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post #1 of 44 Old Jan 17th, 2017, 1:57 pm Thread Starter
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HEED crash bars on my 2016RT

I started to tandem ride with my wife, she really enjoys it. so when I got the RT, I was bit worried.... I dropped my GS few times doing maneuvers, sometimes dumb things, but with no worries. but I dont wanna drop this beauty, so I decided to get some bars. I like the black color that Heed offered.... and pricing was great. installation was also easy, and I am quite sure it will do its job protecting the fairings when dropped. (can't say it would be as good as that video of Illumiworks but these bars do seems quite sturdy.) bar diameter is 25mm all around.

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price, (paid about $500 includes ship to CA, USA)
fairly quick ship from Poland,
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I think if I get too frisky on some twisties, I may scrape the front bars.... seems like it.
for sure the front bars will have to be loosened for valve adjustments, but seems easy enough, just 2 bolts on each sides on the bottom.
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I started to tandem ride with my wife, she really enjoys it. so when I got the RT, I was bit worried.... I dropped my GS few times doing maneuvers, sometimes dumb things, but with no worries. but I dont wanna drop this beauty, so I decided to get some bars. I like the black color that Heed offered.... and pricing was great. installation was also easy, and I am quite sure it will do its job protecting the fairings when dropped. (can't say it would be as good as that video of Illumiworks but these bars do seems quite sturdy.) bar diameter is 25mm all around.

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price, (paid about $500 includes ship to CA, USA)
fairly quick ship from Poland,
good quality,
easy fit.

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I think if I get too frisky on some twisties, I may scrape the front bars.... seems like it.
for sure the front bars will have to be loosened for valve adjustments, but seems easy enough, just 2 bolts on each sides on the bottom.
I Think that any engine protection is way better than have to have the engine rebuilt due to damage after a drop. I personally put the Chrome Wunderlich engine protection bars on mine and the main reason for that brand was free from the dealer after a few hassles I had with them ,so it was a peace offering lol saved me over $900.00 AUD so they were perfect lol. By the way love the colour of your bike .
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Very good choice, really looks like serious coverage. Now I hope you never need them, especially with the boss on the back.
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Re: HEED crash bars on my 2016RT

I have been looking at these for a while now for my 2017 Alpine white RT that is on order. I just ordered the front ones in black. $280 total shipped.

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Does your passenger notice the rear bars at all?

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I Think that any engine protection is way better than have to have the engine rebuilt due to damage after a drop.
That's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. I had it that it was pretty much to prevent cosmetic damage from low speed drops. If you're crashing hard enough to do internal engine damage it seems the bike would likely be considered totaled at that point. But case by case for sure.

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Query: Does anyone who has the Ilium engine crash bars for the 2014+ R1200RT know if the HEED rear bars are compatible? Certainly the price differential would make the HEED bars attractive. From the pics on the HEED and Ilium web sites it would appear that they are, but...

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That's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. I had it that it was pretty much to prevent cosmetic damage from low speed drops. If you're crashing hard enough to do internal engine damage it seems the bike would likely be considered totaled at that point. But case by case for sure.
A few years ago, I was rear-ended, at a very slow speed. The bike was thrown onto her left hand side. At that time, she did not have any cylinder protection. It caused quite extensive damage, fortunately everything was paid by the other party. I do not think I would have been able to ride her with the damage - cracked case & oil leaking!

Needless to say, during the repairs protection was added!

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A few years ago, I was rear-ended, at a very slow speed. The bike was thrown onto her left hand side. At that time, she did not have any cylinder protection. It caused quite extensive damage, fortunately everything was paid by the other party. I do not think I would have been able to ride her with the damage - cracked case & oil leaking!

Needless to say, during the repairs protection was added!
Thank you for that story. Do you recall or know what exactly 'cracked'? I'm guessing it must have only been a valve cover, but I'd be curious to know. No doubt boxer engines are much more exposed. Right now I only have the new BMW valve cover guards on so they will help some in zero speed drops, but of course the devil is in the amount and kind of forces involved. I have been paying for both Collision w/ Uninsured Motorist & Comprehensive on a new RT. When the bike is a bit older I will drop the Collision piece and maybe consider Illium guards at that point. It is tempting though to add guards now.

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Query: Does anyone who has the Ilium engine crash bars for the 2014+ R1200RT know if the HEED rear bars are compatible? Certainly the price differential would make the HEED bars attractive. From the pics on the HEED and Ilium web sites it would appear that they are, but...
I posed this question to the HEED manufacturer and this is the (rapid and cordial!) response that I received:

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Thank you for your interest in our product.
To be honest, we don't know the Ilium crash bars, but it shouldn't be a problem with using our rear crash bars with their front bars. Both products are installed in completely different places. Only thing which can't be checked is, which crash bar will earlier touch the ground Ilium front or HEED rear.

