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post #1 of 22 Old Nov 29th, 2008, 6:35 pm Thread Starter
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leather & helmet saved my skin-Kevlar better?

I recently took quite a skid down the ashpalt road with my bike on me instead of me on it! Ouch!

I was wearing riding (hiking) boots and my left ankle is twisted and the foot is broken because the boot came off. Boots in good shape.

The jacket was a $250 classic style cycle of good quality leather which has road rash all over it especially at the elbows. Something still penetrated it and into my elbow. The sewn seams were ripped open on one arm. Jacket trashed.

The leather gloves were in the box. I wore instead a lighter fabric glove and my hands & fingers took a beating (better than nothing - at least hands were not bare!). Gloves trashed.

The helmet was a 1/2 shell. It has road rash on all 4 sides. My face has 1 small scratch (lucky!)

Paramedics cut up the long legged pants - what was left of them. Ended up with major road rash on both lower legs and some on the butt.

I will be buying a better boot, new jacket, full helmet that opens in front, throw away my open fingered gloves.

What I would like to know if you have any experience with the Cordovan and/or the Kevlan systems riding jackets, I would appreciate your opinion. Thinking of them instead of the leather only because it gets hot in FL behind a fairing & especially in traffic!
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Re: leather & helmet saved my skin-Kevlar better?

I'm in the Houston Texas area and ride with this stuff year round.....pretty much some of the best/safest stuff out there. Their is lots of other good stuff out there but in this category $$$ are king IMHO

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Mr. Kinsey - what stuff?
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Mr. Kinsey - what stuff?
Dohhhhhhhhhhhh.................. http://www.motoport.com/Product.asp?Clv=102300

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Motoport stuff is excellant. I have the Kevlar mesh jacket and liner. Going to buy the mesh pants this spring. Not cheap but worth the piece of mind. I think their gear is the only nonleather riding suit aproved for racing. Not sure though.

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Dharnie,

Glad you can still type and hope the rash heals fast and the foot as well. Welcome to the ATGATT club - I hope.

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Aerostitch ... the only way to go. Custom fit to YOU. not the basic off the rack gear. It is very hot in Las Vegas and I can still stay cool. The suits and jacket vent well.

Had a friend go down earlier this summer wearing a mess Joe Rocket jacket and gear. It did not work that great. As she hit the dirt the sleeves pushed way up and exposed her forearm and elbows which were trashed and needed surgery. Gloves were ripped right off.The pants did not protect her knee (surgery on that as well) The helmet worked great (don't remember what brand)

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Re: leather & helmet saved my skin-Kevlar better?

Glad to hear you survived the accident, Dharnie. Sounds like you're lucky to be with us.

While Aerostitch is good, I think Motoport kevlar is quite a bit better. I live not too far from the Aerostitch factory & was going to ride up there to be measured before I learned about Motoport Air Mesh and compared the differences between the fabric Aerostitch uses vs. Motoport. Forget about products made from polypropylene coated polyester as it can melt into your skin during a slide. Several of the lower priced textile products use this fabric combo.

Motoport was my choice after many hours of researching textiles. I have an Airmesh jacket & pants with the breathable liners. During the hot days of summer, I almost always wear a phase change vest.

Be sure to read Save Your Hide as well as the customer testimonials

There is also a lengthy thread on AVDRider

Wayne is great to work with and they will guide you through the measurement process if needed. And if you crash while wearing their gear & they cannot repair the damage, they will replace your garment for free.

I used to think products like this were expensive until I considered what a lengthy hospital stay and possible skin graft surgery might cost.

I think if you read all the testimonials as well as the Save Your Hide article you will conclude that kevlar is not only better than leather, it is also considerably cooler.

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Any ideas what these people http://www.motoport.com/Default.asp have with these ? http://www.motoport.eu/
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Re: leather & helmet saved my skin-Kevlar better?

Dharnie,

Take a look at www.webbikeworld.com and locate the review of the Motoport Kevlar "police" pants. I have a lot of riding gear but after reading this review, I have to have a pair of these, and one of their ultra mesh Kevlar jackets in Hi Viz too !

