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What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT
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I might agree with you here, but how much higher do you have to sit now? I been told by Russell it 'll be an inch and half to 2 lift on this comfy configuration. That is unacceptable to me. I 'll be tip-toeing.
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Part of making a seat comfortable for LONG rides is surface area. Russell Day-Long seats have the most "surface area" of any aftermarket seat for the RT. 1 to 1 1/2" taller? When sitting on it that might be true. When putting your feet down, not quite so much. They can build the front half more narrow, allowing you to slide forward when you stop and put your legs down. Height is important, but the width of the seat means just as much. Making the front more narrow allows your legs to be more vertical. Learning the habit to slide forward at stops becomes second nature. These seats are not that much taller when you learn how to use them.

I would rather be on tip toes for the 1/2% of the time I am riding than putting up with a sore butt!

I tried several different brands of off the shelf aftermarket seats, along with "custom" seats on my old RT. Nothing was in the same league as the Russell. Put one on the new RT first thing and have not had ANY desire to even try something else!
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Set the R1200RTW's seat in the LOW position.

I started out that way, but after the seat was broken in I switched the RT to the high position.
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I have Sargent seats on my ‘06 RT and ‘07 K1200GT (and on previous bikes) and can ride all day without discomfort in my butt. I’ve done 600+ mile days stopping only for gas, lunch, bathroom, and not having to stop for butt relief.

Many good seats are available, Sargent is jut my preference.

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Here is my report on seats, I asked the questions about seat in case I had missed something new that might have come out for the RT/s since my last one.

I had a Sargent on an 09 RT and it was good

I had another sargent on a 2014 and it allowed a lot of vibration up through the frame to my butt at slab speeds. Did not like it.

The problem with the RDL is altered height, if you don't mind that they are probably, at least, one of the best seats. Even if you get used to the tip-toeing, your riding position is higher and that effects aerodynamics as well as leaning over into the bar even more.

I have had disastrous seat experiences with Corbin, the Meyer brothers (both), and ultimate.

The best seat maker I found 'so far' is Seth Laam. I have had 3 seat shaped by him in three different bike and they were about as good as a seat can be made without having to raise it. If you have to add two inches worth of material/spring to a seat to make it comfortable, that ain't no accomplishment. I can stuff a pillow under a seat and make it more comfortable. A good seat maker can shape a seat well enough to make it comfortable for you--particularly.
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The best seat maker I found 'so far' is Seth Laam. I have had 3 seat shaped by him in three different bike and they were about as good as a seat can be made without having to raise it. If you have to add two inches worth of material/spring to a seat to make it comfortable, that ain't no accomplishment. I can stuff a pillow under a seat and make it more comfortable. A good seat maker can shape a seat well enough to make it comfortable for you--particularly.
Well, it sounds like you have asked a question only to promote the answer you wanted to hear. You have found Seth Laam seats to be good enough for you. So, why bash the industry leader? It appears you have never owned a Russell.

As for adding two inches of material or springs to seat to make it comfortable, that is a gross exaggeration. If referring to Russell seats, and I assume that is your subject as they are the only ones to add springs. Yes, you will sit taller. But not two inches. Accomplishment? Well, just observe the start of any Iron Butt rally and count the Russell seats. Then, if you have time, count the other brands.
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Well, it sounds like you have asked a question only to promote the answer you wanted to hear. You have found Seth Laam seats to be good enough for you. So, why bash the industry leader? It appears you have never owned a Russell.

As for adding two inches of material or springs to seat to make it comfortable, that is a gross exaggeration. If referring to Russell seats, and I assume that is your subject as they are the only ones to add springs. Yes, you will sit taller. But not two inches. Accomplishment? Well, just observe the start of any Iron Butt rally and count the Russell seats. Then, if you have time, count the other brands.
I am not bashing anyone sir, I do agree that RDL is at least one of the best seats if the height is acceptable to you.

The 1.5--2 inch raise in height was quoted to me two years ago by RDL's customer service who answered the phone. I should double check on that per your inference to make sure they might have figured out something different.