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In the event of a low speed/0 mi/hr drop would this make a difference?

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Joe - thanks for the pictures and update; I'll trust you've got your eye on the leaking water pump giving you that lovely green look on the left side of the engine case.
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I ordered a set for my 2005 R1200RT.
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fyi, for the ppl considering ordering Heed bars. I saw their product on ebay first, but I contacted Heed by googling them and asked few questions regarding fit, ship, etc... and HEED offered me discount for buying from them directly, (which was quite significant, makes sense really since ebay/paypal commission is about 15%) and it was done thru paypal so it was safe. I highly recommend that route if youre thinking of purchasing.
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I received my Heed engine bars and have nothing but positive things to say. Shipping was fast, the price to Canada was amazing ($338 including shipping) and I didn't even have to pay any additional customs fees, which was an awesome treat. Not sure why but I'll take it!
Overall the bars look great, will offer solid protection and were pretty easy to install, all at a fantastic price! Highly recommend.
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I'm adding Machine Art cylinder head guards to my 2016 RT and was considering adding rear Heed crash bars. I didn't have any guards on my 2011 Rt but thought that the extra protection makes sense. I often travel with my spouse and was wondering whether you have had a chance to travel two-up yet with the Heed rear guards and, if so, whether they interfered at all with the passengers comfort?

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For me, I am not keen on those Heed bars. Why? maintenance. Those front bars would get in the way of the rocker cover. I prefer the offerings from other manufacturers that allow freedom of access to that area,
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I received my Heed engine bars and have nothing but positive things to say. Shipping was fast, the price to Canada was amazing ($338 including shipping) and I didn't even have to pay any additional customs fees, which was an awesome treat. Not sure why but I'll take it!
Overall the bars look great, will offer solid protection and were pretty easy to install, all at a fantastic price! Highly recommend.
I am looking at these bars for my 2014 RTW and am impressed with the price. I would like Z Technic, but they are way too expensive for my budget. I am concerned, though with the service aspect. I get my service at the dealer, and if they have to remove the bars to service the bike i am expecting it would be at least 1/2 hour to 1 hour charge, which is $50.00 to $100.00 every time. It wouldn't take too long to pay the difference to get Z Technic bars. Just wondering if they definitely need to be moved to access valves etc. Also, since i am in Canada, I am hoping i could get the same deal with duty. How were they shipped, was the brokerage done by shipper? I know getting things from US, the only way to avoid brokerage and duties is via US Postal Service.


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I am looking at these bars for my 2014 RTW and am impressed with the price. I would like Z Technic, but they are way too expensive for my budget. I am concerned, though with the service aspect. I get my service at the dealer, and if they have to remove the bars to service the bike i am expecting it would be at least 1/2 hour to 1 hour charge, which is $50.00 to $100.00 every time. It wouldn't take too long to pay the difference to get Z Technic bars. Just wondering if they definitely need to be moved to access valves etc. Also, since i am in Canada, I am hoping i could get the same deal with duty. How were they shipped, was the brokerage done by shipper? I know getting things from US, the only way to avoid brokerage and duties is via US Postal Service.
Yeah, the price is excellent. I noticed they have them on ebay but they are more money. I contacted the company and they sent me a PayPal request and with euro/CAD conversion and shipping it came to $338 CAD. For Shipping they used a courier company from Poland that I have never heard of before. I was expecting to pay duty when picking it up from a Canada Post Outlet and there were no additional fees. I have ordered a few things from Europe for my Triumph and I have escaped some fees as well. The person working at Canada Post was surprised too that I didn't have to pay anything. In terms of service, I wouldn't think they would need to come off for regular oil changes, etc but I am no mechanic. They can easily come off if you require major service on your bike in future years. 4 bolts on the bottom and then 3 bolts per side, that's it.
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They cover the valve access so hinder the checking and adjusting of those, that is the biggest issue. I guess i could remove them when taking in for service if it is that simple. Did you buy front and back guards, or just the front? Thanks.


