everything for Patricia and I both so there are times I can not put the bike on the center stand to fill it because of the weight. I just put what I can on the side stand and call it a day. I never notice a drop in distance I can travel so it must be close in filling on the side stand and center stand.

Lee, the riders manual for my RT states quite clearly that, to get the maximum amount of fuel into the tank, you need to fill up with the bike on its side-stand. This was in both the '14 and '15 RT manual. So, I imagine that it's the same thing for your GS.

Beemer tiger Jun 12th, 2019 8:24 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
Well...how 'bout this...a very simple question posed by fellow forum member, Pabst.:smile: In the responses, we have learned that there are solutions to the issue of the gas cap position. Either an aftermarket replacement, or a gadget to help us "Live with it."

As with other forums in which I participate, I'm often amazed at how some seemingly innocuous topics capture so much attention and live much larger in our consciousness than expected.:wink: So...here we are, three days, 21 posts & counting...a truly international forum allowing us to share concerns across the globe, different countries, languages, and cultures.:wave

As I'm relaxed on my reclining sofa, enjoying morning coffee, back door view out across a southern(U.S.) field, half-way paying attention to morning news emanating from the TV across the room...

Bless our hearts!:) If our lives are unfolding in a manner that allows us to have the time to discuss such topics as the orientation of the fuel filler cap on our motorcycles????...WE ARE TRULY BLESSED.:bmw::toast:

PadG Jun 12th, 2019 1:11 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
C'mon Tiger, shouldn't you be out riding??? :smile:
Just got back from a couple of hours of local ride through some of the very large MetroPark system here. I am amazed as to what mpg I could get when forced to ride at 30 - 40 mph for (altogether) almost 200 miles. 52 mpg!

McWideglide Jun 12th, 2019 7:13 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
I would consider a removable cap on my RT. With windscreen and handlebar nearly in the way it is an effort to get the VR lined up. It does seem to fill nearly to the top so another bit of hold the collar back to top off the tank. All my BMW's have had rear raising caps. My Harlee has a screw cap. Simple Chrome. It has never hit the ground. I don't like the billet cap shown earlier in this string. More little places that need be cleaned. Make me a simple chrome screw off cap.

Chieflonghair Jun 13th, 2019 6:50 am

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Originally Posted by Beemer tiger (Post 1914311)
Well...how 'bout this...a very simple question posed by fellow forum member, Pabst.<img src="http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/BMWLT_2015/smilies/tango_face_smile.png" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> In the responses, we have learned that there are solutions to the issue of the gas cap position. Either an aftermarket replacement, or a gadget to help us "Live with it."

As with other forums in which I participate, I'm often amazed at how some seemingly innocuous topics capture so much attention and live much larger in our consciousness than expected.<img src="http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/BMWLT_2015/smilies/tango_face_wink.png" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> So...here we are, three days, 21 posts & counting...a truly international forum allowing us to share concerns across the globe, different countries, languages, and cultures.[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/smilies/wave.gif[/IMG]

As I'm relaxed on my reclining sofa, enjoying morning coffee, back door view out across a southern(U.S.) field, half-way paying attention to morning news emanating from the TV across the room...

Bless our hearts!<img src="http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> If our lives are unfolding in a manner that allows us to have the time to discuss such topics as the orientation of the fuel filler cap on our motorcycles????...WE ARE TRULY BLESSED.[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/smilies/BMWsmile.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/smilies/toast.gif[/IMG]

Perfect!!!!

kellenbenz Jun 13th, 2019 7:18 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandytales (Post 1914213)
I think I'd have had it back to the dealers for it to be fixed if it had been playing up for that long.

It has 89,900 miles on it. No warranty.

HowSwede Jun 13th, 2019 8:28 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
Hi there I'm into fuel pump and fuel pump electronics right now. My bike is a R1200RT 2005.
The gas lid which has to be opened with the key is fastened with 7 hex screws. Just unscrew the plastic on top of the tank. then unscrew the seven screws holding the gas tank lid.
Then you can turn it in seven different positions and then fasten the screws again.
when it comes loose there is another "funnel" metal ring under the gas lid, you have to make sure the holes line up while putting the screws back in or they will not go in, not a difficult thing to do.
Gas lid also holds the top plastic on top of the gas tank.
Hope this is helpful.
Best regards

bandytales Jun 13th, 2019 9:28 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kellenbenz (Post 1914381)
It has 89,900 miles on it. No warranty.

I thought your bike was a 2017 bike. Isn't that still in the warranty period in the 'States?

bandytales Jun 13th, 2019 9:32 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSwede (Post 1914387)
Hi there I'm into fuel pump and fuel pump electronics right now. My bike is a R1200RT 2005.
The gas lid which has to be opened with the key is fastened with 7 hex screws. Just unscrew the plastic on top of the tank. then unscrew the seven screws holding the gas tank lid.
Then you can turn it in seven different positions and then fasten the screws again.
when it comes loose there is another "funnel" metal ring under the gas lid, you have to make sure the holes line up while putting the screws back in or they will not go in, not a difficult thing to do.
Gas lid also holds the top plastic on top of the gas tank.
Hope this is helpful.
Best regards

I thought the OP was talking about a Wethead. These are secured with 6 Torx bolts. The filler cap assembly has a drain tube and can't be rotated.

6speedTi Jun 13th, 2019 11:38 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
2012 can't be rotated either. I tried and without some extensive modification it's not going to happen.

