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Good Helmet For Comm System

Hi,

I've never worn a full face helmet before, but am considering one so I can ride safely atop my new LT, and I've got a ton of questions:

Is there one helmet that is "the" helmet to get for use with a communication system?

Are there any full face helmets with speakers/microphones pre-installed? Is that a good option, or is it better to pick and choose the components?

My bike is an '06 K1200LT, and the communciation system is the one that comes with the bike.

What features do you consider as "must haves" for a full face helmet.


Thanks.
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Is there one helmet that is "the" helmet to get for use with a communication system? - More important than how easy a comm system headset installs into a helmet, is the fit of the helmet to your head. If the helmet is not comfortable enough to wear for hours, or days, what good is it? having said that, I love the Nolan helmets. Either the N100E, or N102 should fit your head...and headsets install very easily into them.

Are there any full face helmets with speakers/microphones pre-installed? Is that a good option, or is it better to pick and choose the components? - Yes there are...but I would never go this route.

What features do you consider as "must haves" for a full face helmet. - Now that I've owned my first flip-up full-face helmet, I will never go back to a non-flip helmet. I'll be buying a new Nolan next spring.

Thanks. - You're welcome.
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Hi,

I've never worn a full face helmet before, but am considering one so I can ride safely atop my new LT, and I've got a ton of questions:

Is there one helmet that is "the" helmet to get for use with a communication system?

Are there any full face helmets with speakers/microphones pre-installed? Is that a good option, or is it better to pick and choose the components?

My bike is an '06 K1200LT, and the communciation system is the one that comes with the bike.
What features do you consider as "must haves" for a full face helmet.

Thanks.
I have to disagree with Messenger 13. J&M offers the Arai Profile with the headset installed. Arai is much more expensive than Nolan, but you get what you pay for in a helmet.


Here is the link:

http://www.jmcorp.com/Arai-Clampless.htm


You would have to buy the lower cords separately from your BMW dealer.


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I have to disagree with Messenger 13. J&M offers the Arai Profile with the headset installed. Arai is much more expensive than Nolan, but you get what you pay for in a helmet.
And if his head doesn't fit the Arai properly, should he still buy it anyway?
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pre fitted helmets

I moved from an Aria QuatumF to a BMW system 4 which was nice. I am now on a System 5 helmet which is available with Bluetooth pre installed which would be nice but expensive. As Joe said get a helmet that fits is more important than intercom as most can be retrofitted. Of course as you cannot buy BMW helmets on your side of the pond this post is of no use to most of you ;-/

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Thank You

I can appreciate the "fit" comments. I once had a 3/4 helmet, with a comm set for my Ultra. That helmet never felt quite right from the moment I put it on, but it was for sale, and my financial officer thought it was too good to pass up. The result was the helmet, after many modifications, sits somewhere in the garage used.

I am going see if there are any local dealers that carry the Nolan and Arai helments, and try them both.

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And if his head doesn't fit the Arai properly, should he still buy it anyway?
Well, Joe...I sure don't know which helmet would fit him best. I guess you have seen his head.

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"Now that I've owned my first flip-up full-face helmet, I will never go back to a non-flip helmet. I'll be buying a new Nolan next spring."

I've never seen any studies regarding the relative safety of a flip-up full face helmet versus a full face helmet. Since the whole purpose of wearing a helmet is to protect your head I think your comments are based soley on convenience factors versus safety. For me that's a very weak reason to purchase a helmet - no matter what the brand.

All I can say is that based on my gut instinct (and the fact that I have landed on my face on pavement and survived while wearing a full face helmet) I would think that the protection afforded by a flip-up full face helmet is somewhere between a 3/4 and full face. More parts/hinges/components almost ALWAYS lead to more potential failure points and a less protective structure.

It is evident that the "leading" helmet manufacturers have been building helmets that are way too hard - allowing your head to bounce off pavement like a golf ball. Paradoxically, the off brand junk from China and Korea - by virtue of their inexpensive and technologically inferior parts and materials - allow more absorbtion of G forces since they are softer. They are indeed BETTER at doing the number one job: keeping your brain from violently slamming into your skull.

The whole idea of helmets is to reduce G forces, period. Buying a helmet for looks, graphics, convenience features, ventilation and yes - even fit (since it is relatively easy to modify the liners of most helmets produced during the last several years to get a comfortable fit) is secondary.


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Hi,

I've never worn a full face helmet before, but am considering one so I can ride safely atop my new LT, and I've got a ton of questions:

Is there one helmet that is "the" helmet to get for use with a communication system?

Are there any full face helmets with speakers/microphones pre-installed? Is that a good option, or is it better to pick and choose the components?

My bike is an '06 K1200LT, and the communciation system is the one that comes with the bike.

What features do you consider as "must haves" for a full face helmet.

Thanks.
Here's what you need - you just can't have it - YET. I would not waste my money on anything until something like this comes out, my bet is we are about one to two years away from seeing it (and competitors) in the US marketplace:

http://www.gizmag.com/go/3246/
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Here's what you need - you just can't have it - YET. I would not waste my money on anything until something like this comes out, my bet is we are about one to two years away from seeing it (and competitors) in the US marketplace:

http://www.gizmag.com/go/3246/
Thanks, looks great, but in the meantime, I do believe a fullface helmet is the next thing I should purchase.

Didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest, but I suppose when the subjective outweighs the objective, that is the natural result, and for the most part the choice of helmet is a subjective one.