I did not post to hear my own answer. I would appreciate if you recant that judgement. As I stated, I posted in case there might have been something that came in the market which I have not heard of since my last RT.

If in anyway I might have implied any derogatory remark toward any of your favorite seats, I do apologize. Not my intention at all.

And would guess and hope, that my own idiosyncrasies with maintaining the OEM seat height did not infringe on your sentiments regarding the RDL.

I wish there was a way to make a seat as comfortable as the RDL without raising the seat height; apparently, that is option is not in the market still.
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I think the 1.5 - 2" is an exaggeration, it's 1 - 1.5", ask me how I know. When I put my new seat on last spring, after getting the bike out of storage, I scared the hell out of myself when I found I was on the tips of my toes. I called Russel, they said it will relax a bit, and it has, but if not happy to send it back and they would adjust. The seat solved my leg pain problem and I'm happy with it. I'm doing more "one footin" now, and have gotten used to it. No difference in aerodynamics found due to this slight difference.
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In my experience with a RDL on my RTW (and an FJR before that) it isn't so much a change in height of the seat that causes problems at a stop - for me it was the fact that the seat is a bit wider in front. It was fairly easy to learn to slide forward a bit when stopping to allow better foot contact on the ground.

On my FJR I did a ride-in appointment and they were able to make adjustments to the front of the seat while building it to address the issue.

I'm not sure it is any higher while settled in for the long haul. I haven't measured it, but also haven't sat there thinking about how much higher I was seated either. In fact, I really didn't think about the seat at all...which is kind of the desired outcome I suppose.
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In my experience with a RDL on my RTW (and an FJR before that) it isn't so much a change in height of the seat that causes problems at a stop - for me it was the fact that the seat is a bit wider in front. It was fairly easy to learn to slide forward a bit when stopping to allow better foot contact on the ground.

On my FJR I did a ride-in appointment and they were able to make adjustments to the front of the seat while building it to address the issue.

I'm not sure it is any higher while settled in for the long haul. I haven't measured it, but also haven't sat there thinking about how much higher I was seated either. In fact, I really didn't think about the seat at all...which is kind of the desired outcome I suppose.
Good post

Indeed not even noticing the seat is indicative of sitting-comfort-excellence.

My problem is that I ride in a very crowded metro for 9 months out of the year, and the tip-toeing around lights, cars and stop signs is not good for me.

I am also an old fart and I come from days when riders would sit 'inside' a bike (ala chopper) and these sitting up 'on-top' of the bike has been an adjustment for me. One RT I bought with an OEM low seat and ough ouch!!! by the time I was half way down the West coast from WA my rear-buttso was numb. I scrambled into a cycle gear for a jelly-pad with which I barely made it to Diego without losing my nalgas along the way..

I may try the RDL again if they can do something for me on the height.I like to learn that slide forward trick. Thank for your post
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Good post

One RT I bought with an OEM low seat and ough ouch!!! by the time I was half way down the West coast from WA my rear-buttso was numb. I scrambled into a cycle gear for a jelly-pad with which I barely made it to Diego without losing my nalgas along the way..
IMHO BMW's stock seats are terrible. I have owned only one BMW in 52 years that had a comfortable stock seat -- the K1200LT. All the rest have had to be replaced by aftermarket saddles. I heard that one rider asked a BMW rep why BMW doesn't sell comfortable stock seats on its bikes. His response was that they don't look nice. My current saddle on my R1200RTW is an RDL. It is comfortable. Could BMW offer comfortable stock seats? Of course it could. But don't expect one any time soon -- if ever.

