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Hi all -

I am continuing the Endless Quest for The Perfect Riding Jacket. Yes, I know no such thing exists, but we all must have our quests.

I have a five year old Cayenne Pro that is starting to show its age. If you talk to my wife, she will say it looks "horrible and not just a bit tatty". I like it that way, but it is starting to come apart in a few places. That, and I can't get the smell out of it (and not even sure what the smell *is*).

One of the main reasons I chose the Cayenne Pro was for the orange/silver colour option. Yes, orange is obnoxious but that makes you more visible in the rain and muck. One of the downsides to the Cayenne is that it is not a waterproof jacket; the liner is but not the shell. After adding two or three gallons of water to the shell fabric, it gets a bit heavy and takes forever to dry out (hmm, possible cause of the unknown smell).

Anyways, I have beeen researching Gore-Tex jackets and have come up with a couple possible suitors (pun intended). The Klim Badlands Pro, Klim Latitude or the Aerostitch Roadcrafter. I ride pretty much all-weather and all the time, so I am not really concerned with the money aspect, I just want a good jacket.

The biggest holdback against the Klims is that they are covered in Klim logos. I've seen professional bicycle racers with less advertising plastered on them. They offer a silver/black option that would provide at least a little visibility over a pure black option.

The Roadcrafter is a nice jacket with a good pedigree, but the colours just don't work. I've seen a red Roadcrafter jacket that was a lovely shade of pink after two years of wear, and I don't think I could put up with that. Not sure what the missus would say about that, either.

So. Basically, what I am looking for is any input on either the Klim line or any alternatives that you have found to work well for you in the Gore-Tex "waterproof" jacket arena.
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For the last two riding seasons I have been using RUKKA Aramis Jacket and pants, pretty pricey, bought mine of ADV Rider flea market. It is the only pant/jacket combo I need great for cold temp below 32 deg F, in Canada. In Phoenix in 100 deg F, it can be a little hot. however since most riding is done in more temperate climates it is great.

I have had them all from Leather, First Gear, BMG (Belstaff), Reima to the Revit Cayenne Pro which I sold after one trip hated to have to wear Water Proof liners etc. Also have an older style Revit SENSOR completely water proof outer shell, no liner.

I found First Gear, Reima (Cycl Oak) to be pretty good and affordable, also BMG the ex distributor for Belstaff has a good variety of jackets, the Discovery being an excellent choice, again water proof exterior.

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Check out tiger angel (www.tigerangel.com.au). I'm an all weather all season rider and have had one of their Element jackets for over a decade. What I like is the jacket on its own is waterproof and wind proof and has a zip out thermal liner for cold weather. The colour has faded a bit but a yearly wash in a Gortex treatment keeps it performing.

I'm also a Roadcrafter fan and use one of their one pice riding suits on my daily commute.

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I'm very happy with my BMW Streetguard 3 jacket and pants. Works well from around freezing to 80F. The only thing is that its been out a few years now and there could well be a version 4 in the pipeline.
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I'm very happy with my BMW Streetguard 3 jacket and pants. Works well from around freezing to 80F. The only thing is that its been out a few years now and there could well be a version 4 in the pipeline.
I too have a Streetguard 3 jacket & trousers. I have ridden in temps from 0°C (32°F) to 20°C plus (68°F+) and have been very happy with it. I ride daily too and fro from work as well as the periodic long tour. It has proved to be weatherproof. The think I like about it is, it has a double cuff on the sleeves to stop the water from getting inside.

The protection is also first class.

The downside? The cost, but if they bring out a new version then you will see a reduction in the price, but obviously the choices of sizes becomes limited.

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I too would like to switch to a Gore-Tex jacket.

Currently I have a couple of Revit jackets that have waterproof liners.

Here is a website that lists Gore-Tex motorcycle products from various manufactures:

http://www.gore-tex.com/products/men...cycling/page0/
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Held also makes a number of Gore-Tex jackets:
http://stores.heldnorthamerica.com/-...Categories.bok
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So, I have been reading like crazy about the various Gore-Tex jackets.

