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post #1 of 28 Old Apr 28th, 2011, 7:32 pm Thread Starter
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R1200R vs R1200Rt

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I test drove a R1200RT and it was great, however a bit slow for me.. So, I discarded the R1200R as an option.. But I just read a review saying how fast and zippy the new R1200R is (2006+).. Does anyone have any experience with this? I thought it was the same engine?? I know the R1200RT is heavier, but could it be THAT much heavier?? Is the engine different or setup different?

I love the look it, and I'm concerned about wind protection, but I imagine there are some good windshields out there?
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Two Saturdays ago I pick up a R1200R Classic. I moved up from a 2005 Honda VTX 1300. The Honda weighed 685 lbs wet rated at 68 hp, The 1200R is 502 lbs wet with a rated 110 hp. So far all I can say is wow. The acceleration and handling are superior in so many ways to the Honda. My biggest complaint is the windshield. I ordered a Cal Sci windshield and it was delivered to my house in 2 days. I'm still waiting for the bracket from BMW. Hopefully I'll receive it soon. In the first week after I bought the bike I put over 925 miles on it. That should give you some idea as to how much fun this bike is to ride. One night I wanted to see how the lighting (headlight & instrument cluster) was at night. My plan was to go 12 miles west and turnaround and come home. Over two hours later I returned home with over 130 miles on the bike. This weekend we're headed on a 1,200 mile round trip, I'll post an update after that

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Wow! That's very cool.
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Beware of taking a test ride on the R1200R !

You have been duly warned !
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Two Saturdays ago I pick up a R1200R Classic. I moved up from a 2005 Honda VTX 1300. The Honda weighed 685 lbs wet rated at 68 hp, The 1200R is 502 lbs wet with a rated 110 hp. So far all I can say is wow.

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It is really hard to explain the difference between a cruiser and a BMW! You have to ride them to experience it.Now you know why my HD hasn't gotten many miles on it since I got the RT. I've had it seven months now and the newness hasn't worn off it yet! I had it into Iron Horse yesterday for the 6K service and I was going through withdrawal symptoms!

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I owned a R1200RT for five years and never was comfortable with the weight, top heavy feel and consequently the difficult low speed handling characteristics. If you have long legs and can flatfoot the RT, you may be OK, but the RT is not made for those of us who are cursed with short inseams. I put about 17,000 miles on the RT in the five years I owned it and dreaded any movement at low speed or when stopped, lest I invite a tipover.

In Feb 2010, I purchased a R1200R because I wanted a bike without the fairing which makes for great wind protection on the RT, but miserable riding in the hot and humid summers where I live, in North Carolina. I have logged about 8,500 miles on the R1200R in only 14 months.

The wow factor is certainly there with this bike. It is basically an RT without the fairing, and the extra weight. Although there is only about 80 pounds extra weight on the RT, it feels like 200 pounds because the R1200R is so much more nimble, quicker and easier to handle, especially at low speeds.

The R1200R can be used as a touring bike. I have a 24 inch Cee Baileys windshield installed on mine and I get plenty of wind protection. The side cases and top cases are the same as the RT, so you don't lose any luggage capacity with the R1200R.

Where the RT is more angular in shape and can be recognized as a BMW mainly by the kidney shaped front grill, the R1200R is more rounded like the old BMW roadsters. The R1200R looks like the heritage bikes from BMW. The round headlight, steel tank and tubular handle bars definitely show its ancestry.

You have been warned. Do not test ride this bike, unless you want to inflict serious damage to your checkbook! Many of us have fallen victim to the best kept secret that BMW has in its bike line. The R1200R is probably the best all around bike that BMW makes.

Visit the R1200R forum and you will find many stories about this bike from its satisfied owners.

