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Re: Scotland 2015.

For those interested, I had published the video compilation of my day 3 part 2 ride. The final part of day 3 ride is being worked on, and if you think the single-track roads on Islay were narrow, you need to see the part 3 video, when I am done!


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Re: Scotland 2015.

I had just published the last part, part 3, of my day 3 Scotland Ride. More rain, and miles upon miles of riding on tiny garden path roads that they call single-track road in rural highlands!


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I had just published another video of my ride in Scotland. This is the first part of Day 4 ride, which starts with an early start from Glenuig Inn and onto Mallaig to catch the ferry to the Isle of Skye. See how easy it is to end up riding on the wrong side of the highway, if your conscious mind isn't on the road!

I am working on part 2, which will give you some sense of riding the RT on the narrowest single-track road that I had ridden on!


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Re: Scotland 2015.

I had just published part 2 of my Scotland day 4 ride. This has to be the narrowest single-track road that I had experienced up to that point! I think that the paved sidewalk in front of my house is wider than this road!


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One more Scotland video compilation posted on YouTube! Part 3 of day 4 ride, which took me down to the tiny Kylerhea Ferry to cross back to the mainland across the narrowest gap between Skye and the Scottish mainland. More single-track road, and a tight squeeze with a driver that had no common sense!


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Re: Scotland 2015.

I had just published another of my Scotland ride video compilation. This is part 4 of day 4 ride. More narrow single-track roads, and some fine landscape scenery.


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I had just published my day 4, part 5 of my Scotland Ride on YouTube. This is the ride over the famed Bealach na Ba (Trail of The Cattle). If you go ove to ride in Scotland, this is a MUST!


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Another ride video compilation Published! This one is the first part of day 5:


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One more Scotland Ride Video compilation published. This is part 2 of day 5 ride - from Kinlochewe to Loch Ewe.:


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Another YouTube video ride segment published. This is Day 5 part 3:


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One more video segment published on YouTube. Day 5 part 4:


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Another Scotland ride video segment published! Day 5 part 5, the second to last part of day 5 ride. More single track road.


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One more ride video segment published! This is day 5 part 6, the last part for that day. More single-track road and a couple of "close encounters" with big campers on the same very narrow section of the single-track road!


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One more Scotland Ride video published. This is Day 6 video compilation. This one is a bit short because I had very few video clips recorded on this particular day.

Narrow roads? If you think that the single-track roads that I had ridden, up to this point, are narrow, then you have to watch this one! More than 40 miles of the narrowest road that I had ever been on, and not a single "passing place" along the whole length! To top it off, I had to pass a couple of cars and a van, going in the opposite direction, and I am not counting the lone motorcyclist that I had passed much earlier on! (Only a portion of the 40+ miles is in the video compilation).

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Thanks for sharing, love these videos Helps me to live vicariously for now.


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Thanks for sharing, love these videos Helps me to live vicariously for now.
It's a pleasure! I want to get back there one of these days!

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Another Scotland ride video published! The first part of day 7, the final day of the rides. It turned out that I was lost, or at least led astray by the GPS, and this video compilation had me well off my pre-planned route by many, many miles, without my realizing it at the time! It turned out to be very nice though!



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And another Scotland ride video published! Getting near the end now. This is day 7, part 2. Loch Tay is a long and very picturesque loch. The video doesn't do it justice, but this ride is along the north shore of Loch Tay.



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One more Scotland ride video published! Day 7, part 3. Ride from the lower end of Loch Tay to the upper end of Loch Earn.



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The last part of the last day of my ride in Scotland have just been published! Some "spirited" rides on nice two-lanes road in this clip! The camera's battery ran out at the end of this clip, which was expected, but I was still a long way from Edinburgh at that point.



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Just returned from a wonderful seven days ride around (literally) Scotland. I will use this post as a marker, and I will be posting ride details as I compile them from memory and helmet-cam video into words, over the next couple of weeks.

I have been wanting to visit Scotland for many years now, and what is a better way to be one with the area than to ride my favorite motorcycle around and be truly one with the countryside! I had started looking seriously to making this trip around last September, and made the commitment to reserve an RT for rental, by December.

For those who might have been thinking about visiting Scotland to ride, I can highly recommend that you go ahead and do so. The ride will test your skills of motorcycle riding in every ways imaginable! This first post will give you some clues as to what kind of riding you will find over there, and some advice on preparations of gear, and the kind of weather that you can expect.