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In respect to all that have responded, am glad you have found what you need! Is not an easy task, and no
other rider can tell you what will work for you! If you have ever had the chance to sit on the bike with
wet shorts, will notice a limited area that actually is wet! A seat does not have to be so large to be comfortable.
And the wider, the les comfortable for the inseam challenged riders. The material that the cover is made of makes a huge difference.
A soft leather is great, yet requires attention and maintenance. The foam density is also a major factor. A layer of gel makes a huge difference. Airhawk works great for me. Ad a covering of sheepskin and it makes it even better. To bad you have to worry about removing them when parked. They tend to walk away when are not under supervision! In my case, am trying out my modified extra low seat with a gel sheet under the cover, and soft lather.
Am still expecting to use the Alaskan sheepskin cover on the long runs, https://alaskaleather.com/collection...pskin-buttpads
makes a pleasant difference. Cool when summer hot, warm when off season is here.

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I’m in the same boat (or bike) as you. I bought a OEM Low with my new RTW, what a poor comfort wise for me, 31” inseam. After 1500 butt-burning miles. I installed the OEM regular height seat and even though I can’t plant both seat, I sat in a much better position anyway with the regular height. But IMO the stock seat after 500 miles is a torture rack absolutely.

RDL is a great seat, and maybe it could it could work for me, IF it was built narrow in the front, as everyone’s previous thoughts are very valid here bout his seats. I have a couple of friends that have his seats and they love ‘em.

But Seth Lamm is also an excellent seat builder, and he’s 100 miles away from me. Some of his recent seats on his Facebook page for the RTW bikes look damn nice.

One of these two builders will get my $$$.$$ very soon
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I did not post to hear my own answer. I would appreciate if you recant that judgement. As I stated, I posted in case there might have been something that came in the market which I have not heard of since my last RT.

If in anyway I might have implied any derogatory remark toward any of your favorite seats, I do apologize. Not my intention at all.

And would guess and hope, that my own idiosyncrasies with maintaining the OEM seat height did not infringe on your sentiments regarding the RDL.

I wish there was a way to make a seat as comfortable as the RDL without raising the seat height; apparently, that is option is not in the market still.
I am sorry I seemed to offend you. I will stick to what I wrote as I think it was true, maybe a bit crude or blunt. When you start a thread with "What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT", and then write "Seth Laam seats are the best I have found" that opens one up for a discussion.

My interpretation of this thread is one that I have seen before. It is exceedingly rare for a Russell seat customer to ever mention wanting to try another brand/seat maker. Yes there are those that do not like a Russell, but they are very few. Yet, over the years, I cannot count how many threads I read about owners buying ( insert brand/maker here ) seats and then adding sheepskins, airhawks, gel pads, and so on trying to get them comfortable. In my mind this thread was about someone wanting to see if there is something better than what they have now.

I do understand that height can be a hurdle to some. And if you think you simply cannot live with that, and don't want to spend the money in case it simply cannot be overcome, I get that.

I hope I can buy you some lunch or favorite beverage when we meet up some day!


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I am sorry I seemed to offend you. I will stick to what I wrote as I think it was true, maybe a bit crude or blunt. When you start a thread with "What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT", and then write "Seth Laam seats are the best I have found" that opens one up for a discussion.

My interpretation of this thread is one that I have seen before. It is exceedingly rare for a Russell seat customer to ever mention wanting to try another brand/seat maker. Yes there are those that do not like a Russell, but they are very few. Yet, over the years, I cannot count how many threads I read about owners buying ( insert brand/maker here ) seats and then adding sheepskins, airhawks, gel pads, and so on trying to get them comfortable. In my mind this thread was about someone wanting to see if there is something better than what they have now.

I do understand that height can be a hurdle to some. And if you think you simply cannot live with that, and don't want to spend the money in case it simply cannot be overcome, I get that.

I hope I can buy you some lunch or favorite beverage when we meet up some day!



Well certainly forum writing can lead to erroneous inferences in semantics. I thought I clearly expressed my intention. You may want to re-read your quoting me incorrectly, I said: "Seth Laam was the best seat maker I found SO FAR"; supporting my inquiry for any seat for the RT that I might have missed during my BMW absence. Apparently, you missed-quoted me there because that part is missing in your justification for being rude and blunt.