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I don't have a lot of experience with a lot of bikes, over the years I've ridden a Suzuki 650, a Yamaha TTR225, a Honda VTX 1300, and now the 2011 R1200R. I've had it three weeks now and I'm approaching 2,000 miles. This Friday thru Monday, I joined a memorial ride call "Ride for Ryan". We home based out of Prescott AZ, and drove thru northern AZ, to include Sedona, Jerome, South Rim of the Grand Canyon, and Oak Tree Canyon. I got home with 1,007 miles on for the weekend. Needless to say I'm still so impressed with the bike I find myself getting it ready to ride to work tomorrow. I look for reasons to ride this bike, it's just so [email protected]#$ much fun. On the way to Jerome AZ, there is a stretch of road called AZ89A. The t-shirts in Jerome say "I Survived the 153 curves in 12 miles". The road is fantastic. Go to Google maps and enter Jerome AZ. Check it out for yourself! My point is I rode that route four times this weekend. As I grew more confident in my abilities with my new bike, I got better all the time. I quickly learned this bike is more advanced than anything I've ever ridden and its a very forgiving bike. It handled the turns like a dream and adding acceleration mid point thru the turn just glued the rear of the bike to the road. Wow! The only qualm I have with the bike is the small sport windshield. We had temps down to 38 degrees and a full sized windshield would really have been neat. I have a new Cal Sci windshield in the garage but BMW has yet to make a tall windshield bracket for the 2011. Latest check with my dealer states 4 July as a delivery date. The heated hand grips I swore I'd never use in AZ, came in really handy this weekend. Bottomline: This is the most fun I've had on a bike ever. I plan on adding another couple 100 of miles this weekend. My advice: Ride them both if you can find one. Last week Ironhorse BMW in Tucson had a used 2009 R1200R.

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Hey Skip:

Next farkle you need is some Gerbings or Warm-n-Safe electric liners for your jacket. That solves the cold problem nicely even with the low windscreen. Before I added the tall CalSci to my RR, the electrics and putting on the rain gear over the Motoport Airmesh II Kevlar gear made for a perfect setup for serious cold into the low 20's.

How do you like the way the RR leans into the curves above Jerome when you think about the turn?

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The way things are heating up here in Tucson I won't need anything until fall. Hopefully, Iron Horse and BMW USA will have my high windshield bracket by then and then I cam mount my new Cal Sci.

About the turns in Jerome....It was like the bike was doing all the work. Glad I was riding in a group, might have pushed the turns a lot harder than I did. Bike can handle it, just don't know if I could. As I ride the bike more I'm learning it will ALWAYS have capabilities above how far I'm willing to push the edge
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About the turns in Jerome....It was like the bike was doing all the work. Glad I was riding in a group, might have pushed the turns a lot harder than I did. Bike can handle it, just don't know if I could. As I ride the bike more I'm learning it will ALWAYS have capabilities above how far I'm willing to push the edge
Now you know why the bike was named "King of the Alps" in 2007 against some tough competition

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Speaking of the "King of the Alps" . . . John Hermann (THE King of the Alps) just bought a R1200R in San Diego. I actually bought the bike he was looking for before he had the chance to snap it up. I don't think he was too upset.
I don't like the look of the fairings on a bike, in general. The RT doesn't look bad, but it's just not my style. The naked look of the R1200R is awesome without the hard bags, and when I want to tour I simply attach the side bags and top bag. My wife loves the backrest on the top bag, and we both love being able to take a weekend's worth of clothes / accessories with us without having to wear a backpack.
As for performance, you will be SHOCKED what the new 2011 R1200R motor can do. With both of us and fully loaded bags, we were doing ... oh let's say well above the posted limit on a major interstate (staying with the flow of traffic, of course) and the bike wasn't even breathing hard. Smooth, revvy, fun.
As previously warned, if you test drive the 2011 R1200R, chances are good you'll be headed to the bank for a loan.

