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Why Motorcycle Boots?

Honest, I am trying to be an ATGATT rider but I'm puzzled by boots.

I can understand textile and armor in jackets and pants. I get golves and helmets. But why boots? Wouldn't a good pair of hiking boots do just as well? They would keep you dry in most weather. Boots with a Vibram antislip soles will do a good job keeping you standing. Good ankle protection.

I've heard of some horror stories wearing steel toed boots. I would stay away from them for riding.

Is there any reason why not just wear hiking boots over motorcycle specific boots?

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Re: Why Motorcycle Boots?

The reason for MC boots is to cover the ankle, lower leg, and protect the foot from a sideways crush in a get-off. They are usually taller to protect you from the heat of the exhaust or engine on some bikes should your leg get trapped under the bike, and they protect your shins from debris that is picked up from a vehicle in front of you. If your hiking boots can do all that than go for it. Be careful of the shape of the shank in the boot though, cause some boots have a curved shape just in front of the heal and that won't work on the pegs.

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Why Boots .... ?

Because Bugs splattering on your toes hurt less wearing boots than it does wearing sandles

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I personally know 3 people who now walk with a pronounced limp.

After head injuries, ankle injuries are the most common ones suffered by bikers.

As any specialist will confirm, a badly damaged ankle is one of the most difficult joints on the human body to repair.

As far as I am concerned no good motorcycle boot is too expensive.

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No boots....
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No boots....
Ouch! Was that from your trip in Mexico?

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Re: Why Motorcycle Boots?

Most motorcycle specific boots have some sort ot built in ankle protection and shin protection. Soles are usually oil/gas resisitant so as not to slip so easily.

As one who had his feet almost torn off (in my younger days when I didn't wear boots) I am an advocate now. Many...many motorcyclists who wreck wind up barefooted at the end of the crash. Not sure why, but the shoes or even low rise boots seem to come off every time. Amazing.

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No boots....


Wow...Lowe's did a good job!

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No boots....
Is that those new Lowe's Stainless steel Drybone screws?

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Ouch! Was that from your trip in Mexico?
No, I was wearing boots and didn't have any broken bones.

That is the left ankle of a friend of mine. His SV1000 (the pipe) crushed his leg.

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Ted I hope that external fixator was taken off, makes it hard to walk
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Intoxicated doctor?

Gotta wonder if the doc was a little tipsy with the way those screws are put in.

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Gotta wonder if the doc was a little tipsy with the way those screws are put in.
I'll assume that's you're kidding. That bone was crushed and he's lucky that he still has a leg.

It took a long time for the bone to heal and there was the possiblity of a non-union.

If he was older than 25 and not very healthy it would have been much worse...

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I'll assume that's you're kidding.
Thats why I put the smiley on it. Sometimes my dry sense of humor doesn't come off in text very well.

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Re: Why Motorcycle Boots?

I'm not saying no boots- that would be crazy.

I currently own a pair of BMW Airflow boots that cover most of my shin. I own a pair of Asolo and EMS hiking boots. Both sets of hiking boots give me better ankle support than the Airflow. True, no armor but ankle support.

None of these boots will prevent a broken leg. Hell, name a pair that would.

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Cycle boot may have saved my foot

Five weeks ago I was in an accident at dusk on my LT that pinned my right leg under the heavy bike as it slid down the road. I was wearing all my gear (ATGATT). After I got my leg free the bike evidently tumbled head of tea kettle which was destroyed.

When I stopped sliding, all my body was still contained in the riding gear but my right foot was pointing about 90 degrees to the right of my right knee. In the hospital, after they cut the boot from my lower leg and foot I saw that my foot was badly dislocated and it looked like it could have... er... come off! I had not a scratch on my leg and no bones were sticking out. However, I managed to still get four fractures and with plate and screws I am on the mend. The rest of my body did not have a scratch (and my helmet was not touched either).

Point is, I shudder to think what it would have turn out like if I was not wearing cycle boots. This was the first real serious cycle accident ever. Yet, I had decided early on (many decades ago) that if I will not have a cage around me, I will have some body armor if possible. A helmet is a good start (I value my head). I also value my feet (wear boots), my back (something in the coat), my... etc.

Every time I hear of a fellow cycle rider getting hurt on the bike (or worse), I am sad. In many cases, some protective gear would have made a more positive outcome. I consider riding gear - like boots - required equipment.

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Five weeks ago I was in an accident at dusk on my LT that pinned my right leg under the heavy bike as it slid down the road. I was wearing all my gear (ATGATT). After I got my leg free the bike evidently tumbled head of tea kettle which was destroyed.