Foremost - make sure that you look at the post that I had entered under "Dealer Experience". My recommendation is to stay away from those guys!

Weather - my research had indicated that I should expect wet/damp weather, and that was not wrong! The best chance for reasonably good weather is to be found during the month of May and June, and so I elected for the early part of June. The temperature for the whole 10 days that I was there was decidedly cool - 45 deg.F to not much above 55 deg.F.

Gears - every motorcyclist in Scotland wore ATGATT, and hi-viz color jackets are very popular. DO take rain gear, but avoid the small mistake that I made. I usually ride with mesh riding over-pant and my main jacket is a Motoport Kevlar Mesh 3/4 length jacket with liners zipped in as appropriate. Those liners were excellent, and I had always been very comfortable using them. However, for this trip, I didn't want to pack such a bulky jacket, and so I had bought a relatively inexpensive Tourmaster mesh jacket, thinking that it will be good for the peak of the summer here later, and the water/windproof liner of this jacket should be fine for use in the wet weather that I might encounter in Scotland. Not a good decision. The less expensive jackets have liner that might be water/windproof but it was not breathable, and if you overheat easily the way that I do, you will soon find yourself somewhat wet under the liner! "Performance" undergarments helps, but they can't wick away that much moisture, and I felt a little uncomfortable for the whole trip.

Roads - of course, they drive/ride on the left over there. Be sure to always be vigilante. Before going, I thought that it's going to be easy to stay left, and in general it was......until my conscious attention lapse by some distractions, and I had found myself on the wrong side of the road a couple of times. This happens when making right turn, and so I took to reciting to myself at every right turn intersections "turn right, go to the other side!" and that seem to work!

There are speed camera all over the place, and as pointed out to me here, before I left for the trip, that "average speed" camera are gaining popularity and are widely used on the highspeed sections of their highway. Quite frankly, I like the idea of those camera over the instant speed ones! The "average speed" cameras are clearly visible and marked. The idea is that is you go under them, they take a photo of your vehicle, and there will be another set of cameras a few miles further down the highway that will do the same again. If the time that it takes you to go from one set of camera to the next is shorter than a calculated value, then you will get a speeding ticket. IMO, this is good because there are times when one might knowingly exceed the speed limit (like passing), where an instant speed camera will nab you, but with the "average speed" camera, you have the chance to slow down so that your average speed for the distance is within limits! BTW, whenever speed cameras are used, there are big signs to warn you of the fact.

In Scotland, you can be riding on a major 4-lanes highway with speed limit of 70 mph, for many miles, to find (with ample warnings) that the road narrows down to 2-lanes highway with 60 mph speed limit, and further on the road will narrow still with the same speed limit....and then the whole thing turns into "single-track" road....with the same 60 mph speed limit! No, they are not crazy over there, but they do expect you to be rational in your driving/riding! Motorists over there are very polite and considerate in their general driving, and are more conscious or motorcyclist than drivers on this side of the pond! Filtering is legal in the UK, and I had experienced that on my first day. Here is a picture snapshot from my helmet-cam, and you should note how the other vehicles keeps far righ in the right lane, and far left in the left lane to allow us, the motorcyclist, to filter through!



If you are going to ride in Scotland, you WILL encounter "single-track" roads, and you need to learn the rules for using those roads. These are very narrow roads, with traffic going in both directions. Traffic means big trucks, campers, cars along with our little 2-wheels bike. The following is what I consider to be a typical single-track road. Note the logging truck in front. I could have encountered it coming in the opposite direction.....and actually had at some points. Note also the passing place to the right:



The next picture is of the narrowest single-track road that I was on, and this one had no room even for a single passing place! I think I was on this road for about 22 miles, and had to maneuver past a motorcycle, a Rang Rover, a small van, and another car, all going in the opposite direction along the 22 miles stretch!



Oh, yeah.....and the sheep! Can't forget the sheep!!!
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We (me, my wife, sister and brother-in-law) just returned from 15 days in the UK of which 14 were spent riding. I probably won't post a full ride report as you covered things very thoroughly. Much of our experience paralleled yours. We did have a much better dealer experience, but not as good as in Thun, Switzerland, and I will post on that in the dealer forum.