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I did the r1200rt over the r1200r for all the goodies. Its a complete sport touring bike I,m 6 even the balance on the r1200rt is perfect and low center of weight. Its not top heavy at all. My pals HD 1200 sportster is really top heavy and weighs more than my loaded r1200rt. This r1200rt is a easy to ride starter bike or push it and it corners. My pal drives a honda 250cc rebel and he says the r1200rt handles better than his starter bike! I live in OHIO and the flaring,heated seats and handlebars keeps me riding into DEC. I just got rid of my bare bones Motto-Guzzi V7 roadster.
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I can't speak to the RT but I bought a 2007 R1200R last December and I love it. I also have a 2000 K1200LT. I knew what I was getting with the R1200R, naked bike with the boxer. And I love it. It is hot where I am 6 months out of the year but I even ride it in the winter. I just dress for the cold. My first BMW was a 78 R100S. We got the LT because my wife was not comfortable on the RT we tried but really liked the comfort of the LT. I still wanted back on a boxer and when I found the R I jumped on it. I bought it from a fellow 600 miles away just from the pictures. I had tested a 2010 and knew I wanted it. So what the others have said is true. Test ride at your own risk.

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I had a K1200GT and a K1200LT both of which I thought were great bikes, but I test rode a 2012 R1200R and WOW! I also have an R1200GS that I love and would never give up, so I had not given the R1200R the chance, but once I rode it I had to have it. Yes the GT is faster, but the R is quick and so stable and fun to ride.

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Hi All,

I test drove a R1200RT and it was great, however a bit slow for me.. So, I discarded the R1200R as an option.. But I just read a review saying how fast and zippy the new R1200R is (2006+).. Does anyone have any experience with this? I thought it was the same engine?? I know the R1200RT is heavier, but could it be THAT much heavier?? Is the engine different or setup different?

I love the look it, and I'm concerned about wind protection, but I imagine there are some good windshields out there?
Try revving the engine over 5k if you want the RT to go.
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I've posted several times in this post already, last one being in May. I still have my 2011 R1200R and still can't get enough time in to ride it. I bought the bike the end of April 2011 and have just passed thru 13,600 miles. It still as much fun as the day I bought it. I can tell you how great it is all day long but until you ride one, you'll never know. Stop typing and go ride one. Take your checkbook, you're going to need it

Its Friday night about 8:30 at night, I'm headed out for a ride right now

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Hi All

I have both a 2010 RT and a 2011 R, bikes should be more similar, but in truth they are worlds apart. My ownership experience as follows;

R1200R is a perfect summer `solo' bike that can be ridden on those shorter day rides with friends, the bike is a fairly raw, yet refined. It remains fun, reasonably quick and an unexpected canyon carver. Downside is that at 5'9" my knees become sore after 3 or 4 hours of riding (not prepared to lower footpegs at the sake of ground clearance).

R1200RT is an unbelievable `2 up tourer', comfortable, quick and a natural handling bike that will keep sportsbikes honest. Weather protection is fantastic (be it too good for our hot Australian summers). I rode 1,012 km (600 miles) last Monday returning from World Super Bikes Philip Island. The ride took 13 hours (mostly in heavy rain), I can't begin to say how impressed I was with this bike.

In short if I could only have one motorcycle it would be the R1200RT.

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How is the R wind protection with a touring windscreen ?

I have the new F800GT, but miss the comfort of the RT I traded for it.

Thoughts ?
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How is the R wind protection with a touring windscreen ?

I have the new F800GT, but miss the comfort of the RT I traded for it.

Thoughts ?
It depends on the windscreen. The BMW touring screen did nothing for me, and simply pushed the buffeting up to the middle of my helmet. It gives no weather protection at all.
I tried several others and ended up with the CalSci tall screen that worked pretty well. I still traded it for my current RT, and it also has the CalSci screen for the RT which works much better for the than the OEM screen. Quiet and no buffet.

You will still not have the weather protection that the RT gives, regardless of what you do to the RR. I loved my RR, but in the end, the RT is much better for my usage at this point. You will also discover rather quickly, as a lot of us did, that you will spend essentially the cost of an RT trying to get the the RR to give you the same capabilities, and still not have the RT comfort.

If you are interested, here is the complete blog about the RR, ending with the RT and its upgrades up to present time.

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Thanks for the link and information.