When I stopped sliding, all my body was still contained in the riding gear but my right foot was pointing about 90 degrees to the right of my right knee. In the hospital, after they cut the boot from my lower leg and foot I saw that my foot was badly dislocated and it looked like it could have... er... come off! I had not a scratch on my leg and no bones were sticking out. However, I managed to still get four fractures and with plate and screws I am on the mend. The rest of my body did not have a scratch (and my helmet was not touched either).

Point is, I shudder to think what it would have turn out like if I was not wearing cycle boots. This was the first real serious cycle accident ever. Yet, I had decided early on (many decades ago) that if I will not have a cage around me, I will have some body armor if possible. A helmet is a good start (I value my head). I also value my feet (wear boots), my back (something in the coat), my... etc.

Every time I hear of a fellow cycle rider getting hurt on the bike (or worse), I am sad. In many cases, some protective gear would have made a more positive outcome. I consider riding gear - like boots - required equipment.

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Ditto here. 30 years ago, crushed ankle, lots of pins and hardware and healed perfectly with no lingering problems all due to the fact (according to the doc) that my motorcycle boot kept it all together and prevented ligament damage, other tissue damage, and compound fracture which would have been worse than the broken bones.

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Thats why I put the smiley on it. Sometimes my dry sense of humor doesn't come off in text very well.
I thought so

His leg will never be the same and it will be years (if ever) he can ride again

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None of these boots will prevent a broken leg. Hell, name a pair that would.
Gaerne SG-10's of course I only wear those on the dirt bike...

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Jon,

Hope you are back on the bike soon.

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Has anyone ever had a crushed ankle coming off a boxer? I've dropped mine probably 3 or 4 times in the past 8 years, but never the remotest potential for ankle being trapped. Lots of scratches on the cylinder head protectors and the side cases, but that's it. I've hurt my wrist more than anything else by landing on it (no break, fortunately).

I always wear good leather boots with additional padding on the ankles anyway. Trying to change gear in any other footwear is just plain wrong!
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No, but Ive seen some bad burns from catalytic exhausts.
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Hope you are back on the bike soon.

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Thanks! Very kind of you.

This Monday, I see the doctor and I'm hoping the hard cast comes off. Somewhere soon after, one of the titanium screws (the longest one) is removed, as well as physical therapy - guess to get everything moving 'normal' again. Then at some point, all the rest of the hardwear comes out because there is normally very little soft tissue to cover the hardwear AND wear (cycle) boots(!).

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Jon,

I was wondering how you were doing. Glad things are going well. I must have missed the thread on you getting your new ride. I know you were looking at several.

If you posted a thread, give me a short cut to it. If you haven't, get your healing butt up to the LT section and tell us about it. You know the rule: A GOOD POST IS WORTHLESS WITOUT PICTURES !

Feel free to include some info on how your insurance handled your claim, was the payoff enough to cover the bike? Get to keep any of your farkles Etc?

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No boots....
That picture is shocking, to say the least. Are there any boots that would come close to preventing that kind of injury?

I wear BMW's Contour boots -- typical of what a lot of us wear. I've always thought thet would provide some impact protection (with shin and ankle armor), and abrasion resistance in the event of a crash, but I don't see them preventing a badly-fractured leg.

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Re: Why Motorcycle Boots?

To answer the original question, my hiking boots don't flex as well as my MC boots, making shifting a tad difficult.

Now I have 3 pair of MC boots depending on various weather conditions.

I think I am all set. I had heard a rider ends up with 3 of everything, and I do. (Only 2 helmets though)
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Re: Why Motorcycle Boots?

I'm not really sure of the benifits of MC boots over other boots. I wear Military Compat boots (steel toe, steel shank) and they are very protective, non-slip bottom, and very comfortable.

What would make motorcycle boots better?

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That picture is shocking, to say the least. Are there any boots that would come close to preventing that kind of injury?

I wear BMW's Contour boots -- typical of what a lot of us wear. I've always thought thet would provide some impact protection (with shin and ankle armor), and abrasion resistance in the event of a crash, but I don't see them preventing a badly-fractured leg.
IMO only GOOD motorcross boots would have prevented that injury and you can't wear those on the street unless you're riding a GS type bike. He was basically wearing tennis shoes. I'm also sure that had he been wearing decent STREET boots, the injury would have been less severe.

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What's up with the Lowe's logo? Did they sponsor your accident?

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What's up with the Lowe's logo? Did they sponsor your accident?
That isn't my leg, see post 10. Our IT guy thought the logo was funny...

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now.. the BIGGEST problem..

finding "MC" boots that FIT...no offense, but they all seem to be made for people with small ...uh... feet.

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now.. the BIGGEST problem..

finding "MC" boots that FIT...no offense, but they all seem to be made for people with small ...uh... feet.
I agree. I wear a 12EEEE and can not find any that fit.