I do look forward to meeting you indeed. When I am that way, I ride mostly through the lower part of the East as my daughter lives in Brooklyn where I hang out for a bit during Summers. If I ride up to MO one of these days, I will drop you a pm and take you up on a good Missourrian cup of coffee. I can handle blunt and rude and I like to argue, I think inherit that from my daughter. So I am totally cool with you brother. No hard feeling at all.
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Funny you should write about how things are perceived or taken on forums.

You obviously are looking forward to a cup of the best coffee you have ever had at my humble estate. However, it is about 800 miles to get into Missouri from here in Texas where I live. Not a bit above meeting there sometime, as I simply love to go to Cotter, Arkansas occasionally.

Since "Missouri City" is a suburb on the Southwest side of Houston, Texas, you can see how things can easily get discombobulated when reading forums!


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Funny you should write about how things are perceived or taken on forums.

You obviously are looking forward to a cup of the best coffee you have ever had at my humble estate. However, it is about 800 miles to get into Missouri from here in Texas where I live. Not a bit above meeting there sometime, as I simply love to go to Cotter, Arkansas occasionally.

Since "Missouri City" is a suburb on the Southwest side of Houston, Texas, you can see how things can easily get discombobulated when reading forums!
Hahahahahhaaa. That is really hilarious.

Well you can count on that cup of Texan coffee soon enough then, cause I travel through San Antonio and Dallas every Summer. I do consider myself a resident and member of the Citizens Republic of Texas. Though I don't live there anymore.

This Summer I might stop in Houston to get a Klock Werks 'Quiet Ride' shield from them guys, so save your money: I usually drink two cups at a time.
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Klock Werks is a whole different company. They don't make Quiet Ride windshields. They make Harley/Cruiser stuff.

WERKS Parts makes Quiet Rides for your RT. That is me. So let me know when you are ready for one!


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Klock Werks is a whole different company. They don't make Quiet Ride windshields. They make Harley/Cruiser stuff.

WERKS Parts makes Quiet Rides for your RT. That is me. So let me know when you are ready for one!

I stand corrected on that one. Must be one of them dyslexia-forum readings. For some reason (I guess due to the word Werks) I thought they were the same company.

At any rate, I am gonna pass through Houston to see Terry in Werks Parts. I 'll see ya then lest the Lord calls me to ride upstairs.
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IMHO BMW's stock seats are terrible...
I don't completely agree with that sentiment. I think that BMW motorcycle seats are fine for short trips. If all I was ever going to do is take trips of one hour or less duration, I would be very happy with the BMW stock seat.

I found the problem to occur with longer rides. My first BMW was an 88 R100GS. I went on a 5 hour ride shortly after getting that bike (about 2.5 hours out and same back). It is a good thing that one can ride a GS standing up as that is what I was doing most of the way back. I found this to be basically true for every BMW that I've owned since.

Until recently, the last new bike that I purchased was a 94 R11RS. I got a new Corbin seat for that bike. All other bikes purchased used, either came with a Corbin seat or I found a used Corbin. For me the Corbin seats are quite comfortable.

However, when my 93 R100GS/PD's Corbin seat needed to be recovered, Corbin was not interested. Sargent quoted me a price. I found the returned seat to be very well done and still comfortable. A bonus was the end cost was a bit less than quoted and the turnaround time was shorter than estimated.

For my new RTW, I purchased a new Sargent seat. I have just obtained it and expect to find it to be very comfortable, but it will take a long ride to find out for certain. I do like not having to surrender my stock seat. But if the Sargent seat is not up to my (or the wife's) expectations, then I will look into a RDL.
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I never miss a chance to spam my seats again. I have a set of Sargent World Sport Performance low seats that i'd love to sell. They do not have heat. They were used for the three months that i was on the waiting list for my RDL. These Sargent seats are in perfect condition. Please message me with your email and i will send pics. I'm looking for $400 shipped. Remember that is for a front AND rear in perfect condition. Reasonable enough to try, in my humble, biased opinion. The seats fit water cooled RT's.
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I don't completely agree with that sentiment. I think that BMW motorcycle seats are fine for short trips. If all I was ever going to do is take trips of one hour or less duration, I would be very happy with the BMW stock seat.