We started in London mainly to use West Sussex rather than the dealer you used in Edinburgh based in a large degree on your experience. Also, I wanted to visit Chester as I lived there for several months on work assignment at the start of my engineering career.

I think we rode some of the same roads as you, but I haven't been able to coerce Basecamp into overlaying your route on mine. The Basecamp help says you can select multiple items using ctrl-click, but that doesn't work on my Mac version at least not with routes.

Anyway, we had a great time and Scotland and Wales were great riding, but England not so much other thsn the Lake District which we rode in rain. However, still doesn't compare to our Alps trip, either in scenery, roads or dealer experience. But, definitely a ride worth putting on your bucket list. We are now thinking about Ireland or maybe New Zealand.

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We (me, my wife, sister and brother-in-law) just returned from 15 days in the UK of which 14 were spent riding. I probably won't post a full ride report as you covered things very thoroughly. Much of our experience paralleled yours. We did have a much better dealer experience, but not as good as in Thun, Switzerland, and I will post on that in the dealer forum.

We started in London mainly to use West Sussex rather than the dealer you used in Edinburgh based in a large degree on your experience. Also, I wanted to visit Chester as I lived there for several months on work assignment at the start of my engineering career.

I think we rode some of the same roads as you, but I haven't been able to coerce Basecamp into overlaying your route on mine. The Basecamp help says you can select multiple items using ctrl-click, but that doesn't work on my Mac version at least not with routes.

Anyway, we had a great time and Scotland and Wales were great riding, but England not so much other thsn the Lake District which we rode in rain. However, still doesn't compare to our Alps trip, either in scenery, roads or dealer experience. But, definitely a ride worth putting on your bucket list. We are now thinking about Ireland or maybe New Zealand.
Hey, glad to see that you guys had a good trip! Don't tell me that they don't have good dealers over there, because I would have used the one that you used, if I was to return for another ride!

I am not familiar with Basecamp on IOS, but in my version on my PC, the routes (all of them, if within the same area) will show up highlighted on the map, even if you hadn't selected any. Selecting one will make that route brighter, and the others will still show in their respective highlight colors (if you had different colors selected for different routes, as I did). I am very sure that you must have been on at least some of the same roads that I had ridden! How did you like the single-track road system?

Funny that you should mention NZ! I am thinking about getting back there next year! That is where I grew up, went to school and finished my engineering degree at Canterbury University. It is also funny that I had remained in touch with many of my friends from grade school, and I need to get back to see them again. I would love to rent an RT over there, but boy, the rental cost is very expensive! Great riding over there. That is the place where I started my motorcycling, in the early '60s! May be I will run into you and your wife there next year!!

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Just a beautiful and ethereal area. Roads were amazing. I was in England and Scotland during this past Easter 2016 and was not prepared for the historical reverence I was feeling. I have traveled extensively to the far east but was truly amazed at Europe. AND the damn traffic in Edinburgh... Yes, I did enjoy the Scotch distillary visit too!! LOL....
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Hey, glad to see that you guys had a good trip! Don't tell me that they don't have good dealers over there, because I would have used the one that you used, if I was to return for another ride!

I am not familiar with Basecamp on IOS, but in my version on my PC, the routes (all of them, if within the same area) will show up highlighted on the map, even if you hadn't selected any. Selecting one will make that route brighter, and the others will still show in their respective highlight colors (if you had different colors selected for different routes, as I did). I am very sure that you must have been on at least some of the same roads that I had ridden! How did you like the single-track road system?

Funny that you should mention NZ! I am thinking about getting back there next year! That is where I grew up, went to school and finished my engineering degree at Canterbury University. It is also funny that I had remained in touch with many of my friends from grade school, and I need to get back to see them again. I would love to rent an RT over there, but boy, the rental cost is very expensive! Great riding over there. That is the place where I started my motorcycling, in the early '60s! May be I will run into you and your wife there next year!!
Well, out trip to the Alps was in 2013 and it took three years to save up for the UK. If we ride New Zealand, it almost certainly won't be next year, but I look forward to your ride report!

Our experience with West Sussex wasn't terrible by any means and the basics were just fine. It was the smaller stuff that they simply don't pay much attention to. I may have just been spoiled by a great experience with Moto-Center Thun who sweated the small stuff as well as the big.
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