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post #1 of 10 Old May 21st, 2019, 11:40 am Thread Starter
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I can see clearly..not. Foggy Helmets

I am looking for the collective wisdom from this venerable group.

We are currently touring in Germany and we have had three full days of heavy persistent rain. Not seeing where you are going is not fun and dangerous.

I have a Shoei Neotec. My wife has a Shoei Multitec. Both have visor inserts. Both fog to the point that we cannot see clearly when it rains.

Neither visor can open a little (unlike my previous Arai) to permit more ventilation without letting in rain. We have to crack open the visors to their first point to clear the fogging. This allows rain to run down the inside of the visors from the top, thus compounding the problem. We now have droplets inside, droplets outside and also on the RT windshield. Dotty foggy limited vision!

I sent my helmet back to Shoei. They put sponge foam in the ventilation holes in the top of the helmet, tightened the adjusters to pull the visor closer to the helmet and said it was fine. “Riding will allow air in through the vents which will clear the fogging. “

It doesn’t. And of course when stopped the problem increases.

Is this just a Shoei problem ? (It is supposed to be a premium product). Are other helmets better or worse? Has anyone got any tips or tricks to get vision in the wet or do we just have to become fair weather riders??!
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post #2 of 10 Old May 21st, 2019, 1:22 pm
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Re: I can see clearly..not. Foggy Helmets

I have this issue sometimes with my Shoei. I just lift the visor up and re-seat the pinlock (push it up a little). Stops the fogging.
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I suggest you try an aftermarket insert that actually seals the outer edges to the back of the face shield. I used to use Fog City with great results in my Shoei helmets.
https://www.thevisorshop.com/en/us/F...kaAnASEALw_wcB

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I have a new Neotec 2 that has this issue. I should not need the pinlock in warmer weather, but it fogs way worse than my Arai ever did. I am looking for a fix. I get the issue on my RT, and on my Ducati!
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I suggest you try an aftermarket insert that actually seals the outer edges to the back of the face shield. I used to use Fog City with great results in my Shoei helmets.

https://www.thevisorshop.com/en/us/F...kaAnASEALw_wcB


Many thanks We both have and use Pinlock visor inserts but still have the problem. It fogs. We open to vent to see. Rain slides down inside over the inner visor and and the Pinlock and the problem increases again.......
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Many thanks We both have and use Pinlock visor inserts but still have the problem. It fogs. We open to vent to see. Rain slides down inside over the inner visor and and the Pinlock and the problem increases again.......
If your pinlock is properly installed you shouldn't be getting any fog inside it. I suspect it is not sealing against the inside of your shield properly, allowing moisture to get between it and your face shield. You should be able to adjust the tension between your visor and the pinlock. I would start there.

One thing you might try to improve your visibility is RainX on both your visor and the windshield. With RainX on my visor all I have to do is move my head a bit to one side to catch a bit of the windstream; it takes the water right off.
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Re: I can see clearly..not. Foggy Helmets

I had the Multitech, and I had that same issue. However, Shoei gave it a complete tune-up with one of their service vans, and it became almost a new helmet.

However a couple of years down the lane, the Pinlock insert was not fitting properly, so it needed adjusting regularly.

As I wanted D rings I switched to Arai. Bad move, no longer could I have the visor open a crack, the Pinlock fasteners cannot be adjusted, also the Pinlock drops and requires reseating. Premium product? Give me the Shoei, at least it fitted my head perfectly! I will be switching back when it is time to replace (or I feel I can justify it!)

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If your pinlock is properly installed you shouldn't be getting any fog inside it. I suspect it is not sealing against the inside of your shield properly, allowing moisture to get between it and your face shield. You should be able to adjust the tension between your visor and the pinlock. I would start there.

One thing you might try to improve your visibility is RainX on both your visor and the windshield. With RainX on my visor all I have to do is move my head a bit to one side to catch a bit of the windstream; it takes the water right off.
On the original face shield that cam with my C3Pro one of the pinlock posts was in the form of a cam, you turned the post to tighten the pinlock shield. When I replaced my C3Pro main visor with a Schuberth replacement the pinlock posts were NOT adjustable and there is a gap between the Pinlock shield and the main shield.

In my case I place the blame on the replacement MAIN Shield from Schuberth. Anyone know where I can get a main shield with adjustable pinlock posts?

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I apply some foam shaving cream inside my visors after cleaning them.
A little and wipe until it’s gone, don’t fog up a small travel can last a long time.
Try it on bathroom mirror and run hot water in sink no fogging..
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pinlock visors are the way to go!
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