Pretty much most of them have Gore-tex sandwiched in the shell fabric. This means the outer skin of the jacket still gets wet. I am not referring to jackets that have a Gore-tex liner.

I don't understand why they don't use Gore-Tex on the outermost layer?
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I don't understand why they don't use Gore-Tex on the outermost layer?
The Gore-Tex membrane is actually very thin and pretty fragile, thus it is embedded between layers.

Recently, they came out with their ProShell (I think that is the name) which is a more durable material that is actually waterproof, but it is horrendously expensive (I just bought an ArcTeryx Theta rain jacket that was $600, but it is 100% completely waterproof, tested in a 2 inch per hour downpour for 45 minutes).

For motorcycle applications, even the ProShell isn't tough enough for sliding down the pavement on, so that is why it has to hide under a layer of Cordura.
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Thanks all for your suggestions/comments.

One of the hardest parts is that nobody in my area carries any kind of stock for the higher end gear so I can't see it/try it on beforehand. I hate ordering something and then paying $30 to ship it back when I don't like it.
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I am in the same boat. Even though I live in a large city (Toronto) there are very few places to try on what I am looking for.

Let's try to keep this thread going on Gore-Tex jackets.

My personal requirements are a jacket is cut like an adventure tour style and with good venting. It does not have to be a full summer (80+) jacket (I have a mesh RevIt for summer).

So far I am looking at the RevIt Legacy GTX, AlpineStars Tech ST, Scott Distinct 1 & 2, and am just starting research on Held jackets.
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Thanks all for your suggestions/comments.

One of the hardest parts is that nobody in my area carries any kind of stock for the higher end gear so I can't see it/try it on beforehand. I hate ordering something and then paying $30 to ship it back when I don't like it.
Consider traveling to where the products are sold (or made). We drove 900+ miles (each way) to Duluth, MN to look at Aerostich gear. The time and expense was well worth it, for the reason you mention. I wanted to see the products in person, choose between one-piece and two-piece suits, get a good fit, and so on.

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REVZILLA has very good policies for returning items.

Soon I'll be ordering MOTOPORT pants to go with the jacket I have and pick up their liners for rain. With the uninsulated liners I'm hopeing it will replace using my Stich suit which has been excellent in rain, and zips together when it's cold. With Gerbings my Stich keeps me comfortable at 80 mph with temps in the lower 30s F.

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Hi all -

I am continuing the Endless Quest for The Perfect Riding Jacket. Yes, I know no such thing exists, but we all must have our quests.

I have a five year old Cayenne Pro that is starting to show its age. If you talk to my wife, she will say it looks "horrible and not just a bit tatty". I like it that way, but it is starting to come apart in a few places. That, and I can't get the smell out of it (and not even sure what the smell *is*).

One of the main reasons I chose the Cayenne Pro was for the orange/silver colour option. Yes, orange is obnoxious but that makes you more visible in the rain and muck. One of the downsides to the Cayenne is that it is not a waterproof jacket; the liner is but not the shell. After adding two or three gallons of water to the shell fabric, it gets a bit heavy and takes forever to dry out (hmm, possible cause of the unknown smell).

Anyways, I have beeen researching Gore-Tex jackets and have come up with a couple possible suitors (pun intended). The Klim Badlands Pro, Klim Latitude or the Aerostitch Roadcrafter. I ride pretty much all-weather and all the time, so I am not really concerned with the money aspect, I just want a good jacket.

The biggest holdback against the Klims is that they are covered in Klim logos. I've seen professional bicycle racers with less advertising plastered on them. They offer a silver/black option that would provide at least a little visibility over a pure black option.

The Roadcrafter is a nice jacket with a good pedigree, but the colours just don't work. I've seen a red Roadcrafter jacket that was a lovely shade of pink after two years of wear, and I don't think I could put up with that. Not sure what the missus would say about that, either.