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Big Travel Boots ?.

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I agree. I wear a 12EEEE and can not find any that fit.
You know what they say about guys with big feet??...
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Re: Why Motorcycle Boots?

I personally know 3 people who now walk with a pronounced limp.
After head injuries, ankle injuries are the most common ones suffered by bikers.
As any specialist will confirm, a badly damaged ankle is one of the most difficult joints on the human body to repair.
As far as I am concerned no good motorcycle boot is too expensive.

From personal experience, both ankles fractured when I got hit wearing good Sidi street boots and ATGATT. No other injuries. I now only wear "Racing" boots like the Vertigo Corsa. Forget style, my ankles were repaired ok- very fortunate. I'm a GS rider and I don't care how silly racing boots look, they have exceptional ankle protection....and proven protection record.

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Re: Why Motorcycle Boots?

Since the subject is boots, anybody know of a source for boots in [u]wide[/b] sizes?
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[i]I personally know... I don't care how silly racing boots look, they have exceptional ankle protection....and proven protection record. [/b]

So, Bob, how are they for walking? What about "dress" occassions? As a deacon there are times I may need that feature... but it won't matter much if I am not able to walk..

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....Many...many motorcyclists who wreck wind up barefooted at the end of the crash. Not sure why, but the shoes or even low rise boots seem to come off every time. Amazing.
Hey Jack! The speed of your moving body (feet) against the pavement (friction) literally "rips" shoes right off. High risers fare much better at staying on when contacting the pavement.
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now.. the BIGGEST problem..

finding "MC" boots that FIT...no offense, but they all seem to be made for people with small ...uh... feet.
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I agree. I wear a 12EEEE and can not find any that fit.
More specifically, if you have WIDE feet!

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You know what they say about guys with big feet??...
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Jon, best wishes for a speedy and full recovery!

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Finding wide boots is a problem, but I think it is just as difficult to find a company that makes narrow sizes, any suggestions.

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Finding wide boots is a problem, but I think it is just as difficult to find a company that makes narrow sizes, any suggestions.
Welcome to the madness, RCC! Absent finding any narrow sizes, try reg width but with extra thick socks. Under armour and/or 5.11 Tactical makes #2 or "Winter" socks. Generally, they add bulk to the sock with a wool or heavy cotton blend. But, do not exceed 50% wool or cotton because it holds in too much moisture (not enough "wicking"). Hopefully that little extra thickness will help you fit your boot.

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Finding wide boots is a problem, but I think it is just as difficult to find a company that makes narrow sizes, any suggestions.
RCC, I am with you. I have a 13 B foot. I can sometimes get away with the regular D width but I am in South Texas so I do not put on thick socks oe very seldom get to use winter socks. I have found that it takes me a long time to try on boots that will work but do not give up. Just keep trying them on and finally you will find a pair that fit OK.

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I hear you, I need a 12B. Trying them on is also a problem, I live in central WI and not many locations nearby to try things on, so I was hoping to find some possibly on line. I'll keep trying.

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Re: Why Motorcycle Boots?

I have narrow feet and after years of frustration found that I can wear the Frank Thomas Aqua boot with an insert "Powersteps." Got the boots at CycleGear (there's a storefront in Austin) and the "Powersteps" I got at a "running shoe" store (RunTex). To date I haven't found a Motorcycle boot that comes in a narrow width. Still looking, the aqua's are getting old.

Hiking boots are better than sandals or tennis shoes. but lugs tend to catch on things and prevent free movement, lack the kevlar ankle shield & shin guard of riding boots.

Local DPS trooper told me avoid steel toes (they use kevlar or other flexible reinforcement now). Doctors say it's easier to save crushed toes than to reattach toes cut off by the back end of the steel toe.

The bike boots aren't bad for walking short to mid distance, but I carry a pair of shoes if I intend to do a lot of walking.

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Altgberg Boots

Not cheap but they will alter them to fit and can be returned if they do not fit. You can also return them for refurbishment after you have worn them out and it only costs about 30 GBP. I have a pair of Continental Tourers with Gortex type lining - very comfy. Very highly reccomended.

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I agree. I wear a 12EEEE and can not find any that fit.
I wear size 14 and can relate. I found some Icon street boots. No chin protection and took a while to break in, now the are very comfy, plant my feet solid to the ground, and they are great to walk in. Cheap too, about $90
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I wear size 15....50-51 in Euro size. Here are a couple of links to check out......large sizes and custom M/C boots

http://www.russellmoccasin.com/boots...ycle_menu.html
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Just wanted to let everyone know, I appreciate the responses to my questions about finding narrow boots. It was the first time I have posted a question, but I am sure it will not be the last. I am checking out the various replies I received. Thanks again

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