BTW, don't overlook Aerostich products. Many thousands of serious riders wear Aerostich, including hundreds of (Police) motor officers. This and Motoport are some of the best textile motorcycle apparel on the market. Another good thing about them, they're both made right here in the USA.

Also glad to hear you say you'll be getting rid of the ridiculous half shell helmet.They were never intended for riding motorcycles. Half shells were borrowed from the equestrian world by motor officers in the early 1900s. Approximately 60 percent of motorcycle crashes result in the rider striking the lower jaw and face, on the pavement or left turning car. Full face is the only way to go.

Others have said it here but buy the best apparel you can afford and wear it all the time.
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I ware these pants in gray. they have a removable quilted liner for winter
https://www.motoliberty.com/prod_detail.asp?Prod_ID=254
and this mesh. It really flows great here in central Texas. I have the gray at the bottom of the page.
http://vansonleathers.com/product_pages/jackets/vx3.htm
This helmet in solid gray
http://www.nolanhelmets.com/n102ncom.htm
but will replace it with this one soon with the "INSDE" visor
http://www.nolanhelmets.com/n103ncom.htm

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Re: leather & helmet saved my skin-Kevlar better?

Dennis,

Sorry to hear about your wreck.

I went down on the "Lowside" last week, but, I seperated from the bike and only suffered bruise/cuts.

I wear my gear all the time. Leather when cool and padded mesh when hot. I only wore lined sweatpants and they were trashed. My armored gloves "wore down" a bit but did their job. My jacket was barely scuffed. My boots (steel (well plastic) toed) above the ankles came through fine as well.

My flip up helmet was cracked.

I'm walking and still a little "pissed" about my own stupidity (below 32 wet roads, guess what BRIDGES FREEZE!).

Anyway, wear the gear!, those Rich Fat-Cats pay BIG MONEY to go to the Sauna, you can go to the sauna and ride your motorcycle at the same time, best of both worlds.

Glad to hear your safe.

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Dharnie, glad to hear you had gear on, and even more glad to hear you are going to upgrade.
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... Others have said it here but buy the best apparel you can afford and wear it all the time.
I'll make one modification to Brian's comment above: Buy the best apparel even if you can't afford it right now. Borrow from your Aunt Martha, get a second job, whatever. Just kidding, but seriously, walking into the ER for a minor problem can cost $1,000. At that point you can buy nearly any Aerostich suit, even with several modifications to fit you, and you are well on your way to covering the cost of a Motoport suit if I recall their prices correctly.

Don't save money on gear; it will pay dividends when it's most needed and it could save you some pain and suffering.

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Re: leather & helmet saved my skin-Kevlar better?

Thanks for all you who have contributed here. I am amazed at my own ignorance as to safety gear. Guess I was only aware of helmet, leather jacket & jeans in my previous riding days and brought that mentality with me when I started riding again a few years ago. The only reason I had chaps at all was because of cold air in my mornings & winter commutes. Wish I had them on when I slid!

I am getting the motorport mesh pants and plan to use them on every ride! I hate the looks of the mesh jacket though! Been looking at other brands for hot summer riding. I ordered another leather jacket with armor in the 3 spots, full-face hlemet, kevlar gloves and will be shopping mid calf leather boots when I can put one on my busted foot.
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I've owned/worn two darien jackets, starting in 01. I sold them some years ago, they just arent' comfy to me and hard to pack. However, I wore the darien pants up until this weekend, since 01 (zipper handle broke, first problem ever in like 200k miles).

I bought a new Savannah II BMW jacket about 3 years ago, it is awesome.

This last wekend, I finally popped for the savannah replacement called the santiago, pants only.

man o man, what was I waiting for..comfy, better fitting knee armor, hip armor (sides) and excellent fit. I'll wear these a lot more around town and stuff I think. They fit and look well enuff to not cause a fashion riot when I jump an eatery or something.

Don't exclude the BMW gear line. The summer suit (SO has one) is excellent, maybe a bit hot for FL though.

gear is a hard choice because its so expensive you want to buy it right the first time
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I recently took quite a skid down the ashpalt road with my bike on me instead of me on it! Ouch!

