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post #51 of 81 Old Jan 6th, 2017, 9:07 am
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Re: Iliumworks or Wunderlich R1200RTW crash bars?

At the time of purchase the dealer was offering a great deal on the Wunderlich bars, so I went with them. I like the way they look and I've had good luck with Wunderlich products in the past. On long trips, I sometimes use them to stretch/rest my legs for short periods of time (sans pegs) and they're surprisingly comfortable for this. Frankly, I hope I remain unable to comment on the effectiveness of their intended purpose.
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I have the Wunderlich crash bars front and rear. my wife , who rides with me all the time does NOT like the rear bars ; as they pressure the back of her leg and push her foot forward on the pegs.
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Shortly before replacing my K1300GT with an '18 RT, it got away from me while walking it through the garage. A plastic trash can took most of the hit, but it did prompt me to install Ilium bars front and rear on the new bike. The black color hides them nicely on the white RT. The installation was straightforward even for a ham-fisted garage tech.

The rider trailing me on our breakfast ride this morning mentioned that the rear bars were close to grounding in the tighter corners. Sure enough, both rear bars showed grind marks on the lower outer edges.

Something I'll keep in mind on future rides. I've been riding with the suspension in the SOFT setting, with rider and bags. I'll play with the settings a bit and see if I can get more ground clearance.
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Re: Iliumworks or Wunderlich R1200RTW crash bars?

I have the Iliumworks, just one comment regarding choosing the silver vs black, I bought the silver and after 1 year and 16k miles the silver ones had rock chip marks that discolored and were quite visible. I spoke with them as I thought 1 year of usage and the amount rock chips might have indicated a bad batch of coating or somesuch. They sent me new replacements and I asked for the black instead. I have just shy of 36k on the bike now and 2 yrs on the black bars, they have chips as well but do not show up near as much on the darker bars as opposed to what the silver ones did. Just something to consider.
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....Also, anyone with a real world tip over or slide using either is appreciated.
So for all of us that have fitted crash bars, no one has had a 'real world' top over? That must mean that they are really just a wast of money

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Had a tip over in a parking lot, no damage to the bike. The wound to the Ztechnik bars was easily fixed with a touch of steel wool, probably would not be able to do that with a lot of the bars out there.

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I'm hanging out on Ztechnik bars being made available for my R 1250RT.
I recently sent them another email asking for a date . . . . but they haven't replied.

I might end up going with Wunderlich if this drags out much longer.

One thing I noticed about Iliumworks pricing is that the REAR GUARD BARS are only $40 cheaper than the fronts, in spite of the fact the fronts have twice the steel and (probably) twice the complexity to manufacture.

Will you need AUXILIARY LIGHT MOUNT BRACKETS for another $110 . . . or perhaps getting a simple bracket welded on?
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I'm hanging out on Ztechnik bars being made available for my R 1250RT.

I recently sent them another email asking for a date . . . . but they haven't replied.



I might end up going with Wunderlich if this drags out much longer.



One thing I noticed about Iliumworks pricing is that the REAR GUARD BARS are only $40 cheaper than the fronts, in spite of the fact the fronts have twice the steel and (probably) twice the complexity to manufacture.



Will you need AUXILIARY LIGHT MOUNT BRACKETS for another $110 . . . or perhaps getting a simple bracket welded on?


Just installed my Wunderlich bars, have to say the fit and finish was perfect. I would recommend them. Iliumworks or Wunderlich R1200RTW crash bars?-img_1013.jpgIliumworks or Wunderlich R1200RTW crash bars?-img_1014.jpg


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Just installed my Wunderlich bars, have to say the fit and finish was perfect. I would recommend them. Attachment 151227Attachment 151229
Hmm . . . . they do look good .
The chrome is a nice accent . . .

Have you given any consideration to matching those with the Tank/Fairing Bars?

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Hmm . . . . they do look good .

The chrome is a nice accent . . .



Have you given any consideration to matching those with the Tank/Fairing Bars?



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Nope, I donít like the way those look ar all


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I'm hanging out on Ztechnik bars being made available for my R 1250RT.
I recently sent them another email asking for a date . . . . but they haven't replied.

I might end up going with Wunderlich if this drags out much longer.

One thing I noticed about Iliumworks pricing is that the REAR GUARD BARS are only $40 cheaper than the fronts, in spite of the fact the fronts have twice the steel and (probably) twice the complexity to manufacture.