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I received my Heed engine bars and have nothing but positive things to say. Shipping was fast, the price to Canada was amazing ($338 including shipping) and I didn't even have to pay any additional customs fees, which was an awesome treat. Not sure why but I'll take it!
Overall the bars look great, will offer solid protection and were pretty easy to install, all at a fantastic price! Highly recommend.
you got front and back for that price?? is so, i got ripppeeeed.........
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you got front and back for that price?? is so, i got ripppeeeed.........
no, just the front. Never gave it much thought about the back, maybe I should have in hind site.
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no, just the front. Never gave it much thought about the back, maybe I should have in hind site.
So, the shipping etc. must have been about $90.00 Canadian. They list them at $178.00 Euros, which is about $247.00, Cdn $ at today's exchange, and you paid $338.00 Cdn. Still cheaper than other bars, but I may have to look more at others as the hassle or expense of taking them off to service valves may enter into the equation. The rear ones might save the rear carriers in the event of a tip over, but they are about the same cost as the front ones, so not sure it is worth it. Thanks for all the info.


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I started to tandem ride with my wife, she really enjoys it.
How does your wife like the pannier protection bars? Do they affect her riding comfort or interfere with her legs?

Do the support bars leading out from underneath the passenger foot peg interfere with your legs when you put your feet down or when you're walking the bike?

These seem to be robust and they look like they stick out to where the passenger wouldn't have to bend their legs over the tops of the bars but it's hard to tell from photos.

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Can anyone comment on the difficulty of install?
Does it come with clear instructions? How long does it take to do the install? Given the fact that you need to remove to maintain the bike, install time becomes quite critical.
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Can anyone comment on the difficulty of install?
Does it come with clear instructions? How long does it take to do the install? Given the fact that you need to remove to maintain the bike, install time becomes quite critical.
If it is an exact copy of the Wunderlich's design, then you don't have to completely remove the bars to get the cover off. You do have to loosen up all of the bolts to allow the bars to move enough. I can't speak about the Heed, since I have the Wunderlich bars, but even loosening the bolts is enough for me to seriously think about tossing the Wunderlich bars and spending another $500 for the Ztechnik bars that I wanted in the first place!

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Can anyone comment on the difficulty of install?
Does it come with clear instructions? How long does it take to do the install? Given the fact that you need to remove to maintain the bike, install time becomes quite critical.
I have them on my 2017 RT. It took about 30 minutes for me to install. I didn't remove any plastic and the wife held things up so I could start the bolts, Leave everything loose until all bolts are started....then tighten.

To get to the valve covers there are 3 bolts on each side to remove. The bottom stays in place.

I am very pleased with the quality and they get lots of compliments from the public.

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Iam looking at these for my 2012 RT, Do these come in the way of an Oil Change?
Also why does one need CYLINDER PROTECTION GUARDS when they have crash bars? Is there an advantage iam not seeing?
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There is no case for both belt and braces here. The bars do the job the cylinder head guards do just as well. I opted for the Ztechnic stainless steel engine bars which do allow oil change and valve adjustment without removal. Also the silver finish looks good. I contacted Heed about whether they would be offering stainless steel versions before I opted for the Ztechnic ones and they suggested they couldn't make the profit margins and prices would rise considerably. Also some manufacturing issues using SS with current bending machinery so an investment in new equipment would be needed.

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Before I rode my 2017 R1200RT out the door of the dealer they installed the ZTechnik® Stainless Steel Engine Guards Item Number: Z7103
I knew I would drop the bike at some time (in the garage when the kickstand didn't extend out all the way)
The engine guards are made of stainless and then shot peened with sandblast. You don't even see any damage if dropped at 2 miles per hour. They seem to be the only ones on the market that bolt to the frame and not the engine. I don't have protection for the bags, but I ride 95% without bags. I wish someone made a frame slider for the bike. The dealer only charged me $450.00 plus $100 to install.
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... the dealer they installed the ZTechnik® Stainless Steel Engine Guards Item Number: Z7103.
Can you still keep the lower section of the fairing, or has this been removed?
It seems to be missing on the Website.

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I Think that any engine protection is way better than have to have the engine rebuilt due to damage after a drop.
Surely, if the damage after a drop leads to needing the engine to be rebuilt. However...my brother put 183,000 miles on 2 different RTs and all told dropped them 5 times over those miles--zero engine damage for any of those drops, and no full crash guards. Four of those were essentially static drops and the fifth he was rear-ended after making a left turn onto highway one between Morro Bay and San Luis Obispo when a car coming south on the highway into his lane did not stop for the red light, resulting in ejecting him up and flying a bit thru the air and then sliding on his back. No engine work needed there either. I'm sure if the boxer head slides along the pavement for very far engine work starts coming into the picture, but for static or near static drops, I don't think there's much to worry about. Because of his testimony I opted for BMW valve cover guards and case bumpers, and full insurance coverage. I also still believe you can reduce drop risk to near zero if you really are dedicated to that end--it helps to be 6'4" tall.