But, it never hurts to hear from people whose heads are still intact (The Nolan crowd, etc.) .
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I think you need to read this - the entire article - before you plunk down your hard earned money on a new helmet. Guaranteed to put you to sleep, but you need to study it since we're going to have a pop quiz tomorrow morning on helmets!

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ge...helmet_review/

(I've got a new 2 new Schuberths on order to replace my three year old Arai's... I really hate to spend $1300.00 on new helmets, but then again, like the old Bell Star ad from the early seventies said: "If your head is worth $50, then buy a $50 helmet" or something like that... )


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For me the best for all day comfort is the HJC AC-3. The ear pockets are deep enough that the speakers don't touch you ears.
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For me the best for all day comfort is the HJC AC-3. The ear pockets are deep enough that the speakers don't touch you ears.
A similar model, the AC 11 placed next to last in the G force rating at 194, not good...


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My wife and I purchased Nolan N100E helmets this year. We love the fit and the flip-up design is great for riders who wear glasses. As for the safety, they lock down securely and I do not see any reason why they would compromise safety in the unfortunate event that you should need the protection.

Since we did not want to spend $660 for headsets from BMW, I bought the IMC headsets for $80 each (total $168 with s&h for both sets) from Sierra Electronics and we love them. I took me about 15 minutes each to install. The voice and music quality is great and they come with the lower cord included in the above price. One very nice feature is that the speakers are very thin and I did not have to do any modification to the lining, I just stuck the velcro to the lining over the ear recess and they are very comfortable.

I recommend trying on several different manufacturers helmets as they are like riding clothes, sizes vary widely. Then check the internet for the best deal once you have decided on the helmet and size. IMHO, Shoei and Arai helmets have always been overpriced without additional safety benefits, but if one of those is the best fit, go with it.

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European helmets

After reading Ron's comment about the strength of Flip front helmets like the System 5 that i have I had a look round the web. The BMW helmet meets ECE R 22/05 standard which applies to both open face and Full face helmets but full face helmets have to survive a fall onto a steel anvil from a
height of 155 cm
www.helmetharbor.com/pdf_files/ What%20is%20inside%20a%20Shoei%20Brochure.pdf

What is not clear, but implied form BMW literature is that you must wear it closed but can convert it into an open face by fitting the Jet kit - anything in between is not right, therefore suggesting that it meets both full face and open standards.

This site gives abetter description of the system 5
cannon-bmw.co.uk/cannon/htm/BMW_SystemV_Bluetooth.htm

For a stunning looking helmet look at the ultimate helmet on
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After reading Ron's comment about the strength of Flip front helmets like the System 5 that i have I had a look round the web. The BMW helmet meets ECE R 22/05 standard which applies to both open face and Full face helmets but full face helmets have to survive a fall onto a steel anvil from a
height of 155 cm
www.helmetharbor.com/pdf_files/ What%20is%20inside%20a%20Shoei%20Brochure.pdf

What is not clear, but implied form BMW literature is that you must wear it closed but can convert it into an open face by fitting the Jet kit - anything in between is not right, therefore suggesting that it meets both full face and open standards.

This site gives abetter description of the system 5
cannon-bmw.co.uk/cannon/htm/BMW_SystemV_Bluetooth.htm

For a stunning looking helmet look at the ultimate helmet on
http://cannon-bmw.co.uk/cannon/htm/equipment.htm
Oh... My.... God...........!

That's $1600.00 for ONE HELMET! (delivery included in the UK)

Makes those two Schuberth's I've got ordered look inexpensive......


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IIRC, Coni has the Carbon Fiber helmet. She says the light weight makes a huge difference, which I assume would also be beneficial in an unplanned get-off.

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I use the HJC CL-Max flip ups.

I install a headset from a number of places in them my self.

Once you flip, you will never go back!

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Oh... My.... God...........!

That's $1600.00 for ONE HELMET! (delivery included in the UK)

Makes those two Schuberth's I've got ordered look inexpensive......
Yeah, but it's helmet and wireless intercom all wrapped up into one. LOL!!!


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I have to disagree with Messenger 13. J&M offers the Arai Profile with the headset installed. Arai is much more expensive than Nolan, but you get what you pay for in a helmet.


Here is the link:

http://www.jmcorp.com/Arai-Clampless.htm


You would have to buy the lower cords separately from your BMW dealer.


My 2 cents,

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I second the J&M helmet. Assuming you can find one of thier models that fit your head (and you like it), having everything come ready is nice. The quality of my J&M has been great. A true plug and play.

I would never buy a helmet without first trying it on. J&M (like a few others) offer a full refund within a time period. I sent my first helmet back to J&M after about 2 weeks, and they sent me another one size (cross ship).
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Figure I'd chime back in since I started this thread

After trying just about every flip/fullface helmet made (well, nearly), the only helmet that fit my weird shaped head was the Schuberth C2. It was the last helmet I tried on, and as soon as I put it on, I knew it was the helmet for me.

Went to several stores to try on as many helmets as I could, and the Schuberth C2, did it.

I usually like to but things locally, but the shop that had the Schuberth was asking an astronomical price, and they didn't have the color I wanted (white), so I ended up getting it on line.

Thanks to all who contributed to my knowledge of helmets.

Now that I've got the helmet, I'll be popping over to the intercom forum to find out what will work best with the helmet.
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