I found the problem to occur with longer rides. My first BMW was an 88 R100GS. I went on a 5 hour ride shortly after getting that bike (about 2.5 hours out and same back). It is a good thing that one can ride a GS standing up as that is what I was doing most of the way back. I found this to be basically true for every BMW that I've owned since.

Until recently, the last new bike that I purchased was a 94 R11RS. I got a new Corbin seat for that bike. All other bikes purchased used, either came with a Corbin seat or I found a used Corbin. For me the Corbin seats are quite comfortable.

However, when my 93 R100GS/PD's Corbin seat needed to be recovered, Corbin was not interested. Sargent quoted me a price. I found the returned seat to be very well done and still comfortable. A bonus was the end cost was a bit less than quoted and the turnaround time was shorter than estimated.

For my new RTW, I purchased a new Sargent seat. I have just obtained it and expect to find it to be very comfortable, but it will take a long ride to find out for certain. I do like not having to surrender my stock seat. But if the Sargent seat is not up to my (or the wife's) expectations, then I will look into a RDL.
IMHO, you may not completely agree but most likely 75% of the folks here believe the BMW-RTW OEM seats are just something to hold a rider on their new bike until they buy a new seat.

1 to 2 hour rides are not what most complain about. They’re complaining about a 300-600 mile daily ride and many in a row. One of my “break-in” rides last year from Oregon well into California I was just about crying at the end of my ride from the OEM seat, trying to stand up to get my weight off the OEM seat.

I had a long trip scheduled a week later so I rolled the dice and bought a few pair of Moto-Skiveez underwear. THANK GOD!! Those underwear saved my goodies but buying $65.00 a pair underwear is NOT the answer for me for a crap seat. But now prepping my gear and bike for the spring I’m going to buy a new seat, and the RDL is one that is on the top of the list for me.

Sidebar; Having one of the best sport-tourers made and one of the most expensive one should not just about break down in tears on a 650 mile day because of a simple seat, or maybe I’m just a tender arse.....
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Having one of the best sport-tourers made and one of the most expensive one should not just about break down in tears on a 650 mile day because of a simple seat, or maybe I’m just a tender arse.....
Quite right.
Indeed people CAN tolerate the seat, but they shouldn't have to. It's a tourer for goodness sake. We shouldn't even begin to be talking about seats. That aspect of a £17000 touring bike should be PERFECT.
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IMHO, you may not completely agree but most likely 75% of the folks here believe the BMW-RTW OEM seats are just something to hold a rider on their new bike until they buy a new seat.

1 to 2 hour rides are not what most complain about. They’re complaining about a 300-600 mile daily ride and many in a row. One of my “break-in” rides last year from Oregon well into California I was just about crying at the end of my ride from the OEM seat, trying to stand up to get my weight off the OEM seat.

I had a long trip scheduled a week later so I rolled the dice and bought a few pair of Moto-Skiveez underwear. THANK GOD!! Those underwear saved my goodies but buying $65.00 a pair underwear is NOT the answer for me for a crap seat. But now prepping my gear and bike for the spring I’m going to buy a new seat, and the RDL is one that is on the top of the list for me.

Sidebar; Having one of the best sport-tourers made and one of the most expensive one should not just about break down in tears on a 650 mile day because of a simple seat, or maybe I’m just a tender arse.....


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What is the best seat for loooong touring on an RT


i'm prob a minority, but the stock seat worked perfect for my 17-18 day Detroit to Alaska and back trip. i did use the beads for the seat, not sure if they did anything or not. Stock seat will stay as long as i own the bike, i find comfortable on long days (15-18hr / 1k miles+ days)


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Ah, but it's not a "simple seat", it's simply a seat that sucks.
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Ah, but it's not a "simple seat", it's simply a seat that sucks.[/QUOTE]





I think this is one of the perpetual problems with manufacturers. They market products for mass acceptance. In the case of RT (and other motorcycle seats as well), many riders end up complaining about the bad ergonomic of seats. Well these seats have been design to make the motorcycle pleasing to the eye, flow with the motorcycle visual lines in order to motivate sales but void of ergonomic considerations.