Will you need AUXILIARY LIGHT MOUNT BRACKETS for another $110 . . . or perhaps getting a simple bracket welded on?
Lucky - I had learned in the other forum that Ztechnik is redesigning the crashbar for allowing mounting of the aux. light bar. So, if you have no needs to add the light bar, you might as well go ahead and buy the one that is presently offered. OTOH, I still cannot see why one couldn't mount that light bar even with the existing Ztechnik product!

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Just installed my Wunderlich bars, have to say the fit and finish was perfect. I would recommend them. Attachment 151227Attachment 151229


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I sure hope that you don't ride the corners as hard as I do!! If you did, you will find the cross-bar (the outer one that runs fore-aft) of your Wunderlich bar touching down!! I just did it again this past Monday. I have fairly good size patches of bare scraped metal on both sides to show.



If you haven't figured it out now, I absolutely hate the Wunderlich bars. The only reason that I have this set is because it was the only bars available when I had gotten my '14 RT. Ztechnik was so slow to come up with a product. The other thing that you will find with the Wunderlich bars is that they will have to be greatly loosened up, or removed completely, in order to get the valve cover off for valve checks! The couldn't make enough room to allow the valve cover removal because that would place that cross-bar out further, and aggravate the touch-down issue!



I had been aggravated enough that I was about to simply toss my Wunderlich bars and spend the money to get a pair of Ztechnik, but then I decided that I want to get the 1250RT next year, and so I will live with the Wunderlich for another season.

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Lucky - I had learned in the other forum that Ztechnik is redesigning the crashbar for allowing mounting of the aux. light bar. So, if you have no needs to add the light bar, you might as well go ahead and buy the one that is presently offered. OTOH, I still cannot see why one couldn't mount that light bar even with the existing Ztechnik product!
I used the mounting plate on the current Ztechnik bars to hold a pair of Denali DMs. The mounting bolt fit the hole in the plate perfectly but I added an extra nut between the bracket on the light and the mounting plate to move the lights just a little bit forward to allow move clearance for height aiming.

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I sure hope that you don't ride the corners as hard as I do!! If you did, you will find the cross-bar (the outer one that runs fore-aft) of your Wunderlich bar touching down!! I just did it again this past Monday. I have fairly good size patches of bare scraped metal on both sides to show.



If you haven't figured it out now, I absolutely hate the Wunderlich bars. The only reason that I have this set is because it was the only bars available when I had gotten my '14 RT. Ztechnik was so slow to come up with a product. The other thing that you will find with the Wunderlich bars is that they will have to be greatly loosened up, or removed completely, in order to get the valve cover off for valve checks! The couldn't make enough room to allow the valve cover removal because that would place that cross-bar out further, and aggravate the touch-down issue!



I had been aggravated enough that I was about to simply toss my Wunderlich bars and spend the money to get a pair of Ztechnik, but then I decided that I want to get the 1250RT next year, and so I will live with the Wunderlich for another season.


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Well, all that I can say is that I sure hope what they say for the 1250RT bars is true!



Definitely not true with the bars for the wethead 1200RT! They had also claimed that they had enough clearance for valve cover removal, which they had to retract several months later, when it was proven that it was not the case.


Just for the heck of it, I went outside and snapped a picture to show you! I don't know how many scrapes that side of the bar had, to get that much damage? The traces of gray stuff around the damage area is from some epoxy that I had spread over the area, sometimes in the past, to prevent the area from rusting. Didn't work!


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Well, all that I can say is that I sure hope what they say for the 1250RT bars is true!



Definitely not true with the bars for the wethead 1200RT! They had also claimed that they had enough clearance for valve cover removal, which they had to retract several months later, when it was proven that it was not the case.


Just for the heck of it, I went outside and snapped a picture to show you! I don't know how many scrapes that side of the bar had, to get that much damage? The traces of gray stuff around the damage area is from some epoxy that I had spread over the area, sometimes in the past, to prevent the area from rusting. Didn't work!




Thanks for the pictures, I do ride fairly aggressively. I will need to exercise caution until I test them out. I could do a static experiment laying the RT on carpet and see what contacts first. Did you by any chance lower your RT?