Here are some things I do to to avoid dropping any bike:
  • Always scrutinize all potential parking spots before chosing a spot. Observe for slope, surface debris of all kinds, proximity to other vehicles, etc. If where you want to park simply does not offer a low risk parking area, find another and walk a little. I did not do this once, and parked in a really bad place, the Penny Bar in McKitrick, CA. The parking lot was gravel, in very bad repair, and the gravel was like ball bearings. I had someone spot me when I got ready to leave because my boot soles had very bad traction for this surface, and made it out but this made the case for never compromising on parking spots where at all possible.
  • When getting ready to leave your parking spot inspect your entire back up pathway for debris so you don't lose footing as your are backing out. Use your legs/feet as outriggers if you have the height.
  • When getting off your bike always first look down to verify the side stand is fully extended. This came from reading a story from a guy who did a x-country trip on his GW and upon coming into his garage at the very end got off the bike w/o making sure the kickstand was down and down she went. Make sure the bike is in gear before attempting to dismount as well.
  • Grasp the front brake during mounts and dismounts for extra protection from rolling.
  • Dedicate to effective low-speed handling techniques which is a whole topic in itself--but briefly stated, maintain a little rear brake and control speed by keeping revs up and slipping the clutch a bit while maintaining a little tension w/ the rear brake. Keep the steering dead straight when coming to any stop. Keep revs up when departing so as to avoid a stall--ultra important if you're turning at the same time.
  • Avoid u-turns on sloped surfaces, or rushed u-turns, etc.

I am no master rider and these are just the common sense things anyone can dedicate to doing always to help minimize dropping their heavier bike, with or without crash guards.

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Can you still keep the lower section of the fairing, or has this been removed?
It seems to be missing on the Website.
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Yes for the 2011 DOHV version. Don't know about the wethead. Fitting was a dream.

Sorry, I do mean on the Wethead.

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I have been looking at these for a while now for my 2017 Alpine white RT that is on order. I just ordered the front ones in black. $280 total shipped.

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Very cool! The exact model and color I want. So have you got it set up yet? When you do can you post some pics, up close & from a ways back?

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Can anyone with the Heed crash bars on a 2014 or newer RT answer a couple questions please?

Is there enough room on the bars to rest you legs extended out (I do this on my GS to stretch my legs).

Do the bars scrape in the twisties?

My primary reason for wanting crash bars is to stretch my legs. Not possible to rest my legs on the RT's jugs because the lower fairing is in the way.

If I can't use the Heed crash bars to rest my legs I get the Machine Motor Art covers and Ilium highway pegs.

Thanks.

EDIT: Just checked and Ilium doesn't make highway pegs like they do for the Hexhead and Camhead. Only highway pegs that attach to crash bars.

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Several posts have asked about rear bars interference with the pillion passenger. On my 2018 RT I have the ilium bars both front and rear and my wife (5'2") has no problem with the rear bars being in her way. I decided on ilium because of the ease of maintenance with front bars in place. Hope I never have to real world test them in a drop.

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Looks Great
I would love to get those but I cannot find the link for european connection. on Ebay everything comes out of china and I cannot find the ones you have .. the chinese ones are always shown without the side covers installed which leads me to believe that the covers cannot be installed with their crash bars
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I would love to get those but I cannot find the link for european connection. on Ebay everything comes out of china and I cannot find the ones you have .. the chinese ones are always shown without the side covers installed which leads me to believe that the covers cannot be installed with their crash bars
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-ENGIN...MAAOSwpBpZ5KnA

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I started to tandem ride with my wife, she really enjoys it. so when I got the RT, I was bit worried.... I dropped my GS few times doing maneuvers, sometimes dumb things, but with no worries. but I dont wanna drop this beauty, so I decided to get some bars. I like the black color that Heed offered.... and pricing was great. installation was also easy, and I am quite sure it will do its job protecting the fairings when dropped. (can't say it would be as good as that video of Illumiworks but these bars do seems quite sturdy.) bar diameter is 25mm all around.

Pros:
price, (paid about $500 includes ship to CA, USA)
fairly quick ship from Poland,
good quality,
easy fit.

Cons:
I think if I get too frisky on some twisties, I may scrape the front bars.... seems like it.
for sure the front bars will have to be loosened for valve adjustments, but seems easy enough, just 2 bolts on each sides on the bottom.


This is something I learned on my 2009 RT: NEVER, NEVER, put engine guard bars that fit below the headers.