BMW is not interested in making comfortable seats, otherwise they would. They are more interested in the image impact that would motivate a sale of the bike.

Thats what aftermarket seat makers live off of.
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when i buy a new bike, there are a few things that i know i will have to do - seat, aux lights, usually (but not always) windscreen, and aux fuel. i don't get upset, because the manufacturer isn't building a custom bike for me. it would be nice if they offered the items i look for as factory options, but branding them BMW items would probably cost me more and i barely trust anyone except myself to install the items that i want properly, like i would install them anyway. i enjoy setting up a bike perfectcly for myself for long distance riding, and aftermarket seats are the only way to do that (in my opinion).
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IMHO, you may not completely agree but most likely 75% of the folks here believe the BMW-RTW OEM seats are just something to hold a rider on their new bike until they buy a new seat.

1 to 2 hour rides are not what most complain about. They’re complaining about a 300-600 mile daily ride and many in a row. One of my “break-in” rides last year from Oregon well into California I was just about crying at the end of my ride from the OEM seat, trying to stand up to get my weight off the OEM seat.
I'm amazed by this sentiment because I can't relate to it in the slightest from personal experience. Admittedly the OEM seat on my '16 RT is somewhat crude, without nice contouring like something like an RDL or Seth Lamm, but for the life of me this description, 'I was just about crying at the end of my ride from the OEM seat' is just plain foreign to me, thankfully. Since I am 65 y/o, have a bony butt w/ little padding, have had diabetes for over 30 years and have my share of aches and pains, I would have guessed I should be the guy who gets uncomfortable quickly, but not so. I have to this point chalked it up to getting off the bike to stretch, move, walk around a bit, around every 1.5-2h of riding. Most of these stops are for food, fuel, or what have you, and the exercise/stretch/move piece is added just to prevent getting uncomfortable on the bike from sitting in one position long which is bad for you anyway! Maybe because the seat starts to get to me around that 1.5-2h mark I've just assumed that's the way it always is, and that it does't have to be. But again, you have to get off the bike anyway for fuel, food, etc. I bought my RTW in 2016 and rather immediately did a 9,167 mile trip x-country and up into Canada on that seat and never thought about it once. I guess I'm just fortunate not to know what i'm missing

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I'm amazed by this sentiment because I can't relate to it in the slightest from personal experience. Admittedly the OEM seat on my '16 RT is somewhat crude, without nice contouring like something like an RDL or Seth Lamm, but for the life of me this description, 'I was just about crying at the end of my ride from the OEM seat' is just plain foreign to me, thankfully. Since I am 65 y/o, have a bony butt w/ little padding, have had diabetes for over 30 years and have my share of aches and pains, I would have guessed I should be the guy who gets uncomfortable quickly, but not so. I have to this point chalked it up to getting off the bike to stretch, move, walk around a bit, around every 1.5-2h of riding. Most of these stops are for food, fuel, or what have you, and the exercise/stretch/move piece is added just to prevent getting uncomfortable on the bike from sitting in one position long which is bad for you anyway! Maybe because the seat starts to get to me around that 1.5-2h mark I've just assumed that's the way it always is, and that it does't have to be. But again, you have to get off the bike anyway for fuel, food, etc. I bought my RTW in 2016 and rather immediately did a 9,167 mile trip x-country and up into Canada on that seat and never thought about it once. I guess I'm just fortunate not to know what i'm missing


Maybe you are more skinny and the draft from the wind coming around the windshield lifts you up such that you are not really sitting on the seat, but sort of just floating above it. could that be it?

Or maybe you are a natural iron-butt type of guy. You don't need to do 1k mi to prove it.

Maybe those of us complaining about the comfort of the OEM seat could be characterized as 'marshmallow-butts'. Maybe people who worked as desks all their lives have more buttes-callouses than others who have professions that makes them walk or stand more often than sit.

I am sure there is an answer for the mystery of why the OEM seats do not bother some folks. I am willing to do the research on that if I could get about a million dollar grant from somewhere.

