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post #1 of 29 Old May 6th, 2019, 7:32 pm Thread Starter
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Shift Assist Pro advice

Hey, I have a 2017 RT with no Shift Assist Pro and have been contemplating getting it installed. Went to the dealer and quoted me 980$ (Canadian) including labor. Wondering if there are anybody who had it installed and are happy they did or it's not worth the money. I definitely regret not adding it when I ordered the bike.
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The 2018 RT I bought had it installed.
The only time I use it is when accelerating up a freeway on ramp.
I'll admit, it's kinda fun, but a grand worth of fun?

No way.
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Re: Shift Assist Pro advice

It came on my 2015, I love it and use it a lot, both upshifting and downshifting, city and highway. While I love it and use it regularly, I would not likely pay a grand to have it added.

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I have it on my 2018 , (it came on the bike) and rarely use it. No way I'd pay $1000 to add it. I have a buddy who has it on his bike and he uses it all the time. To each his own I guess.
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Re: Shift Assist Pro advice

What I was thinking too, a little steep to be able to shift without the clutch.
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All depends on how you like to ride really. Some people are going to hold it in higher regards, and others won't like it or want it.

I've only had my RT for basically a week, and I use the quick shifter up/down all the time. If you ride 2up frequently its handy, if you ride in traffic a lot its pretty handy as well. With that said, the RT is so smooth using a clutch and the clutch has such a smooth pull.
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What I was thinking too, a little steep to be able to shift without the clutch.
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Denis, I ordered my '16 RT w/o SAP. After reading reports of SAP users I decided to try to emulate what it does, sort of! Within a very short time I mastered clutch-less upshifting frequently between 4th-5th, 5th-6th, and occasionally 3-4th. I can do it so well if you were riding on the back you wouldn't feel any lurch at all, and it's definitely way quicker than clutched shifting. It's close to what SAP can do I believe. And that is because the roll-off is so brief as to be almost inconsequential. It took a little while but you're really trying to do is simulate what SAP does automatically by ultra-briefly killing the throttle and resuming it in the same position as you rolled off from. I'm reluctant to say 'rolled off' because it is virtually instantaneously fast! It's a perfectly timed reverse blip. If I think about it too much I can't get perfection. The tendency for a while was to return the throttle a little too far past where it was rolled off. But over a few months I got really good at it and have done it most of the time for the past 2y now. I'm saving the clutch and throwout bearing a little perhaps. So by doing this faux SAP, clutch-less upshifting you can get at least some of what SAP folks have w/o paying for it. No, it's not the same, but it what it is, and I enjoy doing it. As for really 'needing' SAP for example to get you up to warp speed on an onramp it's a little overkill since once you get into 3rd you can happily wind it all the way into the power band and so get well fast enough to enter any freeway at speed.

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I still haven't figured out why I'd use it and why they even put it on. Tried it once for a novelty and forgot about it. Next time I use my RT in a Moto GP I'll try it.
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I have shift assist on my '15RT but rarely use it unless of course I'm bored and looking for a tech hit.
My first RT was a 2004 with the agricultural gearbox. I remember reading threads about how to get a smooth gear change esp 1 - 2 and 2 - 3. Something to do with pre-loading if I remember correctly. After much practice I got pretty good. This skill came into its own when carrying a pillion. The aim was to keep the number of helmet clashes as low as possible.
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When I purchased my 2015 used from my local dealer with 9K miles, I checked the buy sheet to see exactly what accessories were included in the build. Mine came with SAP. I tried using it but it didnít seem to function like I had read it should. Some people talked about pre-loading the shifter and I tried that. Apparently I started to blip the throttle without really trying and it started to shift without using the clutch. When I described my success to my friends at the dealership, they said thatís not the way itís supposed to function. They had me bring it in and found it wasnít working. The replaced it under warranty and I use it now occasionally, mostly up shifting into 4th, 5th, and 6th. It works very smoothly but I doubt Iíd spend $1K to have it added. The bike functions so great without it in my opinion.

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It is super fun for WOT runs but other then that could care less about it.

I forget about it and always go for the clutch anyway.

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Hey, I have a 2017 RT with no Shift Assist Pro and have been contemplating getting it installed. Went to the dealer and quoted me 980$ (Canadian) including labor. Wondering if there are anybody who had it installed and are happy they did or it's not worth the money. I definitely regret not adding it when I ordered the bike.
I have it on my 2014....it was a learning curve for me at first...because I had never had such a thing and was pretty good at shifting bikes without a clutch through upper gears anyway...so not smooth at all...due to me trying to help it do what it will do if you let it....but now it's habit and fun weather blasting through twisties or just puttering around...and smooth as silk up and down....I would think the clutch would last indefinitely with this feature...so myself I really like having it....and I am happy I got the option when I bought the bike....
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Would the shift assist system save on clutch wear, hence, service down the road?


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I do not particularly care to use it shifting up through the gears but really like using it for downshifting when coming to a stop.

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Would the shift assist system save on clutch wear, hence, service down the road?
I don't think clutch wear is relevant when we talk about the 'window' that the SAP would be operating in. Most clutch wear is caused on take off or filtering through traffic when the clutch is being feathered. During normal gear changes the amount of wear is negligible. Besides, when was the last time you heard of a wet clutch needing replacing. If my old Oilhead lasted to over 130000 miles before I got rid of the bike and at that point, the clutch was fine. I would be surprised if many of us will keep our Wethead's to that mileage.