I had the old Wunderlich bars that fitted under (as these ones do) on a corner, they caught on the asphalt and my bike jump in the air...luckily it came down on the same vector line as the lean, and thus, I was able to complete the turn after a minor adjustment. The bike could have flipped over had it come down at a different angle and I wouldn't be here writing this post.

I came home, took them flocking things off...and never again.
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I really didn't want to jump into this discussion, but since I am out of tequila, I figured why not?

I have the Illium Works crash guards- front and rear. I have had the misfortune of my bike tipping over...twice (and once with me on it). I am including photos to show the extent of the damages. The mirror cover cost about $60 from the dealer. The scratches simply needed a very light sanding and a bit of touch-up paint; you wouldn't even know they were damaged in the first place.

I also have the MachineArt Moto covers on as well...they, as well as the fender extender, were the first items I added to the bike. Now while they are not a problem when doing valve work, the Illium Works highway pegs + the valve covers ARE an issue, but only on the left side, where clearance is practically non-existent. I have, sadly, snapped a few valve cover bolts (and always the rear one), when reinstalling the MAM cover, since it is a real bitch getting the MAM cover into position with the highway pegs in place.

So why both the guards AND the covers? Simple- your bike may tumble on its side and the ground may be such that the bike doesn't land on the guards but on those covers instead. Another scenario is that the bike comes down on the guards but a large pointy object, like a stone or piece of wood, may be positioned in such a way they could still impact those engine heads.

The MAM covers are fairly inexpensive and look really good on the bike. In my mind, it's a no-brainer.

Now as to the HEED guards, well, the more I look at them, the more I wonder how they would hold up in a fall. Look at the rear guards and compare them with the Illium Works rear guard....

IW: The guard runs from the bike and does a simple loop back to the bike. No part of the loop is higher than a point of contact on the bike. This will prevent the guard from being bent.
HEED: This thing looks like a race track. Notice how the top loop is way above where it connects to the bike? If your bike goes down, that part of the guard may fail enough to actually damage the bike.

Now look at the front:

IW: Again, solid and simple.
HEED: You are running the risk of having that rear section, the winged part that covers the head, bend and distort if the bike lands on it hard enough. It could actually damage the very thing it was designed to protect.

But if you really want to know, go ahead and dump the bike in your driveway and see how it all holds up. The guy for IW does just that, but he never shows the "after" video. I, on the other hand, have tipped the RT over more than once and can verify how the IW guards worked.

BTW, when I tipped it over that first time? It was on I-10E in the Florida panhandle around 2AM, pitch black (no moon) while I was on a 3,000+ mile ride. The bike was fully loaded, including a 3-gallon Rotopax fuel can on the luggage deck made by Maple Farkles. I had just left a gas station and minutes later realized my wallet wasn't in my thigh pocket. I immediately pulled-over, but the shoulder was very narrow and had a very pronounced slope...so much of one that I couldn't really get an angle to put the bike on the side stand. I quickly hopped-off and moved the bike to and fro, trying to find that sweet spot, but couldn't. The first semi that went by was pushing enough air to topple the RT.

But the good news is that when I picked the bike up, there was my wallet! It had been wedged between a bag and something else.

PS: I won't even go into the offerings from Wunderlich because they are garbage and overpriced.
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Iam looking at these for my 2012 RT, Do these come in the way of an Oil Change?
Also why does one need CYLINDER PROTECTION GUARDS when they have crash bars? Is there an advantage iam not seeing?
I have the Heed front crash bars on my 2010 which should be similar to 2012 and the bars did not interfere with oil change at all. Make sure you have the correct OEM or an aftermarket oil filter wrench as I recall the clearance for the filter would be tight with a generic wrench or certain types of universal type filter wrenches.
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Re: HEED crash bars on my 2016RT

I have a 2019 R 1250RT with factory fog lights or driving light.

Do the front HEED bars require you to change the position of those lights to the bars themselves?

Thanks in advance.
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i do not have stock fog lights, but i do know where the OEM fog lights go...
and I do believe that the OEM mountings will get in the way....
sorry I can't be too sure about this....

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I have a 2019 R 1250RT with factory fog lights or driving light.

Do the front HEED bars require you to change the position of those lights to the bars themselves?

Thanks in advance.
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I have a 2019 R 1250RT with factory fog lights or driving light.

Do the front HEED bars require you to change the position of those lights to the bars themselves?

Thanks in advance.
I have a 2019 R1250RT with the factory led fog lights and recently installed the HEED bars front and rear. There was no need to change the position of those lights and no need to purchase separate light mounts as required by some other manufacturers. Both fog light mounting brackets run just over top of the HEED bars, although the left side light bracket is pretty close to the bar.
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