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post #1 of 26 Old Jun 4th, 2019, 1:11 am Thread Starter
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Might not be that interesting for most of you veteran RT riders, but this past weekend the wife road with me for the first time. It was our anniversary so we bought her some gear and took a trip up to Julian, CA which was about a 3hr or so round trip. BTW you can fit a full Julian apple pie in the side case of the RT

Anyways, I was truly amazed at the performance of the bike. When we were about to leave I road forward about 3 feet and was like woooooooooh something is wrong, then I remembered I hadn't set the suspension for 2up. Once the suspension was set the bike just felt amazing, really did not feel too much different from just me being on the bike. We aren't the "smallest" of people either, prob around 400lb easily on the seat. Few red lights that I had to really break for, one incident with gravel (damn rocks from hell, just slid a bit) and then I really screwed up coming into my driveway due to the shift of weight when hitting the curb that I was not expecting. Outside of those three things though we had a really good ride. The Julian ride is some what curvy although I took the less curvy route and took things super slow. Once we got back home wife wanted to go out for dinner and catch a movie, she wanted to take the bike

So this past weekend was the first time I've taken the bike on curvy roads, first time carrying a passenger, and first time riding the RT at night lol Was a lot of fun, and she seemed to enjoy it, so hopefully there will be many more rides to come. I was just super impressed with how the RT handled and how it still had punch when you needed to pick up speed.
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post #2 of 26 Old Jun 4th, 2019, 1:25 am
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Glad to hear it all went well. I have not taken my new wife (got married in Sept 2017 at 55 years old) on the bike yet because I am short with stubby legs and don't feel real confident with a passenger, plus she weighs more than me and has a taller torso (same height, shorter legs). I have rode with passengers before but seldom, and on different, lower bikes.

Would love to take her for a ride though, Maybe we'll try it out for a short jaunt around the neighborhood first.
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It seems the more you ride with a passenger the more acclimated you get to the weight difference, as is the case with my RT. The KLT was a different story and due to the fact we were usually on a long trip, stuck in traffic, getting older and most often loaded for bear! So I remedied that by adding a third wheel to it. Some folks prefer riding solo but my enjoyment is riding with my SO as she enjoys it as much as me. When I do ride solo it’s usually for only a quick spin around the block, so to speak…….
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My wife and I have only ridden 2-up a couple of times. She has her own bike, but the RT is made for touring, so would like to do a bit more. The biggest thing is, how do you stop the helmet banging? Is it just core and keeping back? Is it keeping to the side? How can I coach her and make this better?
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My wife and I have only ridden 2-up a couple of times. She has her own bike, but the RT is made for touring, so would like to do a bit more. The biggest thing is, how do you stop the helmet banging? Is it just core and keeping back? Is it keeping to the side? How can I coach her and make this better?
I added a top case this spring and found that with it she doesn't do the helmet-bump anymore. I guess it's because she sits more upright not having to hang on dear life. She's much more comfortable and confident not having to worry about getting dumped off the rear all the time (I was always very careful to control acceleration).

She doesn't ride much with me and when she does it's for very short runs. I am very impressed with how her weight (which isn't much mind you - she might read this!) just disappears the moment the bike starts moving. Accel/decel, slow speed maneuvering, all of it's like she's not there. Very impressive.
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My wife and I have only ridden 2-up a couple of times. She has her own bike, but the RT is made for touring, so would like to do a bit more. The biggest thing is, how do you stop the helmet banging? Is it just core and keeping back? Is it keeping to the side? How can I coach her and make this better?
Have to be better on the clutch!! lol This was the first time she has EVER been on a bike, and my first time with having someone on the back. She hit my helmet I think 3 times total in the hours we were in the saddle. I know at least two of those times was my fault for not shifting at the appropriate time. My bike does have Up/Down quick shifter which makes a WORLD of difference.. I almost always down shifted without the clutch, but for up shifting 1st-3rd I was always using the clutch. 4th-6th I was just using the quick shifter as I feel those go into gear smoother when running at lower RPMs.. I was taking it pretty easy however, well until getting on freeways... "I saw you hit 100mph!!"..... Whoops, didn't think she could see the speed lol

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She doesn't ride much with me and when she does it's for very short runs. I am very impressed with how her weight (which isn't much mind you - she might read this!) just disappears the moment the bike starts moving. Accel/decel, slow speed maneuvering, all of it's like she's not there. Very impressive.
I found that to be very true as well. Once the bike was moving just a little bit the weight just seemed to go away. I can normally come to a complete stop without lifting my feet, but I could get to that with her on the bike. I got pretty close, but could never get to a full stop.