What do you think the odds are for BMW spending research money on the ergonomics of an RT seat? ...would 'zero' sound about right?
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when i buy a new bike, there are a few things that i know i will have to do - seat, aux lights, usually (but not always) windscreen, and aux fuel. i don't get upset, because the manufacturer isn't building a custom bike for me. it would be nice if they offered the items i look for as factory options, but branding them BMW items would probably cost me more and i barely trust anyone except myself to install the items that i want properly, like i would install them anyway. i enjoy setting up a bike perfectcly for myself for long distance riding, and aftermarket seats are the only way to do that (in my opinion).
You are a complaint consumer. You are happy with the marketing aims of Corp manufacturing. That's what they want to hear. Its a goal for consumerism trends.
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when i buy a new bike, there are a few things that i know i will have to do - seat, aux lights, usually (but not always) windscreen, and aux fuel. i don't get upset, because the manufacturer isn't building a custom bike for me....
Well, that shouldn't be the case!
The lights SHOULD be good
The seat should be good for a higher percentile of riders than it is. Sure it suits some, but that is not as many as it should!

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I have a question for 14-18 rt owners that have actually put Sargent seats on their wc bikes.

How well do the seat pans and seat actually fit the contours of the bike around the tank, sides, and rear of the seat. I've read posts that infer poor and "sloppy" fit but people aren't specific about which seat and which year their rt is.

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I have a question for 14-18 rt owners that have actually put Sargent seats on their wc bikes.

How well do the seat pans and seat actually fit the contours of the bike around the tank, sides, and rear of the seat. I've read posts that infer poor and "sloppy" fit but people aren't specific about which seat and which year their rt is.

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On my '14 R1200RT, the Sargent Low heated rider seat does not fit as snug as the OEM regular seat - there is some side to side and rocking action. Not horrible, nor have I noticed it when riding but you can definitely move it without much effort when I am off the bike. I will probably email them at some point to get some suggestions on how to remedy. Haven't been riding much due to the weather so it hasn't been a priority. I haven't fitted the matching pillion yet - again, waiting for better weather.

This might be why most other seat manufs insist on using the OEM seat pan - potential can of worms with seat fitting and BUTT fitting.

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I wonder if Sargent will sell a seat pan by itself, just the pan mam!
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Am I missing your point? My guess would be that any fit issues would be because of their pan.

Has anyone had Sargent build them a seat on your stock seat pan?
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On my '14 R1200RT, the Sargent Low heated rider seat does not fit as snug as the OEM regular seat - there is some side to side and rocking action. Not horrible, nor have I noticed it when riding but you can definitely move it without much effort when I am off the bike. I will probably email them at some point to get some suggestions on how to remedy. Haven't been riding much due to the weather so it hasn't been a priority. I haven't fitted the matching pillion yet - again, waiting for better weather.

This might be why most other seat manufs insist on using the OEM seat pan - potential can of worms with seat fitting and BUTT fitting.

The '13 F800GT that I had before the R1200RT had a Sargent on it when I bought it and the fit on the bike was horrible - so bad that I had to remove it.

Thanks Will. So, my next question for everyone is: Did Will just get a couple of bad fitting seats...OR...is crappy fit typical of Sargent seats?

I think everyone would really appreciate some actual feedback from folks who have actually put Sargent seats on their WC's......thanks and hopefully we'll get some more feedback over the next few days.
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I was thinking in terms of: if someone wanted to have a seat build by an aftermarketeer other than Sargent, the seat pan appears to be a bit wider than the stock thus, more space for a seat-builder to work with.

I thing the Sargent seat pan has a compartment for small tools that the OEM does not, if I recall correctly
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I was thinking in terms of: if someone wanted to have a seat build by an aftermarketeer other than Sargent, the seat pan appears to be a bit wider than the stock thus, more space for a seat-builder to work with.