I was wearing riding (hiking) boots and my left ankle is twisted and the foot is broken because the boot came off. Boots in good shape.

The jacket was a $250 classic style cycle of good quality leather which has road rash all over it especially at the elbows. Something still penetrated it and into my elbow. The sewn seams were ripped open on one arm. Jacket trashed.

The leather gloves were in the box. I wore instead a lighter fabric glove and my hands & fingers took a beating (better than nothing - at least hands were not bare!). Gloves trashed.

The helmet was a 1/2 shell. It has road rash on all 4 sides. My face has 1 small scratch (lucky!)

Paramedics cut up the long legged pants - what was left of them. Ended up with major road rash on both lower legs and some on the butt.

I will be buying a better boot, new jacket, full helmet that opens in front, throw away my open fingered gloves.

What I would like to know if you have any experience with the Cordovan and/or the Kevlan systems riding jackets, I would appreciate your opinion. Thinking of them instead of the leather only because it gets hot in FL behind a fairing & especially in traffic!
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Sorry to hear about your tumble, D. Glad you're OK. +1 on Motoport. They are in Orange County, CA, and offer a wide range of products, including Kevlar gloves. The owner customer builds you a riding suit out of Kevlar. Much better than leather and cooler.

Well worth the ride out to the left coast, it you can. If not, he'll talk you through the proper measurements over the phone. Highly recommended.

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Take a look at the short waist motoport mesh kevlar jacket. Looks pretty much like every other jacket out there. Lots of good color combos. It would be the Hi Viz yellow/green for me. BTW, I noticed you said you would be getting a full face helmet, (good), but wanted one in gray or silver. Why not look at a solid white or one of my new, favorite colors, neon Hi Viz yellow by Scorpion. Take a look at webbikeworld article on the new EXO-700 Neon. Fantastic quality helmet for about 200.00. Got one ordered for myself and should be here next week.

If you think about it, silver and other muted colors blend in too much with asphalt, guard rails, etc. I think the most common color for cars and SUVs these days is silver.

This, of course, is JMHO but I don't want to blend in to my surroundings on a motorcycle.
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Hey Brian - just ordered new WHITE helmet and these: http://www.reflectivedecals.com/checkers.htm

Since I have the black/white themed police bike, I am going with the black/white gear. Black KEVLAR pants from motoport, black/white cowhide winter jacket with armor, just got my black/white/red KEVLAR gloves today, and same colors in mesh summer wear jacket with ARMOR (on order) - all with reflective 3M and will look at boots as soon as my foot is out of its cast!!!
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Hey Brian - just ordered new WHITE helmet and these: http://www.reflectivedecals.com/checkers.htm

Since I have the black/white themed police bike, I am going with the black/white gear. Black KEVLAR pants from motoport, black/white cowhide winter jacket with armor, just got my black/white/red KEVLAR gloves today, and same colors in mesh summer wear jacket with ARMOR (on order) - all with reflective 3M and will look at boots as soon as my foot is out of its cast!!!
Boy, are you ever going to scare folks with that checkered helmet & B&W colors. I'll bet people will slow down to the speed limit when they see you ride by!

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Hey Brian - just ordered new WHITE helmet and these: http://www.reflectivedecals.com/checkers.htm

Since I have the black/white themed police bike, I am going with the black/white gear. Black KEVLAR pants from motoport, black/white cowhide winter jacket with armor, just got my black/white/red KEVLAR gloves today, and same colors in mesh summer wear jacket with ARMOR (on order) - all with reflective 3M and will look at boots as soon as my foot is out of its cast!!!
Well just remember as you travel the fruited plain, not everyone is friendly toward the popo.

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Hey, sorry for the delayed response. Glad to see you're getting on board with the whole visibilty thing. Those stickers look good on the helmet.
Let us know how the new gear works for you.
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Suggest you take a moment and check out the BMW ComfortShell jacket and pants combination... I've followed the principle that protective equipment is only as good as it is comfortable and worn 100% of the time. I have not experienced too many options that combine everything into one package (and waterproof without extra liners) as well as the ComfortShell suit! It is expensive but your story speaks volumes about investing when it comes to safety!
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