I don't have the top case yet, really want to get one and 100% agree that it would make the passenger way more comphy. Something I want to get, but my bike has central locking, so that case is like $1700 bucks!!
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Might not be that interesting for most of you veteran RT riders, but this past weekend the wife road with me for the first time. It was our anniversary so we bought her some gear and took a trip up to Julian, CA which was about a 3hr or so round trip. BTW you can fit a full Julian apple pie in the side case of the RT
Julian is a fun run ride, especially if you come down the 79 from Temecula. There is a small air strip off the 79 that runs parallel to the road and every once in a while, you'll catch a small plane coming in for a landing as you're coming down. Pretty cool to be eye to eye with the pilot as they're landing, almost as cool as running neck and neck with a cargo train in the desert! Many fast memories on that road.
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I don't have the top case yet, really want to get one and 100% agree that it would make the passenger way more comfy. Something I want to get, but my bike has central locking, so that case is like $1700 bucks!!
Forget that BMW case. I would NEVER buy something so grossly overpriced. This set up cost me something like $360 shipped to my door. No, it doesn't have central locking or a brake light but be honest, is that something you really NEED? You can add a brake light if that's a gotta-have.

This one is a Shad 39L with a backrest. You can get them in all different sizes and I found their quality to be as good as, if not better, than the OEM side cases on my '13 RT. Rumor has it that they made the OEM cases for BMW (I read that on the internet so it must be true, right?).
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Forget that BMW case. I would NEVER buy something so grossly overpriced. This set up cost me something like $360 shipped to my door. No, it doesn't have central locking or a brake light but be honest, is that something you really NEED? You can add a brake light if that's a gotta-have.

This one is a Shad 39L with a backrest. You can get them in all different sizes and I found their quality to be as good as, if not better, than the OEM side cases on my '13 RT. Rumor has it that they made the OEM cases for BMW (I read that on the internet so it must be true, right?).
Ya... I have an GIVI Outback case brand new under my desk, ALMOST bought the mounting plate used off eBay for $70 bucks... I super enjoy the key-less ride though, my keys never come out of my pocket. To me having to get a key out for the top box would be extraordinarily annoying because I would basically stop using the side cases for my helmet(s).

You can actually get them new off eBay for $1400, which is still pretty steep.... Its on my radar, along with the GPS unit.. Discovered on my trip that if I put my S10+ in the left side "glove box" it kills my GPS signal
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My wife rides with me all the time. She's an avid passenger. Unless it's necessary for storage we don't use the top box. Instead we have the Dusak backrest which serves as a great comfort tool. Dan makes a great product and he used my RT to shoot his install video when we stopped by to pick up the backrest. There's a thread here about it. I'm sure your wife will like it and it's priced right.
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My wife rides with me all the time. She's an avid passenger. Unless it's necessary for storage we don't use the top box. Instead we have the Dusak backrest which serves as a great comfort tool. Dan makes a great product and he used my RT to shoot his install video when we stopped by to pick up the backrest. There's a thread here about it. I'm sure your wife will like it and it's priced right.
I actually think I came across that post, forgot about it, I'll have to go look for it again, THANKS!!!
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Smooth gear changes and momentarily braking gently before throwing out the anchors.
Either that or my wife is such a good pillion she deserves the credit rather than me.
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Forget that BMW case. I would NEVER buy something so grossly overpriced. This set up cost me something like $360 shipped to my door. No, it doesn't have central locking or a brake light but be honest, is that something you really NEED? You can add a brake light if that's a gotta-have.

This one is a Shad 39L with a backrest. You can get them in all different sizes and I found their quality to be as good as, if not better, than the OEM side cases on my '13 RT. Rumor has it that they made the OEM cases for BMW (I read that on the internet so it must be true, right?).
You can buy the prior version of the BMW 49L case for a much lower price than the current one. I bought mine used for $500. I prefer the older version because its quicker to remove from the bike and has a handle you can use to carry it.
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+1 on the smooth shifting and braking. The RT also has good engine braking and I tend to make use of that as much as possible when slowing down. Another help for the passenger is to communicate your intentions, blue tooth comms being excellent, or the use of pre-arranged signals. Enjoy the ride!

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Smooth acceleration too. If necessary feather the throttle slightly at the point of pulling in the clutch and also bleed the throttle on gently as the clutch is released. For the rider, it is more technical and certainly doesn't feel as much fun as 'giving it the beans'. However your passenger may well thank you for it!