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I've put 82,000 of the 87,000 miles on my 2007 RT (bought with 5k on in 2009) which is the best bike I have ever owned, it does everything and still keeps me grinning.
As mentioned, if I had to have only one bike, th RT12 would be it.

However, I have had a loan R1200r around 4 time for a total of maybe 10 days.

It is my intention to keep my R12RT and purchase a 2007 R12r, best of both worlds.
For me in the UK, the unfaired r would not get to much use in winter, but come summer that's when it will be of most use to me.

I do really enjoy the R12r on the smaller twisty B roads of Britain and I hope to enjoy the D roads of France on one next year.
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I never remember my dreams, but one dream I do remember is buying another R1200R. I had a 2008 to compliment my 05 LT and they were great to have together. LT for long distance and two up riding. R for around town and short day trips. Long story made short, sold LT in anticipation of buying the K1600. The LT sold real fast. So I ended up riding to the MOA rally in Bloomsburg from NC. I discovered the R bike just did not meet my needs for a long distance bike (I am an old fart). Then I test drove the K1600, was disappointed and ended up buying an 2010 RT. I sold the R thinking it was not much different from the RT and I am sorry I sold it. The R is not all that much lighter than the RT (about 60 lbs, I think), but man did it handle better. Not so much weight up top, more sporty steering geometry. I still wish I had the R for local and short day trips. If you test ride one, you will fall in love.

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I guess I am an Old Fogey. I am constantly amazed at people who say a bike seems underpowered to them. I had a buddy who came by the house in 1975 on his brand new R90 and let me drive it. I had to hang on for dear life and it seemed way more power than I needed. But, this comes from a guy that drove old British bikes and VW's, including a 1960 camper bus with a 40HP engine. In 1979 I commuted year round on a Yamaha 350 single and it remains as the bike with the fondest memories for me... rain, snow, handlebars, mileage, everything. I don't think about the power of my 1150 RT at all, for it has everything I need in a bike (including the satisfaction I feel when passing a group of Harleys at 100 mph out on the highway). Of course it is a matter of different strokes... I am just happy to be satisfied with every bike I ride when it comes to the power involved. I can sit flat footed with my RT, so I guess that makes a difference. Still, I find myself admireing so many bikes out there. Seems to be that one should always go for the bike that catches your fancy, and comfort. Sure wish that women were as easy.

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Well it's done.
95,000 now on my 2007 RT12, and there's a 15,000 mile 2007 R12r parked next to it in the garage now.
Best of both worlds? I think so.
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I have got 98000 kilometers on my 05 1200rt, have her 4 years no trouble, did you have any trouble with yours? I have herd a few stories of the 07 ones.
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No, not really. A couple of Final drive bearings.
Covered by extended was the only major things that needed looking at.
She's still going well really.
Probably do another 95,000 miles I suspect.

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Oh well, spoke to soon. The RT won't do another 96000 miles not due to its reliability but due to rider error. I lowsided the old girl on the Grimsal Pass and I fear damaged beyond economical repair.Snapped front fork, bent the other, egg shaped front wheel, road sanded down the RH side.
So looks like the 12r will be pressed into service this winter. Heated jacket and gloves at the ready.
In fact when I had the choice of spending a day on either RT or R, I generally would pick the R. I love the lighter ride and ease of moving the bike about. Also noticed its better on fuel than my RT for some reason. The lower FD ratio combined with less weight is a lot of fun.
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Oh well, spoke to soon. The RT won't do another 96000 miles not due to its reliability but due to rider error. I lowsided the old girl on the Grimsal Pass and I fear damaged beyond economical repair.Snapped front fork, bent the other, egg shaped front wheel, road sanded down the RH side.
So looks like the 12r will be pressed into service this winter. Heated jacket and gloves at the ready.
In fact when I had the choice of spending a day on either RT or R, I generally would pick the R. I love the lighter ride and ease of moving the bike about. Also noticed its better on fuel than my RT for some reason. The lower FD ratio combined with less weight is a lot of fun.
Thinking about the 2015 LC version now.
Yikes! Hope you're OK. The bike can be replaced, you, not so much!

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