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post #51 of 78 Old Jul 26th, 2019, 5:12 pm
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That sure sucks. The image is a little blurry but I noted what looks like a dark ring there on the camshaft. That looks like the kind of rainbow effect you see on some metals that have been exposed to very high temperatures (think exhaust headers for example).
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Seems like these have been in 2017 and beyond models. My '16 has almost 40K and very recently began starting a little less briskly than it did for the last 40K miles which I thought might be contaminated fuel as addition of methyl alcohol did improve the picture but it's still not quite back to its normal self yet after 2 additional tanks full. Last valve check was about 5K miles ago and all were well within spec.

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2014 RT 79000 miles and I was hearing noisy valves for the last 15000 miles +/-. Always within spec until I noticed the worn cam lobes. Of course your feeler gauges dont measure that gap. At 73000 miles I installed a new stator, after riding 4000 miles and flying 5000 miles to get the bike home. Am I impressed with BMW? That new Goldwing is looking better all the time..
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2014 RT 79000 miles and I was hearing noisy valves for the last 15000 miles +/-. Always within spec until I noticed the worn cam lobes. Of course your feeler gauges dont measure that gap. At 73000 miles I installed a new stator, after riding 4000 miles and flying 5000 miles to get the bike home. Am I impressed with BMW? That new Goldwing is looking better all the time..
Stator AND the cams?!? Yeah. I don't blame you one bit.

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2014 RT 79000 miles and I was hearing noisy valves for the last 15000 miles +/-. Always within spec until I noticed the worn cam lobes. Of course your feeler gauges dont measure that gap. At 73000 miles I installed a new stator, after riding 4000 miles and flying 5000 miles to get the bike home. Am I impressed with BMW? That new Goldwing is looking better all the time..
That's disturbing and I would love to know what the prevalence of failure of these items is and what their average life expectancy is: driveshaft w/ u-joints, stator, cam shafts, shocks. I've been thinking I would keep my '16 for 150K miles but with a few reports of these expensive parts failing right around 80K miles or less it's making me think at 70K or so I should just trade it in on something newer.
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I am quickly losing faith in BMW.
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I am quickly losing faith in BMW.
I know--the problem is we have no good data about these things. Of course forums bias towards people reporting problems but it's all we have to go on unfortunately. For a brand w/ a mega reputation to uphold one would hope the expensive deeply buried parts would be aircraft-grade or better, and these funky cam lobes just seem beyond the pale seriously.
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One would hope BMW views these occurrences of cam lobe wear as an opportunity.

When the first-year wet heads were discovered to have a rear suspension issue BMW acted quickly and decisively. Their program of buy-back/trade in/repair was viewed by most as commendable. This issue affected the safety of the bike and acting forthrightly probably saved many lawsuits, but it also reflected well on the company.

BMW is now in a position to take one of two paths:

- Stonewall, deny, and perhaps have unpublished good-will repairs for only those who make sufficient noise.

- Openly admit that some bikes have an issue and stand by their product. One would hope these occurrences are rare and cost to the company would be relatively small.

Whichever path they chose, word will spread quickly. As one of my former work colleagues so eloquently put it, "Mothers tell their daughters it takes a lifetime to get a good reputation and fifteen minutes in the back seat of a Chevy to get a bad one."

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After big big repair costs on my previous RTs, I got paranoid. My 2016 RT warranty was running out this week so I bought a comprehensive service contract -- 4 years for $804, no deductible, cancelable, and transferable. It's worth $16.75/mo to me for peace of mind.

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Congratulations! You have now guaranteed that your ownership experience will be completely trouble-free!

I bought the Mopar Maxcare unlimited mileage lifetime plan when I got my Durango in 2017 cause I've read of a few issues common to that brand. The result? I have over 58k miles with ZERO issues.

Works every time!

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Congratulations! You have now guaranteed that your ownership experience will be completely trouble-free!

I bought the Mopar Maxcare unlimited mileage lifetime plan when I got my Durango in 2017 cause I've read of a few issues common to that brand. The result? I have over 58k miles with ZERO issues.

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Dang, that guarantee didn't work for me -- I had a 2 year Zurich plan for my 06 RT that paid me back $700 more for repairs than I paid in premium. Unfortunately, I should have bought a 3rd year (or dumped the bike when it expired) because the whizzy ABS then failed and a case seal failed and cost me big time.

It also didn't work for my wife -- who had a 5 year plan on her Acura TL that netted $6500 more in many many repairs over what the warranty cost.

Dang.

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This thread is scaring me.
Where do I go to buy a warranty on a 16 RT with 12k miles?
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I would be interested in learning more about extended warranty options. Have a new to me one owner 2017 RT with 10K miles. Still has factory warranty until April 2020.

Full service history since new and I purchased it preowned from the dealer who sold it new. $800 is a small price to pay for piece of mind.