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I fitted a set up Illium Works bars to my 1250 today. Really easy fit, bars look quite good and the quality seems high, so pleased.
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I installed Ilium’s in black. I think they blend in very well with the rest of the black components of the bike, so they do not appear that obvious, or stand out too much. I do agree though that the bug splatter on them is more obvious !
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Lucky - I had learned in the other forum that Ztechnik is redesigning the crashbar for allowing mounting of the aux. light bar. . . . . . . OTOH, I still cannot see why one couldn't mount that light bar even with the existing Ztechnik product!
My Black 1250 came with aux lights, so I want to keep them and not pay $$ for extra mounting hardware if possible (as a matter of principle . . . . plus I'm a bit of a tight ass). As Skibumwi shows; the integrated accessory bracket provided by Ztechnik is a demonstration of the manufacturer treating the customer more fairly IMHO.

The dealership I got my bike from said engine bars will touch on corners . . . . the Ilium engine bars look to be the most corner intrusive, judging from the pictures on their site (which seem to go out of their way to limit showing the bars to just a couple of angles). I've read the Ilium rear bars are more comfortable for the pillion as compared to the taller Wunderlich product.

Chrome, powder coated silver and stainless steel sure do look good, but gravel rash and stone chipping do make a good reason to have black coloured bars - so hard to have class and practicality rolled into one - I personally wouldn't be concerned about bug splatter.

For me to have front & rear bars is a BIG $$ purchase ~ $1,000 aussie dollars (approx) is not small change IMHO.

Even though I've read that ZTechnikís Z7103 Stainless Steel Engine Guards can fit the 1250; I'm really trying to wait on specific news from Ztechnik before I drop my cash in some companies lap.
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I would expect to see these bars early summer
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I went with the Illium's because I liked the grey color ones better. And I liked how they only came out in front of the cylinders. I felt that was the the kind of protection it needed. They didn't have the rear guards out yet, but I plan on getting those too.

If this doesn't convince you the Illium's will work...

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Thanks for the pictures, I do ride fairly aggressively. I will need to exercise caution until I test them out. I could do a static experiment laying the RT on carpet and see what contacts first. Did you by any chance lower your RT?


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Static test won't tell you anything because it does not take into account the compression of the suspensions with rider aboard, and the centrifugal force acting on the bike as you go around the turn. Lower my RT????? Heaven NO!!!! That would not even be a consideration for me!


Unfortunately, I have a feeling that you will experience the same thing, because there isn't much different, physically where it matters, between my 1200RT and your 1250RT! If anything, the 1250RT valve covers may stick out further.

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. . . .

The dealership I got my bike from said engine bars will touch on corners . . . . the Ilium engine bars look to be the most corner intrusive, judging from the pictures on their site (which seem to go out of their way to limit showing the bars to just a couple of angles). I've read the Ilium rear bars are more comfortable for the pillion as compared to the taller Wunderlich product.

. . . .
Based on long years of reading of comments in various forums, I would take any statements from any dealers with a very large grain of salt! I had the Ztechnik bars on my prior '07 hexhead for many years, and I can say that it had never touched the ground, while the pegs (and my foot) does get kicked out quite frequently, from contacting the ground at speed!

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I ride RTPs all the time, I am obviously not a riding god, because I have never touched the engine bars down. There are loads on this forum who have Illium bars fitted, lets ask them if the bars touch down. I have just fitted the Illium bars to my 1250 and if the bars touch down I will be very surprised, they are only a couple of inches max past the cylinder heads.
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Re: Iliumworks or Wunderlich R1200RTW crash bars?

The rear Ilium bars will touch down when cornering. They protrude about 2 inches outboard of the front engine bars, and about an equal distance lower. It seems to me that the rear bar would be close to levering the rear tire off the pavement before the front bars would touch down, short of a crash. I don't plan to explore that limit further.
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Ouch! Now, that I really don't like at all. I have rear Wunderlich bars on now, and I can say that had never touched down. OTOH, I should take a look to make sure, when I go out into my garage! I was going to go with Ztechnik front and Ilium rear when I get my 1250 next year, but this has just changed my mind about the rear! It's one thing to slide along a lateral bar, but quite another to have one that could snag something on the ground!

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Best I keep an eye on this then, I haven't been out with them yet, I'll let you know if they touch down
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Re: Iliumworks or Wunderlich R1200RTW crash bars?

I have both front and rear crash bars. Got to try them out during a zero speed drop of the bike (stopped, put my foot down in gravel and slipped).

They worked great. Nothing on the bike was scratched except the bars.

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