Kabish Jun 13th, 2019 12:44 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
Is it REALLY that bad of an issue?? lol I filled up yesterday and kept my camera running as I was laughing and thinking about this post, maybe I should post it >:)

CaptJDavis Jun 13th, 2019 4:57 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beemer tiger (Post 1914311)
Well...how 'bout this...a very simple question posed by fellow forum member, Pabst.:smile: In the responses, we have learned that there are solutions to the issue of the gas cap position. Either an aftermarket replacement, or a gadget to help us "Live with it."

As with other forums in which I participate, I'm often amazed at how some seemingly innocuous topics capture so much attention and live much larger in our consciousness than expected.:wink: So...here we are, three days, 21 posts & counting...a truly international forum allowing us to share concerns across the globe, different countries, languages, and cultures.:wave

As I'm relaxed on my reclining sofa, enjoying morning coffee, back door view out across a southern(U.S.) field, half-way paying attention to morning news emanating from the TV across the room...

Bless our hearts!:) If our lives are unfolding in a manner that allows us to have the time to discuss such topics as the orientation of the fuel filler cap on our motorcycles????...WE ARE TRULY BLESSED.:bmw::toast:

This reminds me a story I've heard from my dad decades ago when I was a young man...

A married couple were questioned by a reporter and asked what they owe their long and happy marriage.
Husband says " well, we are happily married since years and years because in our relationship we share every important aspects of our lives evenly. Then he continues " for example my wife takes care of the LITTLE THINGS like cleaning our house, gardening, shopping for groceries, paying our bills in a timely manner, cooking our meals, washing dishes, doing our laundry, driving our kids to school and back, helping with their homework, performing maintenance around our house... "

Then reporter interrupts him and asks "but then what's left to you?"

Husband says " Oh, I am in charge all of the BIG & IMPORTANT issues in life, like if Russia or China is our real enemy and what may North Korea do next and how to prevent it, is Green New Deal good or bad for our country, are there any Alien life out there in Universe, etc., "...

So I guess sometimes, "the little stuff" are the real problem causing issues. :wink:

blouw Jun 13th, 2019 6:26 pm

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I've had a 2008 K1200GT and currently have k1600GT and R1200GSA LC. All have the same rearward opening gas cap. I read somewhere on another forum that it is that way for safety reasons. If it pops open in an accident and you slide up the tank, guess what hits the rigid tank cap in the upright position. Can you say castration? In California I have found the nozzles are thinner at the rear and therefore if you insert them from the rear, it works better. This is counter intuitive, but it works for me. There is also a post on some forum showing you how to disassemble the cap and file down the stops to make it open wider.

Pabst Jun 13th, 2019 6:27 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabish (Post 1914401)
Is it REALLY that bad of an issue?? lol I filled up yesterday and kept my camera running as I was laughing and thinking about this post, maybe I should post it >:)

No, not that bad but why not try and make it better? The little tool wouldn't sell if people weren't having the same problem. I saw on eBay.. "73 sold, ten more available" ..so obviously it bugged at least 73 others. Small things tend to bug me more than big things. Spilling more gas than the fumes they're saving seems ridiculous to me, having a Motech mount for my tank bag certainly doesn't help either though. California nozzles and stiff hoses do not help. Even with cars the nozzles suck. I want to see your video anyway.:nerd:

Pabst Jun 13th, 2019 6:36 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
"Guess what hits the rigid tank cap in the upright position. Can you say castration?"

I'm married, that happened a long time ago.

Kabish Jun 13th, 2019 7:53 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pabst (Post 1914425)
Spilling more gas than the fumes they're saving seems ridiculous to me, having a Motech mount for my tank bag certainly doesn't help either though. California nozzles and stiff hoses do not help. Even with cars the nozzles suck. I want to see your video anyway.:nerd:

Okay I'll have to edit it and post it LOL

I personally have never had a drip of gas touch my tank on my RT. Now I've only done maybe 12 fill ups since I owned but, but prior I had a Yamaha Super Tenere which has a similar cap however its hinged on the back side vs up front like the BMW. I also had a Motech quick release ring on that bike and never had any gas drip either. However, I am really careful, I stop the fuel let the nozzle sit there for a few seconds then lift it away quickly, I'm kind of OCD with that type of stuff. I also fuel while sitting on the bike which I know is a debatable topic, but I personally don't see any issue as long as you are paying attention to what you are doing.

If I were to use that tool I'd prob drop it on the bike or scratch the crap out of it in some way. One of my few rules, never mount the bike or move around with something in my hands lol I miss my tankbag for that reason :(

Kabish Jun 13th, 2019 7:58 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
Awwwwwh, my video looped on my camera and erased my fill up on Tuesday.. RIP

Pabst Jun 13th, 2019 10:03 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
Bummer! Maybe it's just me, I'm too worried about hurting the RT, I think I'm more of a GS guy, those are supposed to get beat up.

alegerlotz Jun 14th, 2019 9:49 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandytales (Post 1914393)
I thought your bike was a 2017 bike. Isn't that still in the warranty period in the 'States?

3 years or 36000 miles - whichever comes first.

bandytales Jun 14th, 2019 11:16 am

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alegerlotz (Post 1914469)
3 years or 36000 miles - whichever comes first.

Ah! Still better than our 2 years though!

casbar Jun 14th, 2019 1:25 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandytales (Post 1914477)
Ah! Still better than our 2 years though!

Not anymore, we have caught up. If you want three years, buy a new bike :)

kellenbenz Jun 15th, 2019 4:41 pm

Re: Gas cap question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandytales (Post 1914393)
I thought your bike was a 2017 bike. Isn't that still in the warranty period in the 'States?


No .....it is 3 years or 36000 miles....whatever comes first.


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