So. Basically, what I am looking for is any input on either the Klim line or any alternatives that you have found to work well for you in the Gore-Tex "waterproof" jacket arena.
Check out the Sedici Alexi three season jacket that Cycle rider ran an add on yesterday for $199.00 looks like it has all you need to ride in cold, wet or hot weather

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The Roadcrafter is a nice jacket with a good pedigree, but the colours just don't work. I've seen a red Roadcrafter jacket that was a lovely shade of pink after two years of wear, and I don't think I could put up with that...[/QUOTE]

During CCR Duluth last year we took the Aerostich tour. One thing that was pointed out was the red, and HiViz, suits were revamped a few years ago to eliminate the fade-to-pink problem. As a matter of fact, if Andy sees you in a pink Roadcrafter he's likely to offer a new suit for free.

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I woulda thought that with over 100,000 miles on my BMW Kalahari all season jacket, I'd've worn the thing out so I can look around for a replacement. Can't convince the CFO that I need a new one - she sez it's just like the day I brought it home from Lone Star/Austin 13 years ago. Soooo - until I scrag it or the CFO finds a winning lottery ticket, I'll just be looking at this vendor and wishing!!!
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i've seen fabric spray to help prevent fabric from fading.

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Check out the Sedici Alexi three season jacket that Cycle rider ran an add on yesterday for $199.00 looks like it has all you need to ride in cold, wet or hot weather
That won't work. I'm tired of liners and having the outer layer being soaking wet and heavy.
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I've also been searching for the perfect jacket, for the last 10 years.

I tried a Darien Light, wasn't impressed, didn't keep me 100% dry. After 6 months, I sold it and bought a Kilimanjaro. I really like it, it's kept me dry, but it's got about 20,000 miles on it and it looks like its been thru a war.

I've decided my next jacket will be a Klim, I'm tired of messing around with mid-priced equipment. I'm going to bite the bullet, buy the best and see what happens.

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I've decided my next jacket will be a Klim, I'm tired of messing around with mid-priced equipment. I'm going to bite the bullet, buy the best and see what happens.
I really like the Klim jackets... except for the fact that you're a rolling billboard.


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A little grease will take care of that. :-)

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http://shop.hellyhansen.com/hu/item/...-jacket-62043/

I carry one of these with me and put it right over my GoreTex lined jacket when I expect heavy rains. The GoreTex is fine for light rains, but in heavy rain the outer shell saturates and it becomes a pain as previously mentioned. This jacket folds into almost nothing and make a great casual jacket off the bike. It's expensive but very functional and durable. Mine is about 10 years old now and still looks and works like new.

I have ridden for hours in cold rainy conditions and stayed warm and dry with my Gerbings long sleeved liner and the HH jacket over the GoreTex jacket.

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My Stich suit never picks up any rain.

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Gonna bite the bullet and get a Klim Latitude to replace my failing Cayenne Pro.
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Can you please keep us posted on the jacket. I too have interest in Klim jackets.
Let us know if it is true to size and how the venting is.

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Can you please keep us posted on the jacket. I too have interest in Klim jackets.
Let us know if it is true to size and how the venting is.
I was able to find a local dealer that had the Latitudes in stock, so I went over to try them on and get my pawprints on them.

My Revit Cayenne Pro is an XL, and fits well with both liners in it but a little loose with the liners out, just for comparison.

I put on an XL Latitude and my first reaction was "my God, I can fit my pillion in here too." Switching down to a large and it was a perfect fit. Enough room to layer underneath or to get some airflow in the summer, but not flowing or riding up.

I was impressed with the adjustability of the Latitude. Adjusters in the arms, neck, waist and lower hem all seemed to work well in their respective areas.

Pockets were good but not great. The inside pockets are all mesh, which will probably be fine but I would have preferred at least one of them to be a full nylon pocket, just for a little more protection. Exterior pockets seemed like they would hold everything you'd want on your body and not in your tank/side bags (wallet, cell phone, SPOT, etc.)