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Hey, I have a 2017 RT with no Shift Assist Pro and have been contemplating getting it installed. Went to the dealer and quoted me 980$ (Canadian) including labor. Wondering if there are anybody who had it installed and are happy they did or it's not worth the money. I definitely regret not adding it when I ordered the bike.
Electronic shifting devices have been around for a very long time. I would look around and find an aftermarket kit. The BMW version is not anything special.

The only use I find of it is when merging onto the interstate where there is a lot of traffic and acceleration is key. Even then, I wouldn't use it below 3rd gear. I still downshift while using the clutch.

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Hey, I have a 2017 RT with no Shift Assist Pro and have been contemplating getting it installed. Went to the dealer and quoted me 980$ (Canadian) including labor. Wondering if there are anybody who had it installed and are happy they did or it's not worth the money. I definitely regret not adding it when I ordered the bike.
I have it on my 18 GTL. I have 19k miles on the bike and probably used SA a couple dozen times. I would not pay a $1000 CND for it. My question for you is what are you expecting SA to do for you on a normal ride? If shift without using the clutch lever is your goal check out the Honda Gold Wing with the DCT transmission. When I have used SA it's been for up shifting in a hurry. I find it way to foreign to my liking on down shifting as you have to completely close the throttle before the the down shift.
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In my opinion, I thought a grand was fairly cheap to retro-fit a gear shift assist.

My clutchless 2018 shifts a lot smoother than the 2017. If they put a 2018 system in there I would do it.

When I first got a clutchless I said to myself: "I never use this gadget, I will remain a clutch using old-schooler"...I think that mentality lasted about 2 weeks before I forgot where the clutch was.

But I am still waiting for the techno-rebel who will install a suicide clutch on an RT. If you wanna go 'old-school' there's an idear!!
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I use my Shift Assist Pro most of the time from 2nd gear all the way up and back down again. I'm glad my bike has it. That being said, I don't know if I'd pay $1000 to add it to a bike that didn't already have it.

I'd suggest that you ride a bike that has it already and determine if the $1000 is worth it to you.

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After initially posting, I saw that it was $980 Candadian. That's $727.45 USD. I might actually pay that for as much as I use it...
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My 16 RT has it. I use it once in a while. I like learning shift manually without a clunk . If I could save several hundred bucks and have gotten without I would be for it. the extra effort to upshift is wearing a hole in my riding boot.

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My 16 RT has it. I use it once in a while. I like learning shift manually without a clunk . If I could save several hundred bucks and have gotten without I would be for it. the extra effort to upshift is wearing a hole in my riding boot.

...just an idea

I had same (shift-hole-on-boot) on one of my favorite boots. I took it to a shoe-repair dude in my neck of the woods and he put a patch of leather on top of where the shifter-mark was, and it lasted me till the shoe itself fell apart...though I tell ya: its hard to find them o' shoe-repair joints nowadays. Nobody repairs their shoes anymore.

...nother idea: I usually buy very comfortable work boots at Sears with plastic safety toes that serve well as motorcycle boots. They are much cheaper than motorcycle brand boots and work just as well.

My last pair is a waterproof Bates boot from the internet. They sort of like military boots; again, cheaper than motorcycle brands and wider in size also. Most of them EU made motorcycle boots are too narrow....I don't know about them Europeans narrow feet, don't they walk bare-footed when they are kids?
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Shift Pro is one of the best product idea's around. After the dealer cleared out the memory and reset it I am really enjoying shifting. The down shifting is very smooth in aggressive riding. Up shifting isn't quite as smooth, but is a lot faster without the clutch. I wish they made it on my dirt bikes years ago. This is a better feature than the Hill Start Pro. I do use the Hill Start Pro on some hills but not as I would expect it to be used. I would think you could just drop the clutch and go up the hill but it drags the engine down to almost a stall out situation. My 2017 came with all the components, but I don't think I would pay an extra grand for it.

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My 2018 RT came with it and I find myself using it to downshift quite frequently. I feel like that’s where it really shines.

Also upshifting while riding two up is a nice perk and prevents lurching and helmet clanging.

Could you rev-match your own downshifts? Absolutely. It’s certainly a luxury, not necessity, and like many have said, I probably wouldn’t pay close to a grand to add it to my bike, but I do like it and do use it.
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I bought my used 2016 RT1200 with shift pro installed. Iíve been using a clutch for 40 years and itís just second nature. Doesnít seem to work that great in lower gears. Spend the money on farkle🤑. Too bad you canít get central locking after delivery, Iím jealous every time my buddy just pushes the button and walks away.
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Shift assist pro on my bike is not very smooth unless you are under acceleration, the harder the acceleration the smoother it works. For your normal, everyday, garden variety shifts, I can shift far smoother than shift assist pro, especially in the lower gears. As others have noted, it works better for downshifting than upshifting.

If you just feel too lazy to pull in the clutch all the time, or you always ride like you stole it (hard acceleration under high RPM) then it might be worth the upgrade. I don't think you'll get $1K benefit from normal, everyday riding.
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Shift assist pro on my bike is not very smooth unless you are under acceleration, the harder the acceleration the smoother it works.

But that is exactly what shift assist is for.
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I use it ALL the time.
On my own or with a passenger.
Up and down...Ö...it transforms the bike...Ö..so much fun !
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At first I was a bit leary of the SAP until I read the manual (duh) and learned how to use it properly. I still use the clutch from 1st to 2nd, but from then on it's SAP for upshifting while accelerating. The down shifting is even better, as long as you are totally off the throttle.

Is it worth a grand to have it added? Depends on if you think you'd use it I guess.

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I found that I don't have to be off the throttle to down shift like I heard other people say.

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