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2014 RT 79000 miles and I was hearing noisy valves for the last 15000 miles +/-. Always within spec until I noticed the worn cam lobes. Of course your feeler gauges dont measure that gap. At 73000 miles I installed a new stator, after riding 4000 miles and flying 5000 miles to get the bike home. Am I impressed with BMW? That new Goldwing is looking better all the time..
That's disturbing and I would love to know what the prevalence of failure of these items is and what their average life expectancy is: driveshaft w/ u-joints, stator, cam shafts, shocks. I've been thinking I would keep my '16 for 150K miles but with a few reports of these expensive parts failing right around 80K miles or less it's making me think at 70K or so I should just trade it in on something newer.
I agree this is disturbing...my bike a 2014 with just over 99 thousand on her has had both a stator and drive shaft failure...both issues were due to outside source not part failure...the stator was because of a bolt coming out and chewing it up...the drive shaft was due to moisture causing rust to eat up the u-joint...without those issues I see no reason these two parts shouldn't last for unlimited miles...I have yet to need to adjust my valves and the cam lobes still look new....I was in taos new Mexico and met a guy on a wing with over 300 K on it...I am planning on keeping this bike and joining that club someday...the thing I fear is ecu failure or some sort of computer issue and electronic stuff to deal with at some point...would like to do some pre vent maintenance on the handle bar controls...anti corrosion lube and such...but have yet to make a plan for that...the service manual says any attempt to open the multi function wheel will destroy it!!...so I don't know what if anything I should do in that area...any ideas??
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I would be interested in learning more about extended warranty options. Have a new to me one owner 2017 RT with 10K miles. Still has factory warranty until April 2020.

Full service history since new and I purchased it preowned from the dealer who sold it new. $800 is a small price to pay for piece of mind.

Please share details.
Most plans are available only through a dealer. If your dealer doesn't offer a plan, you can contact Zurich Insurance or Rider's Advantage to find a local dealer before your factory warranty runs out.

These bikes are generally reliable so risk is probably low, but lemons are a fact of life. I've had two factory warranty repairs on my '16, no biggies but around $700 worth. These bikes are mechanically and electrically complex and failure of some components can be absurdly expensive to repair - not like your dad's (or mom's) R60.

Apologies to the OP for leading this cam lobes thread astray, so maybe an insurance thread might be started.

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I lost faith in BMW in 2001 when I lost 2 FD's before 12K miles........then was stupid enough to buy another one.
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Took my bike to a different dealer today than the one that did my original service. Was told theyíve had a number of bikeís with the same problem and feel there wonít be a problem with it being covered by the warranty. They said that all the cams will probably be replaced and doubt any further damage was caused by this problem but would check it out. They said good chance it will be ready by the end of this week.

Also said not much hope for warranty coverage on my rim and being so minimal he said shouldnít cause any problems to ride it like it is. Iím ok with that. Told them why I brought the bike to them rather than where I bought it and had my 1st service. He agreed that was probably best. They eased my frustration and Iím looking forward to getting back on the road this weekend.
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If there was a service bulletin, then BMW must have known about the problem!
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I know--the problem is we have no good data about these things. Of course forums bias towards people reporting problems but it's all we have to go on unfortunately. For a brand w/ a mega reputation to uphold one would hope the expensive deeply buried parts would be aircraft-grade or better, and these funky cam lobes just seem beyond the pale seriously.
Try plastic throttle body pulleys that crack.

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I have had the stator go and the now the cam lobes are wearing. It may be a small failure rate but my stator went South near Odessa, Ukraine (I live in Las Vegas) and I just noticed the cam lobes. Stator cost was around $1400 and I pulled the engine. I also had to buy a battery in Romania and 2 battery chargers (Euro & US) for around another $500 to get home. And the cams will cost around $2000 if bought new. So farI am batting 100% . Just waiting for something else like a final drive..... THIS IS NOT A QUALITY build.
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I have had the stator go and the now the cam lobes are wearing. It may be a small failure rate but my stator went South near Odessa, Ukraine (I live in Las Vegas) and I just noticed the cam lobes. Stator cost was around $1400 and I pulled the engine. I also had to buy a battery in Romania and 2 battery chargers (Euro & US) for around another $500 to get home. And the cams will cost around $2000 if bought new. So farI am batting 100% . Just waiting for something else like a final drive..... THIS IS NOT A QUALITY build.
Hi Grant, What year RT do you have? When your stator died, was it an electrical or mechanical failure. When you had the issue in Romania, what was the cause and solution to the problem?

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Seems like these have been in 2017 and beyond models. My '16 has almost 40K and very recently began starting a little less briskly than it did for the last 40K miles which I thought might be contaminated fuel as addition of methyl alcohol did improve the picture but it's still not quite back to its normal self yet after 2 additional tanks full. Last valve check was about 5K miles ago and all were well within spec.
Valve clearance okay but was the cam timing checked via the proper gauge and chain tensioner? Your symptoms are consistent with cam timing being off a little.
I have found the dealers change all 4 cam shafts to remedy the worn lobe issue.

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Or the battery not quite as good as it once was....

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Valve clearance okay but was the cam timing checked via the proper gauge and chain tensioner? Your symptoms are consistent with cam timing being off a little.
I have found the dealers change all 4 cam shafts to remedy the worn lobe issue.
Yes it was checked properly on the last valve check w/ the chain tensioned w/ the tool.

I thought it probably was bum fuel and sure enough after another tank and 3 applications of HEET it's back to instant starts again. I had this happen a while back and it did take a good 3 tanks to clear it all out.

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This whole cam lobe discussion has me losing sleep. I only have 6,500 on the clock and factory warranty is out, but I have about 18 more months of extended. I know it is early but I am half tempted to pull a valve cover to see how things are going.

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This thread is scaring me.
Where do I go to buy a warranty on a 16 RT with 12k miles?
My dealer carries "RPM One" extended service plans.
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This whole cam lobe discussion has me losing sleep. I only have 6,500 on the clock and factory warranty is out, but I have about 18 more months of extended. I know it is early but I am half tempted to pull a valve cover to see how things are going.
That sounds like a excellent idea...only take a few minutes...and hopefully you sleep better after...
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That sounds like a excellent idea...only take a few minutes...and hopefully you sleep better after...
I was about to say the same thing!!

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