Unfortunately, I was not able to buy from the dealer where I was trying them on at. They only had a large in the silver/grey and I wanted the black. The dealer said that their supplier was backordered "a long time" on the Klim gear. I checked Revzilla and a couple others and they are all out of stock on large/blacks, but Touratech says they have them.

I'll be ordering it probably in a few days and will report back here with my initial findings.
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So, I went to a local dealer to try on Klim jackets.

In a nut shell I thought they were all horrible !!!
They were so stiff, weighed a ton and all the neck closures made me want to rip the jacket off the second I sat on a bike.
Again, this is just my personal opinion.

Then I stopped by another dealer and tried on some more Revit jackets.
The Legacy GTX really felt nice, was a great fit and very comfortable.
BUT the Gore-Tex is still a lining. It's not a removable lining but sewn right to the shell.

My question/concern "is this going to be the same situation where the exterior of the jacket get's water logged in the rain" ?
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Just wanted to suggest you also consider the BMW Comfort Shell jacket and pants. My SO and I both have them and they are, for my uses, without a doubt the best riding gear I've ever owned. It is completely (and I mean completely) waterproof...we've stayed dry touring in all day downpours. The garments are made from Schoeller phase change material, so they do breath when the temps rise. We pair them with Gerbings electric liners when the temps drop below 50 degrees and have stayed totally warm. I particularly like the fact I don't have to stop and put in a liner every time it rains.

WARNING: As with most stuff BMW, they are RIDICULOUSLY expensive, although not much different than any other top shelf riding gear.

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Does the Comfort Shell have a zip out liner?

I am just trying to find a jacket that has the Gore-Tex as the main material.
I don't ride a GS bike so I don't need all the crazy material and features.

Every other sport seems to have great quality Gore-Tex jackets available yet the MC industry only has a few.
I understand having tough material is an issue.
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My question/concern "is this going to be the same situation where the exterior of the jacket get's water logged in the rain" ?
Any jacket with a GoreTex "liner" will end up with a waterlogged exterior Cordura shell.

This is why I do not want a jacket with a waterproof liner; I want a jacket with a waterproof outer shell.
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Just wanted to suggest you also consider the BMW Comfort Shell jacket and pants.

WARNING: As with most stuff BMW, they are RIDICULOUSLY expensive, although not much different than any other top shelf riding gear.
I did have a poke at the Comfort Shell jacket when I was at the local dealer (buying a pair of Pro Winter 2 gloves).

The fit was strange across my shoulders and the fabric was "crinkly". I'm a firm believer that jackets and backpacks should fit and feel good the moment you put them on; if they don't, they never will feel just right.
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Was just at the dealer looking at the ReVit Legacy GTX (GoreTex).
Same situation, of a liner underneath (not removable).

I just don't get why there are not a ton of Gortex shells out there for motorcycling.

Going to go look at Scott GoreTex jackets this weekend.
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Going to go look at Scott GoreTex jackets this weekend.
Never heard of that brand before but they appear to be have the GoreTex liner as well.
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Saw a Richa Spirit jacket in a recent issue of Motorcycle Consumer News that looked very interesting in that the shell was completely waterproof without getting waterlogged. Anyone have any knowledge?
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I just had a look at that jacket on-line as well as the video on the motorcycle superstore site.
It looks very interesting !
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[QUOTE=four12]I did have a poke at the Comfort Shell jacket when I was at the local dealer (buying a pair of Pro Winter 2 gloves).

The fit was strange across my shoulders and the fabric was "crinkly". I'm a firm believer that jackets and backpacks should fit and feel good the moment you put them on; if they don't, they never will feel just right.[/QUOTE

Agree, the jacket was very stiff when I first purchased it (kinda like a good leather jacket). But it does soften up over time and gets to be very comfortable. However, if the fit just wasn't right then agree you should just keep looking.

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Re: Gore-Tex jacket: The next step in the quest

Rukka! Most of their jackets are made of Cordura and bonded Gore-tex. They fit well, are very comfortable, and look great.
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