I thing the Sargent seat pan has a compartment for small tool that the OEM does not, if I recall correctly
Thanks Wethead, that makes sense and would be a good option for me....except I've got to know that it's going to fit right before I would consider doing that....and I don't know, but would not be surprised if another seat maker might do it, but say upfront that there will be no guarantee or return of a seat they build on someone else's pan. That could be an expensive and time consuming "misadventure".

Perhaps the BMW "comfort seat" is the way for me to go. I've got to do something and have ruled out RDL after talking to them about my height, weight and inseam. 5'10", 178 pounds, 30 inch inseam. i definitely got the impression they couldn't help me.
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Am I missing your point? My guess would be that any fit issues would be because of their pan.

Has anyone had Sargent build them a seat on your stock seat pan?
I had Sargent rework my seat for my '96 Triumph Trophy (long gone now). I called them to discuss my options, then sent my seat to them for rework. They Turndid a great job (IMO), doing exactly what I asked. That said, they absolutely refused to make any suggestions, other than suggesting a stiffer foam (since I was reducing the height of the saddle). I put over 60k miles on that saddle, w/o issues w/comfort or build.

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A seat for every butt.

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Had a friend who has a new Sargent he let me try. 150 miles and my sit bones hurt for two days! Not gonna work and a shame as at 300 bucks it was a deal.

Not wanting a RDL even though I have ran one for 11 years, I did not want the height on a Low GS.

I been using the Danny Gray IST/AirHawk Low seat for the last 450 miles and think it is going to be fine. I am still working with the amount of air to fill it with but it is seems my butt likes it fuller then they recommend. I think we will get close to 250-300 miles today so will be a good test for a bit of distance.

It takes a bit of time for any seat to break in or is it your butt breaking in?

If you have the legs there is NO substitute for a RDL, none! It is just a high seat no two ways around it. I tried Corbin on a 2003 Sportster and it was one of the most comfortable seat I had ridden.

I tried a Corbin on my LT and hated it.

Seems different bikes, the way you sit them, and a manufacturer may fit nice on one bike but not another. Would be nice if they had a ride and try. Bare bones shipping cost to you with a deposit and a 30 day trial would be nice for sure. Probable impossible to do but it would help you find a good fit for butt, and the bike you are on.

I can not say at this point the Danny Gray IST/AirHawk is the best but I can say it is better then a Sargent for me.

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Seems RDL tends to be cautious when talking with owners about height. I call my inseam 31, but is probably not quite that if measured correctly. I buy 32" jeans and the are on the ground.

My current Russell was built "for maximum comfort". Meaning I told them to not spare height for comfort. It is for sure comfortable and for sure it was a lot taller than the stock seat. But, I can slip forward and flat foot at a stop. I run the low setting around locally, put the seat on the high setting on trips. I can still flat foot it on the high setting albeit with more effort.

If they spared just a bit of height, I don't see why you couldn't flat foot with a 30" inseam.

Even if I could not "flat foot", I would ride a Russell seat. The difference in comfort is worth it. There are many riders that cannot flat foot their bikes at all. I get that it gives confidence. But, in my mind, your feet are only down for a small percentage of riding time!
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I wish we could get Russell Day Long's and Seth Lamm seats in the UK.
I think I'd be up for one. But getting it across from the 'States is just too expensive. We can get Sargent seats, but I am not yet convinced they offer enough for the price.

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I left the stock seat on my 09' and bought a "Bead Rider" for it. It was great on long trips.
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The RDL yu sold me is golden out on the road. I adjusted to increased height for the relief to my butt !

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The beads worked great on my Gold Wing, but didn't work at all for me on the rt. The rt seat brings me forward into the tank. That combined with beads and cordura riding pants could only be described as "slippery futility" of having to push myself back every 5 minutes or less. If they work for you, they are great in the summer....but they will freeze your cods when it cools off.

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I left the stock seat on my 09' and bought a "Bead Rider" for it. It was great on long trips.
The PreWethead bike saddles all had shape to them. The Wethead is more or less flat. So beadrider or not, it is still a slab surface. The contact points of backside and saddle are therefore much more focused than on a saddle with (any) shape.

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