I tend to think that helmet banging is worse on acceleration than braking because the pillion is braced for braking but acceleration tends to be several steps of 'power, no power, power, no power, power' as the rider goes up through the 'box.
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I don't have the top case yet, really want to get one and 100% agree that it would make the passenger way more comphy. Something I want to get, but my bike has central locking, so that case is like $1700 bucks!!
Hi Kabish, I tried to private message you in order to not move this post off topic, but this site won't let me until I have 15 posts. Weird.

I bought the 49L topcase, lock cylinder and brakelight from German for far less. The service was great, the shipping was timely, and I save a bunch of money. It's something to think about. Here's the URLs:

Topcase: https://www.bmw-motorrad-bohling.com...200rt-k52.html

Brake light: https://www.bmw-motorrad-bohling.com...00gtl-k48.html

Lock cylinder: https://www.bmw-motorrad-bohling.com...-28-liter.html
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My wife and I have only ridden 2-up a couple of times. She has her own bike, but the RT is made for touring, so would like to do a bit more. The biggest thing is, how do you stop the helmet banging? Is it just core and keeping back? Is it keeping to the side? How can I coach her and make this better?
2-Up riding really shows how smoothly you can shift. Smoother shifting and gentle braking are key to reducing helmets bumping.

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What is missing from this discussion so far is the role of the pillion passenger in avoiding helmet clashes. I'm not wanting to place the blame on the pillion but rather to recognise a skill that is seldom acknowledged by us riders.
The laws of inertia make the pillion's body want to move forward under braking (helmet clash!) and back under acceleration. To avoid doing so would require exerting an equal and opposite force. Pushing down through the footpegs and holding onto a grab bar allow the pillion to exert that equal and opposite force under braking. A skilled pillion will be able to anticipate braking through situational awareness or if given a warning through an initial gentle dab on the brakes be ready.
My wife's only complaint about my '15 RT is that the grab bar is positioned in such a way as to make it impossible for her to brace herself holding on behind her back.
She learnt the art of pillioning on the back of a 1972 Kawasaki 750 two stroke - think thermonuclear lawnmower. She knows what she is talking about.

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Hi Kabish, I tried to private message you in order to not move this post off topic, but this site won't let me until I have 15 posts. Weird.

I bought the 49L topcase, lock cylinder and brakelight from German for far less. The service was great, the shipping was timely, and I save a bunch of money. It's something to think about. Here's the URLs:

Topcase: https://www.bmw-motorrad-bohling.com...200rt-k52.html

Brake light: https://www.bmw-motorrad-bohling.com...00gtl-k48.html

Lock cylinder: https://www.bmw-motorrad-bohling.com...-28-liter.html
Thanks Jeff I'll take a look at it!!

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Yep, I cannot get over the price of a plastic box. I finally broke down when I found a small BMW top case at a yard sale for $5. No idea what it's from but it came with mounting brackets and a re-keyable cylinder and keys. Doesn't look like it was ever used.
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I actually think I came across that post, forgot about it, I'll have to go look for it again, THANKS!!!
Kabish, Here is the link to the thread. Post number 12 talks about features and construction. Toward the end of the thread is the installation video.

I have sold quite a few of the K1600 passenger backrests over the years and many including myself use a tail bag if additional storage is needed. This keeps the weight as well as the costs down.

My most recent customer purchased a Nelson Rigg Traveler tour bag that is 73 Liters for under $200. I myself use a Tourmaster Coaster SL ($132) that is just the right size for a 2 up day or overnight trip. I would be happy to post pictures if you want. Let me know. Dan



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Sounds like you guys had a good time! My girlfriend has never been a fan of 2-up on my smaller bikes, so here's hoping she enjoys my RT a little more.
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Glad you enjoyed yourself. My wife is amazing on the back of the bike. I hardly notice she's there. She's small and light. I can one-foot it at stops, because she balances so well. She knows to look to the inside of corners, so I don't have to worry about her upsetting the bike. It's really a matter of trust. She used to hang on to me around my waist, which I like. Now, she generally just sits there. If I have to brake hard, she pushes into my lower back with her hands. No helmet clanking.
I specifically chose the RT because she's paid her dues on the back of my Aprilia Futura. Now she can ride in comfort. I ordered the old style RT case so she can stretch out more. Seat upgrade is probably coming after this season.
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My wife and ride 2up a fair amount. After riding on the back of an FJR and Super Tenere, she has absolutely no complaints on the back of the RT. It is much more comfortable for her and with the lower COG of the RT, I am more confident, and handling the weight of a passenger much easier. She has learned the social graces of riding as a passenger. The SAP is getting really smooth as I get more miles on the bike and reduced the helmet bumping. We are both really happy with this bike all around. It is the first bike I have owned where if I had the option to purchase something else (and I do) I would buy the same bike.
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